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Donnie did try to get pick 5 BEFORE the draft and WOULD have taken Rubio
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6/29/2009  9:29 PM
i wanted Rubio but i'm glad MIN passed on that deal... i can't believe Donnie would offer up Chandler & the #8 for Rubio, that's way too much IMHO.
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6/30/2009  12:30 AM
I wonder, did he also offer that deal to Washington, and if so, why did Washington take the Miller/Foye deal instead?
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6/30/2009  1:13 AM
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6/30/2009  7:26 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I wonder, did he also offer that deal to Washington, and if so, why did Washington take the Miller/Foye deal instead?

No, that is where he messed up. I see his point though. He didn't want to chance giving up Chandler and taking back a contract post 2010 for the #5 not knowing if Rubio would be there. In hindsight though, I think it was a great risk worth taking as one of Curry or Rubio would be there and we could always get value for the #8 pick if we chose. Really odd that Washington moved the pick before the draft. They could have been the one holding Rubio and gotten back better than Roye, which wasn't so great to begin with imo.
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6/30/2009  8:42 AM
here is how Knick fans judge the GM:
Take every trade in the NBA and every player drafted. Assume that we could have made that trade or drafted that player. Assume our GM is inept for not doing so.
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6/30/2009  9:19 AM
Posted by fishmike:

here is how Knick fans judge the GM:
Take every trade in the NBA and every player drafted. Assume that we could have made that trade or drafted that player. Assume our GM is inept for not doing so.

Yup.

Do some of these feelings may also comes from being in the same town as a the Yankees, who are seemingly able to get almost any free agent they target? Free agency is the Yankees "draft." The actual MLB draft is a true crapshoot, so they let other teams draft and develop players, then when they are in their prime the Yankees can buy them not having to worry about a salary cap.

The Knicks could have ended up with a number of decent players if we had not traded draft picks for players who ended up disappointing us.
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6/30/2009  9:40 AM
the Knicks make that trade for five, Minnesota probably trades up to two or four and gets him anyway
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6/30/2009  10:02 AM
That is a good trade for the wolves they were asleep at the wheel on that one. Chandler and Terrance Williams would have looked good next to Jefferson, they still could have got flynn and then packaged brewer/love for something good.
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6/30/2009  10:06 AM
He didn't offer Chandler to Washington and was trying to offer them the Mobley deal, cash and Hughes. When the Wizards got tired of waiting for Chandler to be added, they made the other trade. Walsh blew the draft.
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6/30/2009  10:28 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

He didn't offer Chandler to Washington and was trying to offer them the Mobley deal, cash and Hughes. When the Wizards got tired of waiting for Chandler to be added, they made the other trade. Walsh blew the draft.

Well we couldve had Rubio or Curry. Thabeet Griffin were going 1-2 so just do the math. Whoever did the Knicks mock didnt work hard enough.
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6/30/2009  10:50 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He didn't offer Chandler to Washington and was trying to offer them the Mobley deal, cash and Hughes. When the Wizards got tired of waiting for Chandler to be added, they made the other trade. Walsh blew the draft.

Well we couldve had Rubio or Curry. Thabeet Griffin were going 1-2 so just do the math. Whoever did the Knicks mock didnt work hard enough.
Rubio falling to 5 was a suprise. Also Chandler is 22, plays above the rim and if last season wasnt a break out season is ready to have one.

I like Curry a lot but I would rather Hill and Chandler than Stephen Curry. If traded Chandler for the 5th pick and DIDNT get Rubio I think this draft would be a total failure. 6 weeks ago Curry wasnt in the lottery because he was a 6'3 shooting guard with limited PG skills, no rebounding and a defensive liability. Now we are upset we didnt give up our best young player to trade up for him?

The Knicks need players. Hill, Chandler and Douglas are 3 two way athletic players that fit perfectly in MDAs system. Stephen Curry is only one.

DW didnt roll the dice to get Rubio and it cost him a shot at a star player (potentially). The fall back to that plan would have been Curry, and thats not good enough.

In a year in a half DW has dumped most of Isiah's worst contracts and set us up to be players in the biggest FA class of all time. Add to that he's brought in a winning coach and added (or featured) players that fit or will fit to his style in Douglas, Chandler, Gallinari, Hill and Darko.

Let keep this in perspective
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6/30/2009  10:51 AM
Posted by fishmike:

here is how Knick fans judge the GM:
Take every trade in the NBA and every player drafted. Assume that we could have made that trade or drafted that player. Assume our GM is inept for not doing so.

personally i think him offering up Wilson & the #8 for Rubio wasn't all that smart to begin with... would u have been happy if MIN accepted that offer?
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6/30/2009  10:54 AM
How do you know Donnie did that? Just b/c a newspaper said Donnie did, with no direct quotes from Donnie himself?

We don't know anything besides the speculation and who we actually drafted.
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6/30/2009  10:57 AM
i'm just saying, if the article is true then i'm glad MIN rejected that offer... Chandler & the #8 for Rubio is too much IMO.
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6/30/2009  11:03 AM
I know you're just saying. Personally, whether it was offered and Minny rejected it, or if the rumor is false, I'm glad it didn't happen. That would have been a dumb trade. Heck, I wasn't even in love with us giving up JUST Wilson to DC for the #5.

I'm happy we ended up with what we got.
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6/30/2009  11:24 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:

here is how Knick fans judge the GM:
Take every trade in the NBA and every player drafted. Assume that we could have made that trade or drafted that player. Assume our GM is inept for not doing so.

personally i think him offering up Wilson & the #8 for Rubio wasn't all that smart to begin with... would u have been happy if MIN accepted that offer?
TMS I dont know. For Rubio I would have to say yes. We are always talking about getting a star and Rubio has star upside. I think Curry is going to be a good player but I would NOT do that trade for Curry. Especially after getting Douglas who has a similar skill set and is an elite defender (Curry's biggest knock).

If trading for the 5th pick was to take Curry OR Rubio (whoever is available) than I would say NO, because thats way to much to give up for Curry.

If your trading 8 and Chandler for Rubio than I would have to consider that for sure. Very tough call.

I dont see Chandler as a chip. I see him as a 22 year old athletic two way wing player poised to break out and challenge to be a future all star.

When I look at Hill 6'10, Gallo 6'10, Chandler 6'8, Darko 7'0 and Douglas as a group to run for DAntoni I like what I see in a very short time. I think this is a great job by Walsh and we are set up to be players in the biggest FA crop of all time.
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6/30/2009  12:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:

here is how Knick fans judge the GM:
Take every trade in the NBA and every player drafted. Assume that we could have made that trade or drafted that player. Assume our GM is inept for not doing so.

personally i think him offering up Wilson & the #8 for Rubio wasn't all that smart to begin with... would u have been happy if MIN accepted that offer?
TMS I dont know. For Rubio I would have to say yes. We are always talking about getting a star and Rubio has star upside. I think Curry is going to be a good player but I would NOT do that trade for Curry. Especially after getting Douglas who has a similar skill set and is an elite defender (Curry's biggest knock).

If trading for the 5th pick was to take Curry OR Rubio (whoever is available) than I would say NO, because thats way to much to give up for Curry.

If your trading 8 and Chandler for Rubio than I would have to consider that for sure. Very tough call.

I dont see Chandler as a chip. I see him as a 22 year old athletic two way wing player poised to break out and challenge to be a future all star.

When I look at Hill 6'10, Gallo 6'10, Chandler 6'8, Darko 7'0 and Douglas as a group to run for DAntoni I like what I see in a very short time. I think this is a great job by Walsh and we are set up to be players in the biggest FA crop of all time.

I think the deal NY passed on was Chandler Hughes and Cash[without the pick] prior to the draft.
In my book you wouldve walked away with one of Rubio Curry or Evans--of which i wouldve take Curry since Evans was off and we couldve walked out with Curry and Hill for Chandler.
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6/30/2009  12:28 PM
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Posted by eViL:



Or Chandler might gain confidence seeing the fact that Walsh values him enough to not throw him away.
[Edited by - eViL on 06-29-2009 4:27 PM]

So what would you call being traded to Minnesota?

You know, I kinda misinterpreted what was being discussed here and thought Donnie rejected including Chandler in the deal. I think I read through it too fast and maybe mixed it up with some other rumored deal. Egg on my face

In any event, I think the point about Chandler being upset for being included in trade offers could be valid, but it is still not the only way to look at it. These guys use all sorts of stuff for motivation. I hope Chandler comes out and beasts for us. That is, if we don't end up eventually trading him...
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6/30/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
I think the deal NY passed on was Chandler Hughes and Cash[without the pick] prior to the draft.

for all we know WAS may have been the ones to pass on that deal... i mean they did get a nice offer from MIN in Foye & Miller for the #5 pick.
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6/30/2009  1:41 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

He didn't offer Chandler to Washington and was trying to offer them the Mobley deal, cash and Hughes. When the Wizards got tired of waiting for Chandler to be added, they made the other trade. Walsh blew the draft.

And you know this how?
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Donnie did try to get pick 5 BEFORE the draft and WOULD have taken Rubio

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