Posted by martin:


you are going to have to be more specific. The Knicks traded Zbo and Crawford last year. Which teams were going to give up a young prospect and expirings for those guys?

Walsh tried to get Chalmers but another team beat them to it.

Hello... you think Duhon is a better prospect than having cap space in 2010? And you also want to sign Duhon, a career backup, to more than a 2 year deal?

Teams like the LAC, ALT have floundered for years cause all they do is draft high, and it really doesn't work. With young talent you need vets to show them how to play and grow, etc. What you are advocating is that Walsh is not rebuilding to YOUR specs of what rebuilding is. I think Walsh is certainly rebuilding.

what the hell does this mean? Mobley allowed up to get rid of Zbo, who was not in our plans, and now allows the Knicks to add salary in 2010.

Also, I would note that Walsh has repeatedly said that he WOULD add salary to 2010 prior to that year if a good enough deal came around.

Posted by franco12:

I've maintained- and it is nothing more than a belief- that we could have gotten back a lesser player in the crawford trade & a possible pick.

Instead, it is clear that Walsh sacrificed long term development needs for immediate competitiveness with no impact on 2010 cap.

I think I even suggested a trade that might have worked with Miami.

It is this failure to accept a full on suck that keeps us sucking.

Posted by Cosmic:

Rebuilding is a two part process.
First you have to tear down the mess - which is what we did all last year - and will continue to do this summer and all of next season.

The tear down process will largely be completed by July 1st, 2010 - when all those expirings finally expire and we renounce their rights. In that time we've dumped Zach and Crawford for Harrington and Hughes. Those two players were not acquired to be a part of the future they were acquired for financial relief.

Then, is part two, which begins the summer of 2010, which is where you start adding serious pieces to the roster who are actually meant to be here to be a part of the future.

From the Fall of 2010 and beyond is where you add smaller pieces to complete your team but to me that isn't really a part of the rebuilding process that is just business as usual for any NBA team.

It is astounding how many fans are either impatient or just do not understand what this overall process really entails.

1) Tear down the undesirables and gain financial flexibility. (ongoing, to the summer of 2010)

2) Use that new found financial flexibility, and the clean slate roster gained by doing so, to begin building the team from the ground up. (This begins the summer of 2010).

This is why those mumbling about how bad our team is - and wondering what we can add to it to make the playoffs this year - just don't seem to understand the big picture because it is a TWO PART PROCESS.

You have to clean before you can cook and that's what Donnie is doing.

Isiah never bothered to clean first and that's why the meal was always tainted.

Fans, really don't realize how low we were under Laymas. We still think that we were a blockbuster move away from winning. We still seem to beleive in the Isiah Thomas way of making an immediate splash, even though it doesn't work when you don't have assets. We finally have a GM that is ridding us of our funk and replacing it with short term contracts and young players and for some reason we don't like it. We still don't realize that you can't build until you tear down. We are still in the teardown phase. It will take time.

Posted by Pharzeone:

You're now falling into Isiah's Layden syndrome. Blaming Layden long after he turned the roster over. This roster has taken on Walsh's image whatever his plans are. It isn't Isiah's roster anymore with the exception of Curry and Jeffries. I mean are we going to give Isiah's credit for accomplishing what he did with Houston's large contract still looming over his tenture. At some point the buck has to stop being pass and there has to be some form of accountability. I think this was the point of Vescey's article.

Posted by Pharzeone:

You're now falling into Isiah's Layden syndrome. Blaming Layden long after he turned the roster over. This roster has taken on Walsh's image whatever his plans are. It isn't Isiah's roster anymore with the exception of Curry and Jeffries. I mean are we going to give Isiah's credit for accomplishing what he did with Houston's large contract still looming over his tenture. At some point the buck has to stop being pass and there has to be some form of accountability. I think this was the point of Vescey's article.

Posted by martin:


It's funny that the 2 primary guys that are left from the Isiah years are the 2 guys that the Knicks are trying most to rid themselves of. And this is only after 1 year of Walsh. Not bad.

Posted by GKFv2:

Yeah, it's a rebuild. we're not breaking up a good team though. We broke up a crap team and we're trying to make it respectable again. It's going to be a while before we reach the top again but I have faith in Walsh.

BTW, I hate to be a douche but this AnubisADL fellow should be banned soon before I see him ruin this forum just like he did over at RealGM (his handle there was OptimusADL). The guy is hated there by nearly everyone and he tag teams with TrueBlue in annoying everyone there as well. I don't want the same thing to happen here, as this is a respectable forum and a great one at that. Don't let this guy inflict any more damage.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 06-29-2009 3:50 PM]