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6/28/2009  1:53 PM
Posted by McK1:

disagreeing with his stance doesn't make him wrong

agreeing with it, doesn't make it right.
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6/28/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Vecsey is definitely a contrarion and would have written the same article if the Knicks had drafted Jennings. The difference would be the focus would be on immaturity, lack of a consistent jumpshot, and D's lack of a reputation about being a disciplinarian. He is right about what Walsh did with the team last year at the draft but I think Walsh is healthy, settled in, has his guys in place and is following a plan.

I think you nailed it.

And if the Knicks passed on Hill for Jennings he would've gone on waxing poetic about how basketball logic says you never pass on Big for Small and the Jordan Hill was closer to Amare than Chris Wilcox. He gets mad about people comparing Rubio to Pistol based on their scoring averages and then cites someone comparing Jennings to Pistol when Jennings accomplishments in Europe are even fewer.

Vecsey is pure baloney and has always been that.
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Posted by VDesai:
Posted by Ira:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Vecsey is definitely a contrarion and would have written the same article if the Knicks had drafted Jennings. The difference would be the focus would be on immaturity, lack of a consistent jumpshot, and D's lack of a reputation about being a disciplinarian. He is right about what Walsh did with the team last year at the draft but I think Walsh is healthy, settled in, has his guys in place and is following a plan.

I think you nailed it.

And if the Knicks passed on Hill for Jennings he would've gone on waxing poetic about how basketball logic says you never pass on Big for Small and the Jordan Hill was closer to Amare than Chris Wilcox. He gets mad about people comparing Rubio to Pistol based on their scoring averages and then cites someone comparing Jennings to Pistol when Jennings accomplishments in Europe are even fewer.

Vecsey is pure baloney and has always been that.

Exactly Des.
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6/28/2009  1:56 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

disagreeing with his stance doesn't make him wrong

agreeing with it, doesn't make it right.

what is he wrong about?
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6/28/2009  2:20 PM
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6/28/2009  3:28 PM
Well, there really isn't anyone left for Vecsey to complain about outside of Little Jimmy.
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6/28/2009  5:05 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

disagreeing with his stance doesn't make him wrong

agreeing with it, doesn't make it right.

what is he wrong about?

there's a ton wrong with the article, and everyone should be able to spot it.
IN 14 months as Knicks president, Donnie Walsh's claim to fame is erasing two bloated salaries belonging to Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford ($27.4M) from New York's 2010 payroll, therefore giving the team roughly $34M in "additional" cap space to charm a couple collector items whose names escape me to forsake their franchises. The operative word is additional. In all this time, not a single media mope (me, too) ever mentioned the Knicks already were $7M under the cap in 2010 when Walsh superseded Isiah Thomas.

This is the first paragraph, and I won't bother with the rest of the article cause it sucks and contradicts itself all over the place. The Knicks would have been $7M under the cap IF they outright released Nate and Lee.

Curry	11.3
JJ	6.9
Gallo	2.7
Chanler	1.8
Craw	10
Zbo	17.3
Hill	3
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Total	53


What Vescey is suggesting is that Walsh's accomplishment of moving Zbo and Crawford amounts to nothing cause the Knicks would have had $7M is cap space in the year that a TON of free agents are on the market. What he doesn't say is that this is without the contracts of Nate and Lee counting towards the cap. And it is insinuated that the Knicks would be better off keeping Crawford and Zbo as opposed to having a shot at Lebron, Wade, Bosh (even if it is slim these guys sign) or a boatload of other free agents.

That, in a phrase, is crap. And it's only the first paragraph.

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6/28/2009  5:05 PM
Vecsey is wrong about the value of what Walsh has done. You can't just belittle the 34Mil he saved the team for 2010 or the fact that he's gotten rid of useless players on our roster. Walsh has done enough that if he so much as makes one more trade of a cap killer like Curry or Jared, he'll have done a GREAT job and not just a very good job.

His draft makes the possible loss of Lee or Nate less painful, so how was that a bad draft? I also think Hill is more than Wilcox, cuz for one thing he actually blocks shots and plays like he cares. I think MDA will get more out of Hill, Douglas and Milicic than he thinks. MDA has a proven track record of getting more out of guys that have the skills, but haven't been put in the right position to use those skills.
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6/28/2009  6:26 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

disagreeing with his stance doesn't make him wrong

agreeing with it, doesn't make it right.

what is he wrong about?

there's a ton wrong with the article, and everyone should be able to spot it.
IN 14 months as Knicks president, Donnie Walsh's claim to fame is erasing two bloated salaries belonging to Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford ($27.4M) from New York's 2010 payroll, therefore giving the team roughly $34M in "additional" cap space to charm a couple collector items whose names escape me to forsake their franchises. The operative word is additional. In all this time, not a single media mope (me, too) ever mentioned the Knicks already were $7M under the cap in 2010 when Walsh superseded Isiah Thomas.

This is the first paragraph, and I won't bother with the rest of the article cause it sucks and contradicts itself all over the place. The Knicks would have been $7M under the cap IF they outright released Nate and Lee.

Curry	11.3
JJ	6.9
Gallo	2.7
Chanler	1.8
Craw	10
Zbo	17.3
Hill	3
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Total	53


What Vescey is suggesting is that Walsh's accomplishment of moving Zbo and Crawford amounts to nothing cause the Knicks would have had $7M is cap space in the year that a TON of free agents are on the market. What he doesn't say is that this is without the contracts of Nate and Lee counting towards the cap. And it is insinuated that the Knicks would be better off keeping Crawford and Zbo as opposed to having a shot at Lebron, Wade, Bosh (even if it is slim these guys sign) or a boatload of other free agents.

That, in a phrase, is crap. And it's only the first paragraph.

the article isn't about the cap space
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6/28/2009  6:27 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

disagreeing with his stance doesn't make him wrong

agreeing with it, doesn't make it right.

what is he wrong about?

there's a ton wrong with the article, and everyone should be able to spot it.
IN 14 months as Knicks president, Donnie Walsh's claim to fame is erasing two bloated salaries belonging to Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford ($27.4M) from New York's 2010 payroll, therefore giving the team roughly $34M in "additional" cap space to charm a couple collector items whose names escape me to forsake their franchises. The operative word is additional. In all this time, not a single media mope (me, too) ever mentioned the Knicks already were $7M under the cap in 2010 when Walsh superseded Isiah Thomas.

This is the first paragraph, and I won't bother with the rest of the article cause it sucks and contradicts itself all over the place. The Knicks would have been $7M under the cap IF they outright released Nate and Lee.

Curry	11.3
JJ	6.9
Gallo	2.7
Chanler	1.8
Craw	10
Zbo	17.3
Hill	3
-------------
Total	53


What Vescey is suggesting is that Walsh's accomplishment of moving Zbo and Crawford amounts to nothing cause the Knicks would have had $7M is cap space in the year that a TON of free agents are on the market. What he doesn't say is that this is without the contracts of Nate and Lee counting towards the cap. And it is insinuated that the Knicks would be better off keeping Crawford and Zbo as opposed to having a shot at Lebron, Wade, Bosh (even if it is slim these guys sign) or a boatload of other free agents.

That, in a phrase, is crap. And it's only the first paragraph.

the article isn't about the cap space

no ****. it's about crap and crap. don't take away from the fact the first paragraph is wrong.
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6/28/2009  6:33 PM
walsh has already stated he won't jeopardize the 2010 money for Nate and Lee so its not out there to assume he either lets them walk or trades them for contracts that expire after next season.

and he doesn't say nor insinuate we should've kept Craw and Z-Bo till the end of their contracts. Vecsey questions why it was so imperative to move em both 2 seasons prior to 2010. And please don't spew the well Zach could get in trouble and make him untradeable crap. His contract with less money on it would be just as moveable as it was in November.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 6:34 PM]
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6/28/2009  6:34 PM
If Vecesey meets your agenda, to trash the Knicks draft then his article works for you. As I posted earlier he is a contrarian and will always find away to find fault with the current regime in place in the Garden.
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6/28/2009  10:56 PM
Crawford & Randolph were traded for Harrington, Thomas & Mobley.

They all were expected to contribute & help the Knicks make playoffs. When Walsh learned about Mobley's condition though he used that to save money rather then have him play. Harrington averaged 12pts 5rebs, Thomas averaged 10pts 5rebs, Mobley averaged 14pts per game at the time of the trades.

As for Darko, He was traded for Quentin Richardson. This guy is acting like we traded our lottery pick for Darko. He said something about Harrington hurting Chandlers growth yet moving Richardson who plays the same position as Chandler isn't mentioned. Plus that comment is contradictory. On one side he is complaining about making moves that hurt our playoff chances and relying on 2010. Then he complains about having Harrington who was a 20pt scorer because he hurt Chandler's growth which isn't even backed by facts since Chandler still got over 30mins a game.
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6/28/2009  11:01 PM
Also what about swapping Rose for Wilcox which was a brilliant move even though it didn't work out. When you look at what we gave up compared to what we could have potentially gotten. Or packaging Thomas & Jerome James for Larry Hughes which was another good move since we removed a glut at forward and got rid of useless James to fill a need.

Its clear that Walsh made moves to compete for playoffs as well as go for 2010 not just sit and wait for 2010.
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6/28/2009  11:03 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Crawford & Randolph were traded for Harrington, Thomas & Mobley.

They all were expected to contribute & help the Knicks make playoffs. When Walsh learned about Mobley's condition though he used that to save money rather then have him play. Harrington averaged 12pts 5rebs, Thomas averaged 10pts 5rebs, Mobley averaged 14pts per game at the time of the trades.

As for Darko, He was traded for Quentin Richardson. This guy is acting like we traded our lottery pick for Darko. He said something about Harrington hurting Chandlers growth yet moving Richardson who plays the same position as Chandler isn't mentioned. Plus that comment is contradictory. On one side he is complaining about making moves that hurt our playoff chances and relying on 2010. Then he complains about having Harrington who was a 20pt scorer because he hurt Chandler's growth which isn't even backed by facts since Chandler still got over 30mins a game.

not only that but Walsh got RID of both Crawford and ZBo, 2 high volume shooters and only took back Harrington (in terms of high volume offensive players). So how is Harrington hurting Chandler's development in lieu of having both Crawford and Zbo? LOL. And wouldn't have Zbo hurt Lee's and Gallo's development (if Gallo could have played)?
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6/28/2009  11:27 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Crawford & Randolph were traded for Harrington, Thomas & Mobley.

They all were expected to contribute & help the Knicks make playoffs. When Walsh learned about Mobley's condition though he used that to save money rather then have him play. Harrington averaged 12pts 5rebs, Thomas averaged 10pts 5rebs, Mobley averaged 14pts per game at the time of the trades.

As for Darko, He was traded for Quentin Richardson. This guy is acting like we traded our lottery pick for Darko. He said something about Harrington hurting Chandlers growth yet moving Richardson who plays the same position as Chandler isn't mentioned. Plus that comment is contradictory. On one side he is complaining about making moves that hurt our playoff chances and relying on 2010. Then he complains about having Harrington who was a 20pt scorer because he hurt Chandler's growth which isn't even backed by facts since Chandler still got over 30mins a game.

not only that but Walsh got RID of both Crawford and ZBo, 2 high volume shooters and only took back Harrington (in terms of high volume offensive players). So how is Harrington hurting Chandler's development in lieu of having both Crawford and Zbo? LOL. And wouldn't have Zbo hurt Lee's and Gallo's development (if Gallo could have played)?

Martin, logic is not apart of this conversation.
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6/28/2009  11:30 PM
Zach drew doubles in the post freeing up Chandler. I agree Lee suffered.

people **** on Zach but when him Baron and Gordon were on the floor together the Clips won.

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6/28/2009  11:39 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

disagreeing with his stance doesn't make him wrong

agreeing with it, doesn't make it right.

what is he wrong about?

there's a ton wrong with the article, and everyone should be able to spot it.
IN 14 months as Knicks president, Donnie Walsh's claim to fame is erasing two bloated salaries belonging to Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford ($27.4M) from New York's 2010 payroll, therefore giving the team roughly $34M in "additional" cap space to charm a couple collector items whose names escape me to forsake their franchises. The operative word is additional. In all this time, not a single media mope (me, too) ever mentioned the Knicks already were $7M under the cap in 2010 when Walsh superseded Isiah Thomas.

This is the first paragraph, and I won't bother with the rest of the article cause it sucks and contradicts itself all over the place. The Knicks would have been $7M under the cap IF they outright released Nate and Lee.

Curry	11.3
JJ	6.9
Gallo	2.7
Chanler	1.8
Craw	10
Zbo	17.3
Hill	3
-------------
Total	53


What Vescey is suggesting is that Walsh's accomplishment of moving Zbo and Crawford amounts to nothing cause the Knicks would have had $7M is cap space in the year that a TON of free agents are on the market. What he doesn't say is that this is without the contracts of Nate and Lee counting towards the cap. And it is insinuated that the Knicks would be better off keeping Crawford and Zbo as opposed to having a shot at Lebron, Wade, Bosh (even if it is slim these guys sign) or a boatload of other free agents.

That, in a phrase, is crap. And it's only the first paragraph.

the article isn't about the cap space

no ****. it's about crap and crap. don't take away from the fact the first paragraph is wrong.

It's crap about cap.
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6/28/2009  11:51 PM
Posted by McK1:

Zach drew doubles in the post freeing up Chandler. I agree Lee suffered.

people **** on Zach but when him Baron and Gordon were on the floor together the Clips won.

Harrington drew double teams freeing up Chandler. What about Jamal and his jacking? Did that hurt or help Chandler's development?

And I think you just used Clips and wins in the same sentence. I have no clue how many times all 3 guys played together but I do know that LAC won 19 games last year.

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6/28/2009  11:59 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

Zach drew doubles in the post freeing up Chandler. I agree Lee suffered.

people **** on Zach but when him Baron and Gordon were on the floor together the Clips won.

Harrington drew double teams freeing up Chandler. What about Jamal and his jacking? Did that hurt or help Chandler's development?

And I think you just used Clips and wins in the same sentence. I have no clue how many times all 3 guys played together but I do know that LAC won 19 games last year.

they may have played 20-30 games together. they all kept getting hurt.

I recall teams living with the results of Harrington iso's.

I've never thought Crawford brought much positive to the game and Hughes got here at a stage in his career where he brought even less.
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