Posted by Vmart:


Khan is going to be a prick. He should just let Rubio come to NY. He is going to persist on ruining an 18 year old kids dream of playing for the Knicks. I'm sure the Knicks can make a nice offer to meet Khan's needs. Khan should do what is right that is let the Kid come to NY and once Walsh retires he will hand the job over to you. Its a win win Rubio gets to get out of Minn. Khan gets to get out of Minn too.

Walsh and Khan need to make it happen.

Posted by Cosmic:

It's completely unfair and what can be done? They're applying for work in the United States. We damn sure do have control over that.

It's absurd this has been allowed to continue all these years and defending it leaves me speechless.

Posted by franco12:



Wait - how about you let NBA teams pay more than a token $500k towards his buy out. The Turkish team is giving him $2mm towards his buy out.

And why did Kahn pick him and then Flynn? Because he knew Rubio didn't want to go to Minnesota?

Then, Kahn knows the only reason he picked him was to trade him.

Posted by Paladin55:

Everyone is also forgetting Flynn. I assume he has been saying all the right things (haven't seen him speak since the draft, myself), but how do you think HE feels about being drafted with Rubio, and the possibility that he may play SG instead of the position he has always played. "Yeah, Jonny, we really like you as a PG, but we got this other player who may or may not pan out, and as long as we are playing him at PG, you are our SG.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Paladin55:

Everyone is also forgetting Flynn. I assume he has been saying all the right things (haven't seen him speak since the draft, myself), but how do you think HE feels about being drafted with Rubio, and the possibility that he may play SG instead of the position he has always played. "Yeah, Jonny, we really like you as a PG, but we got this other player who may or may not pan out, and as long as we are playing him at PG, you are our SG.

excellent point... obviously MIN was very high on Flynn to take him at #6 because no other team was realistically going to take him in the top 10 if they didn't... he's the guy they probably had pinned as their PG of the future... i highly doubt they took him that high only to tell him, "oh, btw, we're gonna have you & Rubio switching off in our backcourt for the next 3-4 years even though it doesn't make a bit of sense to do it".

taking Rubio was akin to finding a wallet full of money on the sidewalk & picking it up with the knowledge that you'd be searching out the owner of that wallet eventually & expecting some kinda reward out of it... they couldn't just leave Rubio lying there, they had to take him, if for nothing else but to use as a valuable trade chip later... they had to know that getting him to agree to come to MIN would be a risky proposition.

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Paladin55:

Everyone is also forgetting Flynn. I assume he has been saying all the right things (haven't seen him speak since the draft, myself), but how do you think HE feels about being drafted with Rubio, and the possibility that he may play SG instead of the position he has always played. "Yeah, Jonny, we really like you as a PG, but we got this other player who may or may not pan out, and as long as we are playing him at PG, you are our SG.

excellent point... obviously MIN was very high on Flynn to take him at #6 because no other team was realistically going to take him in the top 10 if they didn't... he's the guy they probably had pinned as their PG of the future... i highly doubt they took him that high only to tell him, "oh, btw, we're gonna have you & Rubio switching off in our backcourt for the next 3-4 years even though it doesn't make a bit of sense to do it".

taking Rubio was akin to finding a wallet full of money on the sidewalk & picking it up with the knowledge that you'd be searching out the owner of that wallet eventually & expecting some kinda reward out of it... they couldn't just leave Rubio lying there, they had to take him, if for nothing else but to use as a valuable trade chip later... they had to know that getting him to agree to come to MIN would be a risky proposition.

Would it shock anyone if Khan took Rubio for Walsh. I think a deal is motion and it gets serious once FA starts. There are so many things the Knicks can offer for Rubio and T-wolves players. I hope that Rubio ends up in NY. Its just to ideal a situation for him. A Match made in heaven.

Its really not fair that T-Wolves took Rubio knowing that he wants to play in the NBA and needs to pay for a buyout. That was a dick move by Khan, he knows that playing for T-wolves he won't be able to pay for that huge buyout. Khan did the kid no favors.

Rubio should no way report or play for T-Wolves.

Perhaps...but...with Love and Jefferson do the Wolves really covet David Lee? How much of his salary to they absorb if they do? What trash do we have to take back?

I don't think it's as cut and dry as I once thought in dealing with Minny for Rubio - and then waiting at least 1 season before he can come over (which of course would be fine... 2 would not be fine, however)

We will know much more the end of July 1st I think as I doubt given how rapidly teams made trades prior to the draft - that we will take our time with negotiations. I think they begin IMMEDIATELY with Nate, Lee, and potential S&Ts.

Posted by Cosmic:

This is just one reason to pass on European players and also why Minny took Flynn right after him as insurance.

I'm sorry...but something HAS to be done about european draft eligibility. If you put your name into the draft whatever you sign allowing this must work as a contract binding you by law to report to the NBA team that drafts you. If you don't report you should face massive fines that will either force these players to report or force them to decide against entering the draft.

It is terribly unfair for the teams who burn picks on them to be spurned so easily. These guys see where they are drafted and by who and if they either go too low or not to a team they want they just turn around and stay in Europe.

Another thing: If they are still under contract in Europe - regardless of a buyout situation - they should be barred from entering the draft. It should be for legit FAs ONLY!

Posted by raven:


LOL, nice one!
What about laws to prevent nba players to carry guns and shoot at ppl? Laws against them fighting against normal guys or raping girls left and right?
That's unfair to teams who drafted them too!

Look, all teams knew what would happen. Rubio would have to pay a lot of money to play in a ****ty place like Min. Rubio knew it, the Timberwolves knew it but they decided to play it tough like they were not affraid. It backfired to them and now only thing they can do is cry. I'm not sad for them, had them let Rubio slip and taken Curry, they would've had a nice player to trade and Rubio would be playing for us, and all would be better for everybody.

Min GM wanted to make a splash, I guess in a way, it worked.

Posted by Paladin55:

The reason we are all speculating is that if he took Rubio and Flynn with no intention on moving either of them, it makes no basketball sense at all given the fact that he could have taken a guy like DeRozan to fill his SG slot, or even traded the 6 to the Knicks, who would have taken Curry, while still being able to get a SG at 8.

that's exactly why i have a feeling he had a prearranged deal in place for Rubio... just doesn't make any sense otherwise cuz like u just said, he could have easily traded down & still got Flynn later on, or simply taken someone like Derozan at #5 if they were already set on taking Flynn w/their pick.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Paladin55:

Everyone is also forgetting Flynn. I assume he has been saying all the right things (haven't seen him speak since the draft, myself), but how do you think HE feels about being drafted with Rubio, and the possibility that he may play SG instead of the position he has always played. "Yeah, Jonny, we really like you as a PG, but we got this other player who may or may not pan out, and as long as we are playing him at PG, you are our SG.

excellent point... obviously MIN was very high on Flynn to take him at #6 because no other team was realistically going to take him in the top 10 if they didn't... he's the guy they probably had pinned as their PG of the future... i highly doubt they took him that high only to tell him, "oh, btw, we're gonna have you & Rubio switching off in our backcourt for the next 3-4 years even though it doesn't make a bit of sense to do it".

taking Rubio was akin to finding a wallet full of money on the sidewalk & picking it up with the knowledge that you'd be searching out the owner of that wallet eventually & expecting some kinda reward out of it... they couldn't just leave Rubio lying there, they had to take him, if for nothing else but to use as a valuable trade chip later... they had to know that getting him to agree to come to MIN would be a risky proposition.

Would it shock anyone if Khan took Rubio for Walsh. I think a deal is motion and it gets serious once FA starts. There are so many things the Knicks can offer for Rubio and T-wolves players. I hope that Rubio ends up in NY. Its just to ideal a situation for him. A Match made in heaven.

Its really not fair that T-Wolves took Rubio knowing that he wants to play in the NBA and needs to pay for a buyout. That was a dick move by Khan, he knows that playing for T-wolves he won't be able to pay for that huge buyout. Khan did the kid no favors.

Rubio should no way report or play for T-Wolves.

Perhaps...but...with Love and Jefferson do the Wolves really covet David Lee? How much of his salary to they absorb if they do? What trash do we have to take back?

I don't think it's as cut and dry as I once thought in dealing with Minny for Rubio - and then waiting at least 1 season before he can come over (which of course would be fine... 2 would not be fine, however)

We will know much more the end of July 1st I think as I doubt given how rapidly teams made trades prior to the draft - that we will take our time with negotiations. I think they begin IMMEDIATELY with Nate, Lee, and potential S&Ts.

I think they would covet D Lee for the simple reason that Jefferson is recovering from Knee injury. Lee can give them solid play at PF/C Helping Minn cut back some of Jeffersons minutes while he recovers fully from his surgery. So yes I think D. Lee has a slot on the T-Wolves team. I'm still holding out hope that the Knicks can get a deal done with the T-Wolves, Am I in for a dissapointemnt most likely but like I said before if Rubio was one of the main targets in the draft then they have to get him. This draft is a little dissapointing for me. I like the fact they got Hill but the goal was to get the 5 and 8th pick and that left an bad taste in the mouth when they weren't able to get the deal done with Washington.

Here is an opportunity for Walsh to get his target sure it might cost a little more than what the Wizards were asking for but this move of getting Rubio is for the future of the Knicks and its that kind of move that gets the Knicks in the winning direction. I liken this situation to getting Eli Manning for the Giants. This is something the Knicks have to get done, if they are going to be serious contenders in the future. I think they have to get this deal done with the Wolves.

I truely believe that this is the point of change for the Knicks. This is the move that changes the NYk culture, I hope that Walsh sees it as that. If Walsh can get Rubio now it will give me more confidence going into 2010.

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Paladin55:

Everyone is also forgetting Flynn. I assume he has been saying all the right things (haven't seen him speak since the draft, myself), but how do you think HE feels about being drafted with Rubio, and the possibility that he may play SG instead of the position he has always played. "Yeah, Jonny, we really like you as a PG, but we got this other player who may or may not pan out, and as long as we are playing him at PG, you are our SG.

excellent point... obviously MIN was very high on Flynn to take him at #6 because no other team was realistically going to take him in the top 10 if they didn't... he's the guy they probably had pinned as their PG of the future... i highly doubt they took him that high only to tell him, "oh, btw, we're gonna have you & Rubio switching off in our backcourt for the next 3-4 years even though it doesn't make a bit of sense to do it".

taking Rubio was akin to finding a wallet full of money on the sidewalk & picking it up with the knowledge that you'd be searching out the owner of that wallet eventually & expecting some kinda reward out of it... they couldn't just leave Rubio lying there, they had to take him, if for nothing else but to use as a valuable trade chip later... they had to know that getting him to agree to come to MIN would be a risky proposition.

Would it shock anyone if Khan took Rubio for Walsh. I think a deal is motion and it gets serious once FA starts. There are so many things the Knicks can offer for Rubio and T-wolves players. I hope that Rubio ends up in NY. Its just to ideal a situation for him. A Match made in heaven.

Its really not fair that T-Wolves took Rubio knowing that he wants to play in the NBA and needs to pay for a buyout. That was a dick move by Khan, he knows that playing for T-wolves he won't be able to pay for that huge buyout. Khan did the kid no favors.

Rubio should no way report or play for T-Wolves.

Kahn should have taken Curry if he wanted a projected PG to play SG, at least Curry is suited for the position. Maybe he thought that Curry would drop down to his former mentor, and did not anticipate that GS would take him- otherwise he seemingly thought that Flynn was a better SG or future PG than Curry.

The reason we are all speculating is that if he took Rubio and Flynn with no intention on moving either of them, it makes no basketball sense at all given the fact that he could have taken a guy like DeRozan to fill his SG slot, or even traded the 6 to the Knicks, who would have taken Curry, while still being able to get a SG at 8.

But ah, you forget the obvious. The T-Wolves were not high on DeRozan. They scheduled a last minute workout for him but he canceled the workout. So why would a team say great let's draft him anyways. They didn't like the SG prospects past Evans.