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6/26/2009  12:53 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Chandler & the #8 pick for Stephen Curry woulda been a boneheaded trade to make for Donnie Walsh IMO.

chandler is crummy. hill is crummy. curry is a potential star in this league.
Warriors Can't Imagine Trading Curry Now

Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST
According to Matt Steinmetz, who covers the Warriors, Larry Riley is not expecting Stephen Curry to go anywhere. Riley indicated that he can't see a scenario in which he is traded and that he hopes he remains with the Warriors for 10 years.

"We drafted him to play here," said Riley.
Hill was rated in the top 5 all year. Curry was in the 20s. Only when Curry had some good workouts and didnt turn out to be the 5'11 170 that everyone thought did he shoot up. I loved him for the jump shot and the BB IQ and the pedigree but he wasnt available. Knicks got the BPA who was rated much higher than 8. He also fills a need and was the first choice of MDA. Remember, Walsh wanted Curry, but MDA wanted Hill.
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6/26/2009  1:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:
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Chandler & the #8 pick for Stephen Curry woulda been a boneheaded trade to make for Donnie Walsh IMO.

chandler is crummy. hill is crummy. curry is a potential star in this league.
Warriors Can't Imagine Trading Curry Now

Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST
According to Matt Steinmetz, who covers the Warriors, Larry Riley is not expecting Stephen Curry to go anywhere. Riley indicated that he can't see a scenario in which he is traded and that he hopes he remains with the Warriors for 10 years.

"We drafted him to play here," said Riley.
Hill was rated in the top 5 all year. Curry was in the 20s. Only when Curry had some good workouts and didnt turn out to be the 5'11 170 that everyone thought did he shoot up. I loved him for the jump shot and the BB IQ and the pedigree but he wasnt available. Knicks got the BPA who was rated much higher than 8. He also fills a need and was the first choice of MDA. Remember, Walsh wanted Curry, but MDA wanted Hill.

MDA said in his interview he wanted Curry. He said "i better not say who i wanted."
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6/26/2009  1:48 PM
Its funny how everybody bought all the hype the media sold us about Curry. By this Im not saying he isn't a good player nor that he wouldn't have been a welcomed addition. But just a month ago most here weren't high on Curry, some actually to the point that they said would be frustrated if the best the Knicks could come up with was him at 8th. Another undersized SG, some said.

Then the hype began and he suddenly wasn't only a great shooter, which he is, but he was now a true point guard and exactly what the Knicks needed to run Mike D's system. Everytime they discussed the Knicks, they mentioned Curry. So most bought it and made up their mind, Curry now expected to be a star in the league.

Now, since we got Hill, the draft was a complete failure for the Knicks? Gimme a freaking break! This is ridiculous. We wanted Curry but we also wanted Rubio and Hill. The fact that we came out with one is great. Curry was taken before us so you can't regret anything. Trading Chandler and #8 for #6? Insane!


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6/26/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Its funny how everybody bought all the hype the media sold us about Curry. By this Im not saying he isn't a good player nor that he wouldn't have been a welcomed addition. But just a month ago most here weren't high on Curry, some actually to the point that they said would be frustrated if the best the Knicks could come up with was him at 8th. Another undersized SG, some said.

Then the hype began and he suddenly wasn't only a great shooter, which he is, but he was now a true point guard and exactly what the Knicks needed to run Mike D's system. Everytime they discussed the Knicks, they mentioned Curry. So most bought it and made up their mind, Curry now expected to be a star in the league.

Now, since we got Hill, the draft was a complete failure for the Knicks? Gimme a freaking break! This is ridiculous. We wanted Curry but we also wanted Rubio and Hill. The fact that we came out with one is great. Curry was taken before us so you can't regret anything. Trading Chandler and #8 for #6? Insane!



I don't think the draft is a waste and we will never know if we blew a chance to move up. If they wanted Curry or Rubio that bad--imho pick 8 Chandler and Hughes is a much better offer than just Foye and Miller. I don't think we gave that offer.

Also Hill is not a bad pick--would he have gone int he first round last year--NO or atleast unlikely. Did Hill dominate guys like Taj Gibson Pendegraph Earl Clark? No Was his team 18-14? yes

So he certainly isnt a prize but I think he could help--he can rebound and score--but we will have to wait and see. Hopefully there is upside surprise--that is what I hope for. The draft wasnt that great and 8 was a bad spot for what we were interested in.
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6/26/2009  2:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Its funny how everybody bought all the hype the media sold us about Curry. By this Im not saying he isn't a good player nor that he wouldn't have been a welcomed addition. But just a month ago most here weren't high on Curry, some actually to the point that they said would be frustrated if the best the Knicks could come up with was him at 8th. Another undersized SG, some said.

Then the hype began and he suddenly wasn't only a great shooter, which he is, but he was now a true point guard and exactly what the Knicks needed to run Mike D's system. Everytime they discussed the Knicks, they mentioned Curry. So most bought it and made up their mind, Curry now expected to be a star in the league.

Now, since we got Hill, the draft was a complete failure for the Knicks? Gimme a freaking break! This is ridiculous. We wanted Curry but we also wanted Rubio and Hill. The fact that we came out with one is great. Curry was taken before us so you can't regret anything. Trading Chandler and #8 for #6? Insane!



I don't think the draft is a waste and we will never know if we blew a chance to move up. If they wanted Curry or Rubio that bad--imho pick 8 Chandler and Hughes is a much better offer than just Foye and Miller. I don't think we gave that offer.

Also Hill is not a bad pick--would he have gone int he first round last year--NO or atleast unlikely. Did Hill dominate guys like Taj Gibson Pendegraph Earl Clark? No Was his team 18-14? yes

So he certainly isnt a prize but I think he could help--he can rebound and score--but we will have to wait and see. Hopefully there is upside surprise--that is what I hope for. The draft wasnt that great and 8 was a bad spot for what we were interested in.

Thats a reach, Briggs. While the top 10 on the draft may not have been full with star talent, nobody really questions the fact that most of this players were solid first rounders. To say Hill wouldn't have been a first round last year, even with that strong draft, is way off. Like if you said Griffin would've been a bottom first rounder.

But I agree that it was a solid pick and this one has a chance to be one of those picks that was undervalued but ends up being a very good player. Many are sleeping too much on this kid, but I think this guy will be a good pick by the Knicks at the end, while many overhyped players will fall hard.


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6/26/2009  2:23 PM
LOL @ Stephen Curry being a superstar now. Man, some people really need to get off the guys nuts.
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6/26/2009  2:35 PM
4 weeks ago, Curry was a reach at 8... yesterday we shoulda traded up to get him... today he's worthy of a #8 & our best young player on the roster... at this rate he'll be better than Magic Johnson by next week.
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6/26/2009  3:11 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
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Its funny how everybody bought all the hype the media sold us about Curry. By this Im not saying he isn't a good player nor that he wouldn't have been a welcomed addition. But just a month ago most here weren't high on Curry, some actually to the point that they said would be frustrated if the best the Knicks could come up with was him at 8th. Another undersized SG, some said.

Then the hype began and he suddenly wasn't only a great shooter, which he is, but he was now a true point guard and exactly what the Knicks needed to run Mike D's system. Everytime they discussed the Knicks, they mentioned Curry. So most bought it and made up their mind, Curry now expected to be a star in the league.

Now, since we got Hill, the draft was a complete failure for the Knicks? Gimme a freaking break! This is ridiculous. We wanted Curry but we also wanted Rubio and Hill. The fact that we came out with one is great. Curry was taken before us so you can't regret anything. Trading Chandler and #8 for #6? Insane!



I don't think the draft is a waste and we will never know if we blew a chance to move up. If they wanted Curry or Rubio that bad--imho pick 8 Chandler and Hughes is a much better offer than just Foye and Miller. I don't think we gave that offer.

Also Hill is not a bad pick--would he have gone int he first round last year--NO or atleast unlikely. Did Hill dominate guys like Taj Gibson Pendegraph Earl Clark? No Was his team 18-14? yes

So he certainly isnt a prize but I think he could help--he can rebound and score--but we will have to wait and see. Hopefully there is upside surprise--that is what I hope for. The draft wasnt that great and 8 was a bad spot for what we were interested in.

Thats a reach, Briggs. While the top 10 on the draft may not have been full with star talent, nobody really questions the fact that most of this players were solid first rounders. To say Hill wouldn't have been a first round last year, even with that strong draft, is way off. Like if you said Griffin would've been a bottom first rounder.

But I agree that it was a solid pick and this one has a chance to be one of those picks that was undervalued but ends up being a very good player. Many are sleeping too much on this kid, but I think this guy will be a good pick by the Knicks at the end, while many overhyped players will fall hard.



Knicksfan--Jordan Hill improved this year. Take a hard hard look at last years draft and tell me he couldnt find himself being pick 35-40. Kosta Koufus went 24 Darrel Arthur went 28 Jordan went 34-35. He improved and came out at the right time. He's not a bad pick--i think he's a very decent pick in a porous draft. I think there was going to be some let down with Curry going 7 and some other aspects. I think the draft was a B- an 82/100. I wouldve taken Blair at 29 no matter what was promised or how we play--there is no way he shouldve fell that far--even if I didnt ultimately keep him. His value--to me was 15
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6/26/2009  3:32 PM
Briggs: Where would David Lee have been drafted in 2004 (the year before he was drafted)? Can you tell us where each Knick would have been drafted the year before they came into the NBA. You seem to know a lot about this very important topic.

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6/26/2009  5:46 PM
Why can't we just be happy about keeping Wilson Chandler? I guess some people don't like the guy. I personally think he'll be a very good player, but what do I know?
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6/26/2009  10:01 PM
Nbadraftnet also thinks the Knicks had a good draft.


A- Pick:
(8th) Jordan Hill The fans booed, but Hill is a great value here, a true power forward who is an upgrade from Al Harrington at the position. He's got the ability to become an absolute stud, and at the least should be a poor man's Jermaine O'Neal. The Darko Milicic trade was nice, though not included in the grade
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6/27/2009  7:38 AM
Yahoo sports:

WINNER: New York Knicks

So Don Nelson did as expected and stole Stephen Curry for Golden State one slot ahead of the Knicks, sending fans attending the draft into mourning.

But New York survived, taking 6-10 athlete Jordan Hill from Arizona. They later traded for Darko Milicic(notes) and picked up the Lakers’ pick of Florida State guard Toney Douglas, who was a bit of a late-round steal.

You never know who will work out in the draft, but it’s clear the Knicks are building their team around Mike D’Antoni’s offensive system. They have an actual plan, which was missing most of the last decade at MSG.



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6/27/2009  7:40 AM
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Winners—New York Knickerbockers, Chicago Bulls, and Oklahoma City Thunder

The Knicks added a superb athlete in Jordan Hill and an unstoppable scoring machine in Tony Douglas. Add to this the trade for Darko Milicic, and you have the first A-plus of the draft day.

And to think, the Knick fans were actually going to sacrifice all of this to get B.J. Armstrong. Excuse me, Stephen Curry

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NBA.com

Winners

Clippers: Gotta start with the Los Angeles team that didn't win the title. Sure, giving them kudos for the obvious choice of Blake Griffin seems like an easy way out, but considering the luck of this franchise in lotteries past, getting a building-block power forward is more than solid.

Sacramento: The Kings picked up 6-foot-5 point guard Tyreke Evans (No. 4) to pair with Kevin Martin in the backcourt and Israeli small forward Omar Casspi (23). The 21-year-old Casspi was thought to be a second-round talent not long ago, but he moved up a number of boards in recent weeks.

Tyler Hansbrough: Thought to be going in the late teens or the 20s, the North Carolina senior went 13th to Indiana. The hard-working power forward likely won't be a star, but he knows how to play the game and figures to be a contributor as a rookie. Stay in school, kids.

New York: The Knicks didn't get Stephen Curry, but they were high on Jordan Hill. The 6-foot-10 power forward from Arizona loves to run the floor, which make him a natural for Mike D'Antoni. What does that mean for David Lee?

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Sporting News:

8. New York
Jordan Hill, PF, Arizona
In the European-style system the Knicks have adopted, Hill might not be a bad fit. He is skilled, certainly, and he’s a fine athlete for his position. He is not a killer. The prototypical power forward has been somebody willing and able to tear some heads off—like a Paul Silas—but the Cavaliers won the overall No. 1 playoff seed with Anderson Varejao playing soft. It can work for the Knicks. (Eventually.) (If they get LeBron, or somebody like him.)

29. L.A. Lakers
Toney Douglas, G, Florida State
Traded to New York
The Lakers made the pick for their old friends the New York Knicks, and the Knicks spent it wisely. Douglas is a complete guard who performs with maturity and can play either backcourt position, although he may be a bit small for the wing. He could be a distributor or an explosive, fill-it-up scorer, depending on what his team needs. He may prove to be one of the best bargains in this draft.
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6/27/2009  7:57 AM
Most sites picked us as a winner or at worst not mentioned. The only sites that picked us as losers were those that focus on how we missed out on all 7 of the great prospects picked before us 1-7. Before the draft it was a weak draft with only one guaranteed player, but somehow we missed out on all the stars?

Dear Knickfans: Stop the nonsense. You got a good player in Jordan Hill with as much of a chance of being a star in the NBA as anyone on the board. There are no guarantees. At 29 everyone is saying we got a steal. I couldn't find one site that said anything negative about Douglas at 29. Why are Knick fans so depressed? Stephon Curry? Is he guaranteed to be anything? Can you look at him and honestly say he is a guaranteed star?
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6/27/2009  11:57 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Most sites picked us as a winner or at worst not mentioned. The only sites that picked us as losers were those that focus on how we missed out on all 7 of the great prospects picked before us 1-7. Before the draft it was a weak draft with only one guaranteed player, but somehow we missed out on all the stars?

Dear Knickfans: Stop the nonsense. You got a good player in Jordan Hill with as much of a chance of being a star in the NBA as anyone on the board. There are no guarantees. At 29 everyone is saying we got a steal. I couldn't find one site that said anything negative about Douglas at 29. Why are Knick fans so depressed? Stephon Curry? Is he guaranteed to be anything? Can you look at him and honestly say he is a guaranteed star?

Good post...everybody had their hearts set on Curry and it was a reaction of disappointment when he was snatched one pick before ours. But once reason starts to sit in, we should get a better analysis of our draft from the fanbase.

Two things that influenced the psyche of Knick fans on draft day: The 2008 draft which at this point is a disappointment and the death of MJ

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6/27/2009  3:41 PM
I think this may end up being a blessing in disguise. We actually got good value in this draft. Players that actually PLAY TWO WAYS!!!! Did that get lost on anyone? We got guys that actually have a chance to be good defenders. Yeah Hill has to learn how to defend a bit better, but he's got the physical ability to defend at a high level.

I expect that our defense will improve quite a bit when you look at having possible combinations of Chan, Gallo, Hill, Darko, Douglas etc. A team doesn't have to have every single player be a lock down defender, but having a higher ratio of good defenders will make a huge difference. We'll be longer and a bit quicker and more athletic I think.
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6/27/2009  5:09 PM
As I have mentioned before. Hill is my best friends cousin. I met hill some years ago. good kid, had it a bit rough comming up with the death of his mother at a young age, but the kid is a survivor. My friend spoke to hill yesterday he said, and hill was excited, said the knicks talked to him about building a team around him on the front line.... Now maybe that is what the knicks tell all of their lottery picks, but it is good to know that the knicks really like this kid and that he is just not someone they had to pick because he was BPA..... but someone they wanted as well...
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