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6/20/2009  11:42 PM
trade a 22 yr old sf who in his 2nd year avg'd 14 and 5 with a stl and a block for the 5 in this draft? SELL big time!!!!

Not only does he score but he can effectively guard 3 positions. There will be life after 'Antoni where defending will matter once more.

Hopefully there is a brain which can project past the end of MDA's contract between Walsh Grunwald and Houston that realizes the value of having young versatile defenders like Chandler and Jrue

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-20-2009 11:44 PM]
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6/20/2009  11:52 PM
Posted by McK1:

trade a 22 yr old sf who in his 2nd year avg'd 14 and 5 with a stl and a block for the 5 in this draft? SELL big time!!!!

Not only does he score but he can effectively guard 3 positions. There will be life after 'Antoni where defending will matter once more.

Hopefully there is a brain which can project past the end of MDA's contract between Walsh Grunwald and Houston that realizes the value of having young versatile defenders like Chandler and Jrue

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-20-2009 11:44 PM]

Remember if there's one thing Dominic McGuire does well at this stage in his development it's play defense. Plus, I think he could eventually become a capable offensive player as well - he has the tools and he's shown the signs. Bottom line is I agree with you though - Chandler's valuable and a big part of what we're building here moving forward but if I could trade up to 5 and grab not just any PG but the guy we want (hopefully it's Curry) AND ALSO replace Chandler with a Dominic McGuire, Washington's 32nd pick where I'd draft the best SF on the board, or with a piece from a drop-down trade with the 8th pick you do the deal. If we can replace Chandler in the rotation I'm A-OK with trading him in the right deal. Personally, I wanna see us do some big, bold things on draft night and later on this summer. If we go into next year having only squared away Lee and Nate & added Jrue Holiday at 8, I'll be dissappointed...

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-20-2009 11:58 PM]
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6/20/2009  11:57 PM
I'd doubt any team would trade for Chandler in the immediate future. He's coming off ankle surgery, isn't he?
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6/21/2009  12:09 AM
Posted by technomaster:

I'd doubt any team would trade for Chandler in the immediate future. He's coming off ankle surgery, isn't he?

I thought of that too but the surgery was said to be a success and he's only 22 years old. I think it's safe to assume his career will continue. Hey you're right though, it's a concern but with the rumor being reported it sounds as if Washington might be OK with the fact that he just had the surgery. It sound's as though it won't be an issue unless Washington's holding out for more compensation which is unclear right now. We made the trade for 'Dyess and he was coming off knee surgery. I think a trade can get done unless the Wizards become too greedy.
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6/21/2009  12:14 AM
McGuire is an 8th man and Curry doesn't solve NY's problem.

NY made over 800 threes last year. Only other team to do it was Orlando.

Chandler does begin to offer a solution to NY's problem. Theoretically this is his draft class. He is the same age as most these guys and has a significant leg up already.

You're not getting CP3 or Deron at pick 5. Stay at the 8 take another guy who the staff feels can lead or help shore up the perimeter turnstile and pay Nate.
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6/21/2009  12:17 AM
Chandler is proven and is improving. I am surprised Gallo hasn't been mentioned as a way to move up. It is either D' and his all offense philosophy or teams are scared off by the back injury that at least the Nets were aware of in one of the strongest drafts ever.
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6/21/2009  12:20 AM
I don't think the Knicks wanna trade Danillo yet, when they still haven't seen him play a full season. He is untouchable right now, at least for moving up.


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6/21/2009  12:31 AM
In my opinion Gallo should be mentioned before Chandler if one of the young guys is going to be traded. If Gallo turns out to be the 20th best player in last years draft the Knicks will be lucky and he might be better than Chandler. The Knicks as an organization need to find the right balance between GM and coach. Larry Brown is a good coach but he needs a gm who will prevent him from moving guys based on his day to day mood. JVG and Ernie G were a great team because Ernie kept Jeff in check and always thought globally and went for the guy with the most upside versus the guy who tries hardest in practice and gives it all on d'. There is a reason why those positions are seperate and it is not just because it is too much responsibility for one person. The checks and balances need to be in place for an organization to be successful. The Knicks I hope have that but last years hiccup in the draft will hurt the franchise for the next 12 years and I hope Walsh learned from it.
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6/21/2009  1:32 AM
Finally I see Gallo mentioned in this topic....smh....

With all this talk about finding a Wilson "replacement"....what do guys think of Al Harrington and Gallo???

I mentioned this in another thread....everyone is a fan of Wilson Chandler and we'd hate to lose him....but if you can get the 5th pick for him without losing #8 YOU MUST DO IT!!!!

Knicks are trying to build a team here....there is no time to be paying guys like Lee because "who else is gonna give you 16 and 11" and keeping extra small fwds because "they play 3 positions"....

Bottom line with this for me is the Knicks need a point guard Curry and evans have a chance to be special. #5 gives you a chance to pick one of them.....@#8 Jordan Hill might very well fall in the Knicks lap.

That's some serious upgrades.....then there is talk the Knicks could still gain another 1st rounder in the 20's....

Jordan Hill/ Jared
Al Harrington/Gallo
Eddy Curry??? Gortat???
Duhon/Steph Curry
Hughes/Q

Knicks could go to war with that...they still have the expirings to play with...or not. Knicks can take the bullet for a couple players for the good of the franchise. Go Knicks!
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6/21/2009  1:36 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

I don't think the Knicks wanna trade Danillo yet, when they still haven't seen him play a full season. He is untouchable right now, at least for moving up.



It isn't the Knicks choice. He has no trade value. Chandler is the guy that Walsh admits teams keep asking for. Has nothing to do with their choice.
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6/21/2009  1:43 AM
Posted by McK1:

trade a 22 yr old sf who in his 2nd year avg'd 14 and 5 with a stl and a block for the 5 in this draft? SELL big time!!!!

Not only does he score but he can effectively guard 3 positions. There will be life after 'Antoni where defending will matter once more.

Hopefully there is a brain which can project past the end of MDA's contract between Walsh Grunwald and Houston that realizes the value of having young versatile defenders like Chandler and Jrue

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-20-2009 11:44 PM]

To be fair to MDA, this would only push him closer out the door. MDA has stated that Chandler is the guy who doesn't want move. This would be all Walsh.

Chandler also developed from a quiet rookie into a sensational sophomore. He nearly doubled his stats from his rookie season to average 14.4 points, 5.4 rebounds and 2.1 assists this year. With D'Antoni coming from Phoenix, there were plenty of comparisons of Chandler to Marion. The coach dismissed that notion, but Chandler was the first player mentioned when D'Antoni was asked which player made the biggest impression this season.

"Wilson Chandler jumps out real quick," D'Antoni said. "I didn't know him coming in here, so I didn't count on him at all. I think he has become a very good player."

D'Antoni said there is a lot to like about Chandler's game. He sees a bright future for Chandler based on this season.

"You tell him something and you can see he goes right on the floor and tries to incorporate it in his game," D'Antoni said. "We have to be real careful about telling him something because he'll literally do what we tell him. We just have to get him more involved in the game mentally and physically and just play at a higher level of intensity. He's been terrific to work with."

But, the coach doesn't want to heap too much praise on Chandler. D'Antoni said a lot can happen between this year and next.

"I had an old coach who once said, 'Yeah, he's good today, but he might be a serial killer in about two weeks,'" D'Antoni said. "We want to be real careful. But I really like the guy."
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6/21/2009  3:24 AM
if we could get Derozan at #5 i would be willing to give up Chandler, but not if i have to also give up the #8 pick... & i love Chandler... but let's face it, he doesn't project as a franchise changing star player... he can be a great 2nd fiddle player on a good team... i think w/#5 & #8 we could realistically end up with both Derozan & Jordan Hill out of this draft, which could really set our franchise up w/a tremendous 1-2 punch for the next decade.
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6/21/2009  6:12 AM
Dude, the way they are talking about DeRozan not only will he be there at 8, he will be there in the teens. He is falling fast and hard. I don't think DeRozan is nowhere near the Knicks plans anyway. And I like DeRozan but not enough to give up a 14ppg player right now. The only guy I would be willing to give up for him is Griffin.
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6/21/2009  8:49 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:





"You tell him something and you can see he goes right on the floor and tries to incorporate it in his game," D'Antoni said. "We have to be real careful about telling him something because he'll literally do what we tell him. We just have to get him more involved in the game mentally and physically and just play at a higher level of intensity. He's been terrific to work with."

But, the coach doesn't want to heap too much praise on Chandler. D'Antoni said a lot can happen between this year and next.

"I had an old coach who once said, 'Yeah, he's good today, but he might be a serial killer in about two weeks,'" D'Antoni said. "We want to be real careful. But I really like the guy." [/i]

this sounds like one of MDA's alot of truth is spoken in jest jabs at Chandler's bball IQ.
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Jordan Hill/ Jared
Al Harrington/Gallo
Eddy Curry??? Gortat???
Duhon/Steph Curry
Hughes/Q

Knicks could go to war with that...they still have the expirings to play with...or not. Knicks can take the bullet for a couple players for the good of the franchise. Go Knicks!

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[Edited by - McK1 on 06-21-2009 08:54 AM]
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6/21/2009  10:21 AM
Why would washington do this, they feel like they need a back up for Butler????


I would take this deal and run, i'm sorry but I think Chandler is a role player that got to take 15 shots a game in Mike'Ds fast paced system. If the Wizard want him for the 5th pick you have to take the deal. I doubt this is the full trade though. If I were the Wizards Maybe I do 5th pick for Chandler, Nate and 3million for the 5th pick and to dump etan or james
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6/21/2009  11:28 AM
Posted by Anji:

Why would washington do this, they feel like they need a back up for Butler????


I would take this deal and run, i'm sorry but I think Chandler is a role player that got to take 15 shots a game in Mike'Ds fast paced system. If the Wizard want him for the 5th pick you have to take the deal. I doubt this is the full trade though. If I were the Wizards Maybe I do 5th pick for Chandler, Nate and 3million for the 5th pick and to dump etan or james

Nate and Chandler,

two guys in their early 20's who combined for 31.6 pts 9.4 rebs 6.2 assts 2.2 stls

for the 5 3 mil and cash and Mike James or Etan Thomas

this trade ranks right up there with the Curry deal in awfulness

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6/21/2009  11:46 AM
I don't believe there is any intention of using Chandler along with #8 to move up to #5. I think its Chandler for #5.

Washington would slide Butler to SG or play Chandler at SG.

Arenas,Butler,Chandler,Jaimison,Haywood. Kind of makes sense for Washington who are in win now mood and need a guy like Chandler late rookie contract already played 2 seasons and is on the verge of being a 20pt scorer. Rather then taking a chance on a rookie since they are in win now mode. Washington could also fill there backup PG needs at pick #32 probably land Collison. They might also have interest in Jeffries and a swap of Jeffries for Etan Thomas would make sense in the deal.

I would try and be greedy and see if I could get Andre Blatche in the deal though. If Anything give them Al Harrington for Etan Thomas, Mike James, Blatche & #32 if the Chandler deal fails.

With the #5 we would draft Hill unless Rubio fell to #5 then we would draft Rubio. Minny would take Evans, Golden State would probably take Jennings since they love his speed, leaving Curry to us at #8 though Golden State could take Curry but im sure they would be open to trade with us to swap picks.

If we came away with Curry & Hill. We would then probably look to work out a sign & trade of Lee to Portland. We also could try and work out a sign & trade of Nate to what ever team is interested in him. We also have Mobley's contract as trade bait, as well as the Balkman trade exception.

I could see a deal go down of Lee for Frye & Rudy. What can we do with Mobley's contract that would help us unload Curry though? OKC is the only team that have the need and the availability to take Curry from us but I don't know if they are interested.
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6/21/2009  11:54 AM
Posted by buddapaw:

If we get the 5 and keep our 8, I'm drafting a big backcourt Evans and DeRozan or Evans and Hill

Evans - Derozan would be a ridiculous backcourt from a size standpoint.

I think with an expiring and Chandler you could pull just about any star in a trade though, so you'd really have to believe in that pick.
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6/21/2009  12:04 PM
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2009/06/smokescreens_and_speculation.html
There was one rumor that caught some internet buzz but has not emerged anywhere else. The website NBADraft.net suggested the Knicks were pushing Wilson Chandler to the Wizards for the No. 5. I asked around. Heard nothing but crickets. Since neither David Lee nor Nate Robinson can be moved in draft night, reality suggests Chandler may be the lone chance for the Knicks to move up, if that's the plan.

But we're telling you now that the Knicks aren't "shopping" Chandler. If a team asked, they would obviously have to consider, but this is something you only seriously consider it if you can also keep the No. 8 or dump off a big contract. It would be hard to imagine the Knicks -- let me clarify, Donnie Walsh's Knicks -- would castaway a young, relatively inexpensive (not to mention promising) talent such as Chandler just to move up three spots. Walsh and the coaching staff loves the kid too much.]
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6/21/2009  12:05 PM
Martin - that was a wack move on a thread that was gaining steam. Stop hating.

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