Posted by knicks1248:

Vmart that list sounds ok but just bear in mind this is a weak weak draft for big men, we need to relize these guys are probably not going to develope into impact players, which is why a number of teams are listning to possible trades. Hill really can turn into a lonnie baxter, chris wilcox, mikkie more type player. I would definetly have a problem with him. Like bip said az played poorly all season long

The reason I wouldn't draft Hill is that most likely the Knicks come 2010 will be getting a pf in FA market, Bosh or Amare. With that said I would avoid Hill. I don't see him as a center type. I'd definitely get a guard in this draft. For me I would trade up to get Rubio or Curry. But if we are sitting at 8 and Flynn is there I would take him. But I really would like the Knicks to move up and get either Rubio or Curry.

I agree that Hill has a low ceiling. We're not hitting a hr by drafting him. But he will work on defense, board pretty well and he'll run the court. With the eighth pick in a weak draft, he's not bad value.

Posted by Ira:

I agree that Hill has a low ceiling. We're not hitting a hr by drafting him. But he will work on defense, board pretty well and he'll run the court. With the eighth pick in a weak draft, he's not bad value.

i've been wondering if Walsh sees him as a Dale Davis type.

I don't think you guys realize what Jordon Hill's appeal is for the Knicks. They visualize a plus 20 pound Hill, as a particularly athletic center capable of running the floor, rebounding, blocking shots and being the much needed defensive presence that they have been searching for. Hill has only been playing basketball since 9th grade. The particularly rapid progress Hill made between his last two years at Arizona point toward the upside potential he possesses. I don't believe one should judge him based on what he brought to the table in College. He is a very long body with an uncommon combination of speed, athleticism and jumping ability.

It is a lot cheaper to acquire such a player through the draft, than it is to pay top dollar in free agency. Hill also gives the Knick's considerable flexibility and leverage in dealing with David Lee. With Jordon Hill signed, it is alot easier to say goodbye to David Lee if the financial package he is asking for is more than what they want to spend. If Lee ultimately truly wants to stay with the Knicks, it is essential that the Knicks have the confidence to refuse to pay him the high price that his agent figures NY can't refuse.

Posted by knicks1248:

So we get rid of david lee and bring in a cheaper athletic version. We still have a major hole in the pg position which is key to any success in MDA's system.

Steve Nash will be here in no time.

Hill will not be a good selection.. at all. Just saying it one last time...

from Tommy D's blog today:

So I’ve been (as I’m sure you guys have been too) hearing more ridiculous prospect comparisons lately and just have to throw my two cents in here. Jordan Hill is NOT Mikki Moore, nor will he be. The comparisons cease after the dreadlocks. Moore wasn’t drafted then worked his way into a contract because of just that: hard work. Timing and solid play had a lot to do with his contract in Sacramento. Sure, Hill could have done more at Arizona but you’d have to believe had Lute Olsen stayed around things would have been much different. Despite the talent, there were just too many distractions surrounding the for there to be success. Look, there’s nothing wrong with comparing possible outlooks, but in most cases it’s pretty useless as is the case with Hill and Moore.You have to dig a bit deeper than just physical attributes. Take Jrue Holiday for example. I’ve mentioned him along the lines of Chauncey Billups or Derek Harper in terms of physical strength, which is NOT to say that I think he will have their careers. Why? Comparing players physical attributes is fine because that is NBA tangible, but to say a prospect is going to be ineffective NBA player X and that a team should avoid him is simply off target from an analysis standpoint in my opinion.

Sounds like the knock on Stoudamire back in 02. On TNT one of those "experts" said that he would be at the most a poor man version of Wilcox. The best one was that Amare wasn't as polished as Wilcox and his immaturity wouldn't let him get to that point. Funny how that stuff works. Go figure.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by PresIke:

from Tommy D's blog today:

So I’ve been (as I’m sure you guys have been too) hearing more ridiculous prospect comparisons lately and just have to throw my two cents in here. Jordan Hill is NOT Mikki Moore, nor will he be. The comparisons cease after the dreadlocks. Moore wasn’t drafted then worked his way into a contract because of just that: hard work. Timing and solid play had a lot to do with his contract in Sacramento. Sure, Hill could have done more at Arizona but you’d have to believe had Lute Olsen stayed around things would have been much different. Despite the talent, there were just too many distractions surrounding the for there to be success. Look, there’s nothing wrong with comparing possible outlooks, but in most cases it’s pretty useless as is the case with Hill and Moore.You have to dig a bit deeper than just physical attributes. Take Jrue Holiday for example. I’ve mentioned him along the lines of Chauncey Billups or Derek Harper in terms of physical strength, which is NOT to say that I think he will have their careers. Why? Comparing players physical attributes is fine because that is NBA tangible, but to say a prospect is going to be ineffective NBA player X and that a team should avoid him is simply off target from an analysis standpoint in my opinion.

but the real reason people are comparing Hill to Moore (including myself) is because they play the same type of game. Jumpshot - check. Athleticism - check. Ability to run the floor - check. Rebounding - check.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-18-2009 08:59 AM]

You just described David Lee. Should we compare him to Mikki Moore? If he didn't have dreads Mikki Moore would be as forgotten as he always is.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 18-06-2009 09:58 AM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by PresIke:

from Tommy D's blog today:

So I’ve been (as I’m sure you guys have been too) hearing more ridiculous prospect comparisons lately and just have to throw my two cents in here. Jordan Hill is NOT Mikki Moore, nor will he be. The comparisons cease after the dreadlocks. Moore wasn’t drafted then worked his way into a contract because of just that: hard work. Timing and solid play had a lot to do with his contract in Sacramento. Sure, Hill could have done more at Arizona but you’d have to believe had Lute Olsen stayed around things would have been much different. Despite the talent, there were just too many distractions surrounding the for there to be success. Look, there’s nothing wrong with comparing possible outlooks, but in most cases it’s pretty useless as is the case with Hill and Moore.You have to dig a bit deeper than just physical attributes. Take Jrue Holiday for example. I’ve mentioned him along the lines of Chauncey Billups or Derek Harper in terms of physical strength, which is NOT to say that I think he will have their careers. Why? Comparing players physical attributes is fine because that is NBA tangible, but to say a prospect is going to be ineffective NBA player X and that a team should avoid him is simply off target from an analysis standpoint in my opinion.

but the real reason people are comparing Hill to Moore (including myself) is because they play the same type of game. Jumpshot - check. Athleticism - check. Ability to run the floor - check. Rebounding - check.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-18-2009 08:59 AM]

You just described David Lee. Should we compare him to Mikki Moore? If he didn't have dreads Mikki Moore would be as forgotten as he always is.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 18-06-2009 09:58 AM]

David Lee is a Mikki Moore type of player. I would even say that Mikki Moore has a better jumpshot.

Looks like someone just gulp down their daily quench fix

Maybe Colangelo is saying Knicks like Hill because that is what he wants the Knicks to do draft Hill so he can then trade for Hill and Lee for Bosh.