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Paladin55
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6/12/2009  8:25 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

LOL, we kill Chandler for not walking around like this and then we kill guys like Jennings for doing so. Maybe it isn't them but the people who are always commenting on them.

If people "kill him" kill him for anything- it is more about the passiveness he shows on the court at times. I like his personal demeanor- seems like a good kid, and I want to like the personalities of the players on my team. Sure, I'll take an a-hole like Rodman, but I prefer to like the guys on my teams for more than just their game.

Most of the draft prospects have been fine when I have heard them interviewed- that is what makes Jennings stick out.

And yeah, who knows what kind of a teammate he will be, but we just got done with Starbury- so I am wary of certain types.
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6/12/2009  9:21 PM
Posted by lumbardar:

I have to agree what jennings said and all things he said were true about ricky rubio. Here my take on this what he said about ricky rubio I think rubio is scared to workout against all these top point guards in this year draft. This like if gallanari didn't workout for any team last year he would not be on this team if he skipped workouts I really belive if gallanari didn't work out for any team we would have pick somebody else in last years draft. I can respect Gallanari more because he acually did workout for 5 nba teams even though I didn't like this pick I can respect him. On a side note I think lot of these top point guards in this year draft really hate ricky rubio because they have to show teams what they can do against other elite point guards and he doesn't have to do nothing and I think these elite point guards really want to know why this guy is still a top 3 draft pick when he has done nothing. In last year draft everybody knew derrick rose was going to be the first point guard taken and every other point guard respected that decision because he was that good there were no aurguments about that from anybody.

tell me 1 good reason why Rubio should work out vs. guys that are projected to go lower than him in the draft? for bragging rights? to show how much of a man he is or how much he isn't afraid to play these guys? dude, in the coming years all of these guys will have plenty of opportunities to show who's all hype & who's the real deal... to risk moving down in the draft & losing out on millions of dollars in rookie guaranteed contract money is not the smartest thing to do at this point.
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6/12/2009  9:56 PM
I guess once again someone will have to be the guy that left Melo Bosh Wade etc on the board for some hyped up Euro to get the message that the best talent is right here in these United States.

Its smart of him not to work out against guys that can make his stock drop. To me its dumb of any GM to look past that obvious reason for not competing when evaluating how this guy is going to fare here.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-12-2009 9:59 PM]
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6/12/2009  10:06 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by Pharzeone:

LOL, we kill Chandler for not walking around like this and then we kill guys like Jennings for doing so. Maybe it isn't them but the people who are always commenting on them.

If people "kill him" kill him for anything- it is more about the passiveness he shows on the court at times. I like his personal demeanor- seems like a good kid, and I want to like the personalities of the players on my team. Sure, I'll take an a-hole like Rodman, but I prefer to like the guys on my teams for more than just their game.

Most of the draft prospects have been fine when I have heard them interviewed- that is what makes Jennings stick out.

And yeah, who knows what kind of a teammate he will be, but we just got done with Starbury- so I am wary of certain types.

Then you missed the threads about Chandler not showing his bravado more. Not pumping up rooster signs. I even asked jokingly asked the question should he slap D'Antoni in the face to impress people. Now you have a guy who talking confidently about his game vs. another draft prospect who mind you this board just happens to be in love with and he somehow did something wrong. You know the easy thing for Rubio and Jennings to do is to go head to head in workouts put an end to it. I give Curry props for doing this.

BTW, what type of player will Rubio be. He just signed a contract and now he is trying to get out of it while not trying to honor the penalty he agreed to for breaching the contract.
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6/12/2009  10:08 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by lumbardar:

I have to agree what jennings said and all things he said were true about ricky rubio. Here my take on this what he said about ricky rubio I think rubio is scared to workout against all these top point guards in this year draft. This like if gallanari didn't workout for any team last year he would not be on this team if he skipped workouts I really belive if gallanari didn't work out for any team we would have pick somebody else in last years draft. I can respect Gallanari more because he acually did workout for 5 nba teams even though I didn't like this pick I can respect him. On a side note I think lot of these top point guards in this year draft really hate ricky rubio because they have to show teams what they can do against other elite point guards and he doesn't have to do nothing and I think these elite point guards really want to know why this guy is still a top 3 draft pick when he has done nothing. In last year draft everybody knew derrick rose was going to be the first point guard taken and every other point guard respected that decision because he was that good there were no aurguments about that from anybody.

tell me 1 good reason why Rubio should work out vs. guys that are projected to go lower than him in the draft? for bragging rights? to show how much of a man he is or how much he isn't afraid to play these guys? dude, in the coming years all of these guys will have plenty of opportunities to show who's all hype & who's the real deal... to risk moving down in the draft & losing out on millions of dollars in rookie guaranteed contract money is not the smartest thing to do at this point.

I agree but if someone calls you out for it we should note that such action is not without merit.
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6/12/2009  11:36 PM
I love Flynn laughing as Brandon is talking. I personally don't care what Brandon said. It's not good, it's not bad. It's just words and doesn't mean anything. IF he turns out to be better than Rubio then he was right. If Rubio is a flop then he is right. If Rubio turns out to be better than him than he was wrong. Either way, it's jsut words and words don't mean anything. YOu still have to get it done on the court. If Brandon does, then he can talk all he wants. If he doesn't then he just looks like an idiot.
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6/12/2009  11:39 PM
As for Rubio working out, he would be an idiot to work out right now with his current draft stock. Any advisor and scout would be telling us not to work out if we were in the same situation. Same reason Curry pulled out. Enough teams expressed interest in him that there is no reason to go any further. At that point all you can do is hurt yourself. Rubio's position seems set. He's going top 5, most likely top 3. Why jeopardize that? To prove your manhood? There will be plenty of time for that when the season starts. Number 2, who the f cares what others think of your game. Again, it's just words. If you win, doesn't matter what others think
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6/12/2009  11:57 PM
if you watch the interview it isn't as big of a deal as it sounds. it didn't sound overly arrogant in an annoying way, as he was somewhat joking, and it sounds like he feels slighted....this about pride and trying to sell oneself, which guess what?...exactly what they are trying to do. the rest of what he says sounds pretty good. he doesn't come across as foolish to me.

it is a bit brash, and this is something to think about, and be aware of. i say, thank goodness he played in europe because i think it at least gave him a humbling experience at a young enough age that he can take something from it.

also sounds to me like he outplayed flynn.

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6/13/2009  12:04 AM
Tms this not about bragging rights its about who fits your team the best. For example this week steph curry and jrue holiday workout for the knicks together and played against each other. Steph curry did do lot better then jrue holdiay in his workout for us and organization wanted to know who would fit this team the best curry or holday. Steph Curry wants to go against the best point gaurds in this draft to see where he stands among best and that something I like. When you compete against other quality point guards it brings the best out you. Do you think Johnny Flynn today went up against bradon jennings and jrue holiday for the kings those guys didn't get scared to go aginst each other because they know this for a spot for the team. All three guys didn't have to go against each other but they wanted to go against the best talent. As far as ricky rubio goes hasn't shown anything in this draft because he hasn't done anything. Ricky rubio hasn't even done an indivual workout for any team in this draft so far and to me that is pretty strange to me. I remember last year Derrick rose went up aginst all the elite point guards to show what type of competer he is. Derrick Rose wanted to go against the best competion to show that he is the best point guard out everyone in that group guards. There are lot of top point guards in this year draft that are going against each other to show each team that there not afraid to go against each other. This has nothing to do with money because all these guys will have an edorsement deal there still going to make millions of dollars.
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6/13/2009  12:19 AM
Mck1 is right, smart of Rubio, just dumb of any GM to go along with it.
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6/13/2009  12:19 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I thought Jennings was going to Europe to mature both his basketball game and as a person? Guess that didn't work out too well in either respect.

i think someone who developed the kind of ego he did in high school, makes it harder to change pov, but the good thing is at the age he is at there is some hope. i don't want to say i "love" what he said, but they were asking him, and he might have a bit of a chip on his shoulder after he was so touted and then dropped.

we'll have to see. i see more reasonableness overall compared to other i am the center of the universe guys, like marbury, but living abroad can be a good thing. the problem is he could see it as some justification of being treated wrong and that he is really great, but not given the right opportunity.

that's okay, to some extent, as long as it doesn't become only about brandon jennings. he just has to be willing to listen a little. he was able to "follow orders" this year, which is good, so put him with a good coach who supports him and in the right system, where he feels confident but not too arrogant and i think he has a good shot at working out. i think d'antoni might be a guy who can do it, given jennings age.

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-13-2009 12:20 AM]
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6/13/2009  12:28 AM
let me add...this story is also posted here, and as can be seen by some responses, as red meat for the masses. he is saying what a lot of skeptics think of rubio. he was at least seen in high school, but it is a risky game he's playing.

hahn says golden state is also interested in Jennings...

AS ARE THE KNICKS, who may work him out this week.

word is THE KNICKS ARE WORKING OUT AUSTIN DAYE and some other players... yet to be announced, monday

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-13-2009 12:29 AM]
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6/13/2009  12:57 AM
I didn't read the article but I'm assuming Jennings said something about Rubio being hype...

which is hilarious to me-- Jennings should take care of his own before talking about other people or other players.
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6/13/2009  3:52 AM
People are stupid, plain and simple and Jennings is dumb as ****.
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6/13/2009  4:10 AM
In the last 20yrs and probably maybe even never. There has not been one euro PG to be drafted in the lottery, let alone top 4.

There must be something about Rubio, or maybe Nash made him what he is since everyone has Nash fever. And without Nash taking the league by storm the past few yrs Rubio wouldn't be considered so special. Though Rubio comes off more like Kidd then Nash.

It all about the situation, if he ends up in the right one he will be a star.
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6/13/2009  6:50 AM
I agree with TMS and the others who say that Jennings should have kept his mouth shut. It does raise a red flag about his character and maturity. When all is said and done, I think Curry will be better than both of them.
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6/13/2009  8:12 AM
has Jennings seen Rubio up close?
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6/13/2009  8:26 AM
You would think from the responses here that for the entire 7 minutes of the interview his only response was Ruio is hype.

Brandon went on to say put him in a gym with us - that us being himself, Flynn, Holiday, Curry, and Lawson - and Rubio would come out of that pack on the bottom. Would he?

If Jennings was the projected no. 2 pick with no real body of work to back it up and Rubio was here working out against the top prospects and he made the same comments would he be getting villified here. I doubt it. Most would be singing his praises as an insightful Euro guy.
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6/13/2009  11:03 AM
Posted by franco12:

has Jennings seen Rubio up close?

In the video he gave his points and assists against Rubio in a head to head matchup. Jennings noted he finished with 6 assists to Rubio 2 with Rubio getting more minutes. He noted that Rubio also scored 0 points. Jennings isn't the first to say this about Rubio but the first to get this much airplay for it.
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6/13/2009  11:04 AM
Posted by McK1:

You would think from the responses here that for the entire 7 minutes of the interview his only response was Ruio is hype.

Brandon went on to say put him in a gym with us - that us being himself, Flynn, Holiday, Curry, and Lawson - and Rubio would come out of that pack on the bottom. Would he?

If Jennings was the projected no. 2 pick with no real body of work to back it up and Rubio was here working out against the top prospects and he made the same comments would he be getting villified here. I doubt it. Most would be singing his praises as an insightful Euro guy.

A "street" perception of how you might ascertain the value of a PG. I would think that evaluating a PG would be the most difficult thing to do for a talent evaluator observing a workout, because you cannot simply judge the player on basic BB skills, you have to see how they fit in with 5 other guys on the floor.

The drills I saw Evans and Holiday doing for Sacramento told me nothing about their ability to be PGs. 3/3 competition would tell me more, 5/5 even more, but ultimately you only know how good a PG is when you put him with the guys he has to play with for 82 games and see how they work together and evolve. newyorknewyork's comment is true to a great extent- It is all about the situation, but a great PG is the player on a team with the greatest opportunity to make the others on that team better, and of the two so far, Jennings and Rubio, only Rubio has shown that ability on a big stage.
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