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knicks1248
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6/11/2009  9:21 PM
Of course we should be drafting for MDA's system,that's the purpose. But really, shooters are not a dime a dozen,streak shooters like JC and wally ect, those are the ones that need to have much more then a jumper to be great. But the houston's and,reggie's are the guys that become legendary just on that alone. And I watch this kid curry a lot this year and MDA is dead on about him been capable of having historical shooting nights, He's that good of a shooter for real. Reddick and morison shouldn't be in the same sentence with curry....just think 7 other teams thought they had drated someone better then kobe.

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6/11/2009  9:48 PM
Actually Kobe was drafted 13th by Charlotte than traded for Divac.

If Curry was 6'6 6'7 like Houston and Miller he'd be the consensus no. 2 pick in the draft and would have been the starting 2 on Davidson instead of altering the team to show he can play the 1.

I believe you draft for a philosophy that consistently wins. SSOL is 67-126 in the 3 seasons where MDA didn't have Nash
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6/11/2009  9:54 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Curry is something that D'Antoni needs for the offense to work. I think NY gets another 1st round pick and gets a lower end big too...
DW knows that he needs NY to be competetive this year, so Lebron is intrigued. And yes, a player of his caliber you make EVERY effort to get.

Why does MikeD need him to run the offense again? What can he do that Duhon can't exactly?

For one thing Curry is a superior offensive player and he's tailor made for MDA's offense. Duhon is a solid backup guy, but he lacks the ability to take over in crunchtime and either hit a game winning shot or create an open shot by drawing defenders and making the deft pass.

Man, Curry's game continues to grow on the internet. Now he is known for making passes in crunchtime. It is a wonder how his team lost any games. So now Gallinari, Chandler, Lebron and Curry are all going to be go to guys? How many shots is everyone going to attempt? All the great point guards that had success in this league and I mean real success had a prime time post player to throw the ball into. Where is that on the Knicks and when will it be address?

There is inconsistent logic abound. First we need to get Rubio because of his superior passing and defense so it is ok that he isn't a great shooter because the Knicks don't need that and now we need Curry because he is a great shooter and can make the "deft" pass but is weak on defense but it is ok because the Knicks need shooting more. Which is it?

I understand the Rubio logic and the only issue I had was the premature tag of franchise point guard. Funny thing is that when I watched the games, defense, post and perimeter defense was the major reason for Knick loses. Are the Knicks at anytime going to address their defensive issues?



[Edited by - pharzeone on 06-11-2009 9:55 PM]
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6/11/2009  9:55 PM
Jordan Hill reminds me of Chris Wilcox with more rebounding ability.

I'm not sure Curry lasts to 8 but if he does he'll probably be the BPA at that time.
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6/11/2009  10:28 PM
Defense has been a major issue with out question, and this has to be address with the same urgency .But the pg issue in this system is like the key to the car, your not going anywhere with out it, you could have the perfect paint job perfect body 22" rims and ridiculous sht under the hood, no keys no go. Someone mention the MDA's record without nash, that tells you what's more important if he's our coach. SnT with lee or nate should get us a defender,a proven one. I for one haven't seen a lock down defender playing any kind of note worthy defense coming right into the league. Do they even have a all defensive rookie team.you still half to out score the other team. If I had to name the top 25 defenders in this league, I would be baffled after the 1st 15.
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6/11/2009  11:01 PM
Is Stephen Curry Nick Van Exel or is he Steve Nash?
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6/12/2009  12:21 AM
How long Stephen Curry will last?
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6/12/2009  9:28 AM
He's agreed to work out for Minny so I'd wager no he won't drop to 8
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6/12/2009  9:44 AM
Posted by McK1:

Actually Kobe was drafted 13th by Charlotte than traded for Divac.

If Curry was 6'6 6'7 like Houston and Miller he'd be the consensus no. 2 pick in the draft and would have been the starting 2 on Davidson instead of altering the team to show he can play the 1.

I believe you draft for a philosophy that consistently wins. SSOL is 67-126 in the 3 seasons where MDA didn't have Nash

McK1: So you are of the opinion that Steve Nash made SSOL -- and thus truly deserving of the MVP awards -- as opposed to the theory that SSOL made Steve Nash? Please show your work... that stat is a good start.

Also, how successful do you think the Knicks would be if they got Nash now?

[Edited by - DrAlphaeus on 06-12-2009 09:51 AM]
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6/12/2009  11:10 AM
sorry for the hi-jack

MDA as a coach is 4-13 in games Nash didn't play over that 4 year span.

Nash in the 4 years prior to going to Phoenix led Dallas to records of

53-29
57-25
60-22
52-30

for a total of 222 wins - 106 losses.

He made the allstar team twice during that span and posted avg's of 16.4 ppg 7.8 assts (to 2.7 TO's - a 3 to 1 avg) while shooting an average of 47.6% overall 41.9% from 3 and 90.1% from the line.

Nash was already a star and a winner in the league playing at a very high level of energy and efficiency when he signed with Phoenix. Playing under Mike gave him the opportunity to show he had a 6th gear. Nobody expected much out of Phoenix that year despite MDA's presence. He went to the Suns and put that team on his back.

Phoenix changed its philosophy this past season, had a coaching change midway, lost Stat at the allstar break for the year and still went on to win 48 games.

If Nash were here NY wins 50 games. I believe Steve Nash could get a guy like Curry excited about playing ball. IMO Nash is one of the few left in the league who knows how to motivate. Guys a rare mix of elite skill level and elite character.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-12-2009 11:11 AM]
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6/12/2009  12:38 PM
Oh yeah with out question. Try looking at byron scotts record without CP3 or kidds, And I think byron scott is a terrible coach. It just shows how a great pg can make a coach look like a genius. what happens to those coaches is they get expose in the playoffs where coahing matters the most.
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6/12/2009  12:56 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by knicks1248:

Mck1 your right about curry and no other part of his game has been really mention. But the thing is, you have a guy who can shoot the ball with dead on accuracy no matter who,s guarding him. If he's getting allan houston comparison its hard to not want this guy in a shoot first ask questions later offense. And to add more to curry's creds, he doesn't just jack up illadvised shots.

Should we be drafting solely for MDA's system? Who knows how long he'll be around? I'm quite sure Phoenix would have liked the Rondo pick back especially with Kerr taking over coupled with how Tony Parker had his way with them in the playoffs MDA's last year there.

Curry seems like his ceiling is Mo williams which isn't a knock. Mo, however, was a 2nd rd pick and his game didn't translate to wins till he got to play off Lebron.

i think the idea of drafting for the system is nuts... we should be looking at the BPA period... how they fit into the system should be secondary... draft a great player, ask questions later.
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6/12/2009  1:01 PM
Posted by McK1:

sorry for the hi-jack

MDA as a coach is 4-13 in games Nash didn't play over that 4 year span.

Nash in the 4 years prior to going to Phoenix led Dallas to records of

53-29
57-25
60-22
52-30

for a total of 222 wins - 106 losses.

He made the allstar team twice during that span and posted avg's of 16.4 ppg 7.8 assts (to 2.7 TO's - a 3 to 1 avg) while shooting an average of 47.6% overall 41.9% from 3 and 90.1% from the line.

Nash was already a star and a winner in the league playing at a very high level of energy and efficiency when he signed with Phoenix. Playing under Mike gave him the opportunity to show he had a 6th gear. Nobody expected much out of Phoenix that year despite MDA's presence. He went to the Suns and put that team on his back.

Phoenix changed its philosophy this past season, had a coaching change midway, lost Stat at the allstar break for the year and still went on to win 48 games.

If Nash were here NY wins 50 games. I believe Steve Nash could get a guy like Curry excited about playing ball. IMO Nash is one of the few left in the league who knows how to motivate. Guys a rare mix of elite skill level and elite character.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-12-2009 11:11 AM]

While I agree with you to a degree, anytime you take the best player out your lineup (especially a 2time MVP winner) your team is going to struggle to find an identity. Theres not enough practice time in the NBA to just throw someone else in there and have things work just like they did.
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6/12/2009  1:27 PM
well he still had Marion and Amare who were all-NBA during those years and were top 5 statistically wise at their positions as well as Barbosa to run point who for 4 years running has been a 6 man candidate. Plus he had been working with Stat and Marion since 02 and Barbosa since 03.

seems like more than enough to keep a team that averaged 58 wins over that span at least close to .500 without Nash.
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6/12/2009  3:19 PM
Posted by McK1:

well he still had Marion and Amare who were all-NBA during those years and were top 5 statistically wise at their positions as well as Barbosa to run point who for 4 years running has been a 6 man candidate. Plus he had been working with Stat and Marion since 02 and Barbosa since 03.

seems like more than enough to keep a team that averaged 58 wins over that span at least close to .500 without Nash.

Barbosa is not a PG.
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6/12/2009  3:26 PM
Mike used him as Nash's backup and he started him at point when Nash missed a game. Why would Mike give him such responsibility if he couldn't handle it?

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6/12/2009  3:28 PM
Posted by McK1:

Mike used him as Nash's backup and he started him at point when Nash missed a game. Why would Mike give him such responsibility if he couldn't handle it?

cause they had caca for backup PGs.
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6/12/2009  3:30 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

Mike used him as Nash's backup and he started him at point when Nash missed a game. Why would Mike give him such responsibility if he couldn't handle it?

cause they had caca for backup PGs.

Mike's choices. He was the GM once Colangelo left and now we're talking about drafting a guy who is alot more barbosa than he is steve nash

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-12-2009 3:39 PM]
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6/12/2009  3:46 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

Mike used him as Nash's backup and he started him at point when Nash missed a game. Why would Mike give him such responsibility if he couldn't handle it?

cause they had caca for backup PGs.

Mike's choices. He was the GM once Colangelo left and now we're talking about drafting a guy who is alot more barbosa than he is steve nash

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-12-2009 3:39 PM]

Mike was the GM for like 1 year, wasn't he? And didn't PHO sell the pick that turned out to be Rondo?
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6/12/2009  3:59 PM
Allegedly MDA didn't want Rondo cuz he had a bad jumpshot, he didn't see anybody else in the draft he liked and Phx sold the pick. That same offseason Marcus Banks got 5 yrs 4.5 mil per from Phoenix as a free agent to back up Nash.

Now at that time colangelo was in T-Dot blowing a first on Bargnani and Kerr was still on TNT.
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