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6/11/2009  11:11 AM
I dont get this love for Sergio Rodriguez. He's a back-up point gaurd at best. And we already have a back-up running the point in Duhon.
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6/11/2009  11:11 AM
Briggs was high on Thabeet, isn't he considered a foreign player considering he is from Africa. Man one of the greatest player to come into the league was a foreigner Hakeem. Granted they played college basketball. You knew they had a skill set to be great or they wouldn't be here. Some don't get the opportunity to play in College so they play for their country's teams. My theory with foreign players is if they can shoot they can shoot if they can stay in front of their man on defense they can stay in front. The rest can be learned and taught especially if the player is 18 years old and has skill sets that will make him a solid player.
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6/11/2009  11:14 AM
Posted by Uptown:

I dont get this love for Sergio Rodriguez. He's a back-up point gaurd at best. And we already have a back-up running the point in Duhon.

Agreed, he couldn't even start over their in Portland. He had ample opportunity to become a starter.
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6/11/2009  11:20 AM
Posted by Vmart:

Briggs was high on Thabeet, isn't he considered a foreign player considering he is from Africa. Man one of the greatest player to come into the league was a foreigner Hakeem. Granted they played college basketball. You knew they had a skill set to be great or they wouldn't be here. Some don't get the opportunity to play in College so they play for their country's teams. My theory with foreign players is if they can shoot they can shoot if they can stay in front of their man on defense they can stay in front. The rest can be learned and taught especially if the player is 18 years old and has skill sets that will make him a solid player.


How many people think he will be a bust--its insane.
This guy will prove a lot of people wrong.

Its funny when I read fromone poster how easy it would be to get a guy 6 inches smaller to bring Thabeet out to take jumoshots. I wonder how that same 6-9 guy will do against a 7-3 275 pound C who starts sealing his man off point blank at the basket.
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6/11/2009  11:22 AM
One thing for sure: if the Knicks really want pick #2, I think they have the best chance to get it with the combination of assets they have.

Pick #8
Mobley's contract
Trade exemptions
Youngsters in Gallo and The Mayor
Possible Sign-n-Trade with Nate and DLee
More money than most teams

If they want it, they sure can make a nice package for it.


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6/11/2009  11:25 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The Knicks have as much chance of taking Thabeet as Charles Smith has making a layup in traffic. Have the Knicks even worked out Thabeet? IMHO they would nOT take him at 8 let alone 2.


IF we get two--it's between two players--Curry and Rubio--Of course I think we should take Curry---but I still don't see it. These guys like foreign players for better or for worse. If they could have 10 of them--they would do it. I dont mind a few foreign players but this is an *American* team not Real Madrid.

yeah, i don't see us taking thabeet either.

if we get high enough where rubio is there, i think we are taking him, without question.

even if we move up to 5 (another rumor), that would be to take curry.

but your last comment, man, that's silly. c'mon briggs, you gotta elevate your mind on this one.

if we fielded an all international team i could give two cares, as long as they can show the ability to play basketball well as a team and succeed.

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-11-2009 11:26 AM]
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6/11/2009  11:27 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

One thing for sure: if the Knicks really want pick #2, I think they have the best chance to get it with the combination of assets they have.

Pick #8
Mobley's contract
Trade exemptions
Youngsters in Gallo and The Mayor
Possible Sign-n-Trade with Nate and DLee
More money than most teams

If they want it, they sure can make a nice package for it.



You know what is funny--honestly how attractive is pick 2 for Memphis?

They already have a young C--you just drafted two PG in Mike Conley and OJ Mayo in the last two drafts. Ricky Rubio doesnt want to enter the state of Tennessee. The guy you would THINK they would want--that makes sense is Jordan Hill.

Now can they get 10mm $ from the Knicks and a future 1st to swap positions--and get that player?

Really its a somewhat of an attractive package and one that makes sense.
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6/11/2009  11:33 AM
well, memphis is under the cap, so we could deal them mobley's deal and save them cash, or also take on darko or jaric's deal with another ending (q or harrington), as well as give them the option to pay less for the 8th pick versus the 2nd.

i think the problem is that hill is probably not going to last until 8. if he does, i could then see us taking him and moving him to someone higher like hijack city or memphis for rubio, if that's the way things play out.

if the grizz want to save money, sure, but they probably want cheap players not just endings.

problem is we don't really have any cheap value players other than chandler and gallo, and i don't see us moving them at this point. chandler more so, but what does memphis want with him?

i am thinking we would have to throw in a future pick somewhere at least. but from what i've read we are not even in the top 3 teams that can give the grizz what they are looking for.

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-11-2009 11:34 AM]
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6/11/2009  11:41 AM
Would anyone do Lee and the 8 for the 2, the 24, and Darko?
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6/11/2009  11:48 AM
Posted by joec32033:

Would anyone do Lee and the 8 for the 2, the 24, and Darko?

of course, but lee would have to agree. that's a really complicated trade to make.
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6/11/2009  11:50 AM
Posted by joec32033:

Would anyone do Lee and the 8 for the 2, the 24, and Darko?

Definitely, but you can't do anything with Lee or Nate until July.


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6/11/2009  11:56 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Knicksfan:

One thing for sure: if the Knicks really want pick #2, I think they have the best chance to get it with the combination of assets they have.

Pick #8
Mobley's contract
Trade exemptions
Youngsters in Gallo and The Mayor
Possible Sign-n-Trade with Nate and DLee
More money than most teams

If they want it, they sure can make a nice package for it.



You know what is funny--honestly how attractive is pick 2 for Memphis?

They already have a young C--you just drafted two PG in Mike Conley and OJ Mayo in the last two drafts. Ricky Rubio doesnt want to enter the state of Tennessee. The guy you would THINK they would want--that makes sense is Jordan Hill.

Now can they get 10mm $ from the Knicks and a future 1st to swap positions--and get that player?

Really its a somewhat of an attractive package and one that makes sense.

Walsh will most likely not give up a future first rd pick.

I would offer #8 & Al Harrington for #2 & Darko. Harrington is exactly what they need, a guy that can play both PF&SF who can score & shoot. He also would only have 2 yrs left on his contract. At #8 they can draft BJ Mullens to be there C/PF.

They would look like

Gasol/Mullens
Harrington/Mullens/Arthur
Gay/Harrington/Warrick
Mayo/Gay/Jaric
Conley/Mayo
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6/11/2009  12:02 PM
yeah, we can't do anything officially with lee or nate until july 9th.
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6/11/2009  1:12 PM
on the whole foreign players thing... Knicks were not drafting Gallo until he blew them away in a workout

Isnt Thabeet from Africa? If Rubio played at UConn for 3 years would no longer be foreign? Is Jennings a Euro player now?
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Posted by fishmike:

on the whole foreign players thing... Knicks were not drafting Gallo until he blew them away in a workout

Isnt Thabeet from Africa? If Rubio played at UConn for 3 years would no longer be foreign? Is Jennings a Euro player now?

They all have stiff legs which automatically makes them foregin.
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6/11/2009  1:19 PM
Thabeet as the 2nd pick is going to be a bust. Thabeet as a player will be pretty good, but I don't ever see him turning into more than a rebounder/shotblocker.
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6/11/2009  1:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Thabeet as the 2nd pick is going to be a bust. Thabeet as a player will be pretty good, but I don't ever see him turning into more than a rebounder/shotblocker.
the thing that made me change my tune is I heard he's developed a reliable jumper. If he can hit a 15 footer in the flow of the offense than that changes everything IMO.

His m2m defense is still dreadful I am also hearing more and more about his work ethic

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Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Thabeet as the 2nd pick is going to be a bust. Thabeet as a player will be pretty good, but I don't ever see him turning into more than a rebounder/shotblocker.
the thing that made me change my tune is I heard he's developed a reliable jumper. If he can hit a 15 footer in the flow of the offense than that changes everything IMO.

His m2m defense is still dreadful I am also hearing more and more about his work ethic
If that's the case I will defintely jump on board with you Fish because if he has a 15footer than he's absolutely unguardable - would fit into Mike's system too.

The one thing that bothered me watching Thabeet at UConn was that he seemed like such a baby, he always looked like he was going to cry and whenever Calhoun would yell at him it looked like he would burst into tears. Now obviously I don't know anything more than I see but I just get the feeling he's a bit fragile.
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6/11/2009  2:07 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by fishmike:

on the whole foreign players thing... Knicks were not drafting Gallo until he blew them away in a workout

Isnt Thabeet from Africa? If Rubio played at UConn for 3 years would no longer be foreign? Is Jennings a Euro player now?

They all have stiff legs which automatically makes them foreign.

Are these guys foreigners too? Stiff leg goats


[Edited by - NYKBocker on 06-11-2009 2:08 PM]
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Posted by tkf:
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Posted by BRIGGS:

The Knicks have as much chance of taking Thabeet as Charles Smith has making a layup in traffic. Have the Knicks even worked out Thabeet? IMHO they would nOT take him at 8 let alone 2.


IF we get two--it's between two players--Curry and Rubio--Of course I think we should take Curry---but I still don't see it. These guys like foreign players for better or for worse. If they could have 10 of them--they would do it. I dont mind a few foreign players but this is an *American* team not Real Madrid.

Briggs, I'm not sure how you meant that, but for me, I could care less what nationality the players are on this team as long as they win.

I hate to speak for briggs, but I think he wants a few good foreign players sprinkled in. A team full of foreign players will not win a NBA championship, I think that is his point. None of those euroleague teams will come into the NBA and win, so he doesn't want to replicate a losing scenario...

Just to add to my previous post..

You're telling me that this team wouldn't win anything?

PG-tony parker
SG-manu
sf-dirk
pf-gasol
c -yao

thats just the starting line up and thats just off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing players.

they all have stiff legs
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