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Nalod
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6/3/2009  3:35 PM

This is a good example of why the 19 year old rule can work. This kid has talent but perhaps is an immature bone head.

Dairy Ass Miles is another great example. Teams wasting high picks for these kids is wasting big money.

Maybe it clicks for him at some point he hits a maturity level.

For every Rashard Lewis there are Gerald Greens waiting to mess you up!
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6/3/2009  3:43 PM
A lot of folks will disagree with me but professional sport club needs professional players (and not only players) in first place...
If they will have talent afterwards it's a bonus. If not, it's not a problem, they will have value anyways.
Pure talent is no more that cool expensive toy. I would say too expensive for serious club.
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6/3/2009  3:49 PM
He's been on what 3 teams, 2 of them terrible with all the opportunity to succeed. Yet, no success, no job, no interest from NBA teams. With that ability, I think we can conclude this is a Harold Minor situation.
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6/3/2009  3:55 PM
I think Green is more a victim of his age/experience and the depth chart. He came into the league straight out of high school and was a project at that time. In Boston, he was slotted behind Pierce and Gomes. In Minnesota, he was behind McCants and Gomes. In Dallas, he was much lower on the depth chart.

At 23, he's a year older than Wilson Chandler and pretty much plays the same position. I wouldn't say that he stinks, his per minute averages are pretty similar to Chandler's, though Wil has 20lbs more muscle to him. I think Green is the more dynamic scorer and might see some benefits from extended time on the floor in the SSOL system. But, after 4 years in the league, I think he may be what he is, you can't really bank on upside. I wouldn't hand him the starting job just yet.
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6/3/2009  3:57 PM
Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?
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6/3/2009  4:09 PM
Posted by kam77:

Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?

you have to have the capacity to learn and the willingness to put in lots of effort, from there it's just being able to put it together.

Guy like Gerald has all the physical tools but most likely lacks the above.
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6/3/2009  4:10 PM
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6/3/2009  4:10 PM
I think we are searching for a conspiracy when there isn't one. The guy doesn't play because he hasn't proved that he has the ability to stay on the court. There are no other reasons.
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6/3/2009  4:18 PM
Posted by kam77:

Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?

Basketball IQ could very well be an issue....he might not be picking up plays well or showing an intrest in getting better at the team game.

Harold Minor couldn't play basketball.....saying his name makes no sense in this arguement.
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6/3/2009  4:27 PM
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6/3/2009  4:27 PM
Hasn't he been described as the guy who will have one great game and then follow it up with 4 terrible games. He has an inconsistent pattern from every team he has played on. Not focus on defense was his issue in Boston. In Dallas it was the inconsistent issue. He may have some concentration issues. He does well when he knows he has steady playing time. JR Smith had the same issues but I don't think to the degree that Green has.

Also, Green's body hasn't develop like everyone was led to believe would naturally happen. He is still on the thin side. He gets pushed around too easy on the defensive end. Hitting the weight room and drinking some whet shakes should help some. I really don't see the committment to better his game at all.
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6/3/2009  4:29 PM
Posted by kam77:

Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?

It's not nescessarily bball IQ. It's IQ in general. If someone is receptive and learns quickly and practice comes to use, chances are, stuff like that can translate on the basketball court. So therefore...

Someone with all of that ability, to me, is one or more of the following:

1) Unliked unfairly by his coach. Highly unlikely in this case, since Green has been on multiple teams with a lot of different coaches. At least one by now has to have liked him, even a little.

2) Lazy.

3) Has such a big ego, he thinks he doesn't need to put the work in and he feels that any criticism towards him is unwarranted and totally f'ed up. Meaning, he's like Marbury except A LOT worse. However, Greens success can't be measured b/c he doesn't have ANY. No accolades. He hasn't had a "Wow me" season yet. He hasn't shown that he's a budding star. He hasn't shown signs of even being a good role player. As of now, he's still just an end of the bench player. However, he still has the ego, for whatever reason. So therefore, the next would apply....

4-A) Stupid as all hell. Low IQ in general. Or...

4-B) He's psychotic.
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6/3/2009  4:29 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by kam77:

Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?

Basketball IQ could very well be an issue....he might not be picking up plays well or showing an intrest in getting better at the team game.

Harold Minor couldn't play basketball.....saying his name makes no sense in this arguement.

They are the same guy to me until proven otherwise. Popular for dunking. People wonder why they don't develop. NBA level game takes more than having a freakish vertical. I see him tearing it up against HS kids who are physically outmatched and probably scared to defend him. It hasn't come nearly as easy to him in the NBA.
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6/3/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by kam77:

Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?

It's not nescessarily bball IQ. It's IQ in general. If someone is receptive and learns quickly and practice comes to use, chances are, stuff like that can translate on the basketball court. So therefore...

Someone with all of that ability, to me, is one or more of the following:

1) Unliked unfairly by his coach. Highly unlikely in this case, since Green has been on multiple teams with a lot of different coaches. At least one by now has to have liked him, even a little.

2) Lazy.

3) Has such a big ego, he thinks he doesn't need to put the work in and he feels that any criticism towards him is unwarranted and totally f'ed up. Meaning, he's like Marbury except A LOT worse. However, Greens success can't be measured b/c he doesn't have ANY. No accolades. He hasn't had a "Wow me" season yet. He hasn't shown that he's a budding star. He hasn't shown signs of even being a good role player. As of now, he's still just an end of the bench player. However, he still has the ego, for whatever reason. So therefore, the next would apply....

4-A) Stupid as all hell. Low IQ in general. Or...

4-B) He's psychotic.

wow. gerald green just texted me and said he's on his way to your crib to beat hell out of you.
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6/3/2009  4:49 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by kam77:

Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?

It's not nescessarily bball IQ. It's IQ in general. If someone is receptive and learns quickly and practice comes to use, chances are, stuff like that can translate on the basketball court. So therefore...

Someone with all of that ability, to me, is one or more of the following:

1) Unliked unfairly by his coach. Highly unlikely in this case, since Green has been on multiple teams with a lot of different coaches. At least one by now has to have liked him, even a little.

2) Lazy.

3) Has such a big ego, he thinks he doesn't need to put the work in and he feels that any criticism towards him is unwarranted and totally f'ed up. Meaning, he's like Marbury except A LOT worse. However, Greens success can't be measured b/c he doesn't have ANY. No accolades. He hasn't had a "Wow me" season yet. He hasn't shown that he's a budding star. He hasn't shown signs of even being a good role player. As of now, he's still just an end of the bench player. However, he still has the ego, for whatever reason. So therefore, the next would apply....

4-A) Stupid as all hell. Low IQ in general. Or...

4-B) He's psychotic.

wow. gerald green just texted me and said he's on his way to your crib to beat hell out of you.

tell him WHAT UP from his UK bros. And that he's as dumb as a block.
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6/3/2009  5:03 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

[quote]Posted by kam77:

Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?

It's not nescessarily bball IQ. It's IQ in general. If someone is receptive and learns quickly and practice comes to use, chances are, stuff like that can translate on the basketball court. So therefore...

I disagree. I have met some really smart people, lawyers and doctors that have played basketball all of their lives and have no clue how to play the game. I also have friends that can't read, can't speak, don't care about life. But you get them around the game of basketball and they know everything there is to know. If you are a smart individual with talent you have better chance of being a smart player on the court. But the two aren't 100% related.

yes, you can develop a better "basketball IQ" if you are willing to learn. This happens with 95% of the rookies in the league. Some learn more than others, but all players as they develop, improve their awareness and knowledge on the court. A lot depends on the player and a lot depends on the situation. Trevor Ariza was a dumb rookie(all rookies are dumb) when he arrived on the knicks. He then was taught the finer points of the game by Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury and became dumber. He's now on a good team in a good environment. He's learning from a great coach. He's not being told by his mentors to ignore the coach because he's mean. He's surrounded by vets like Fisher and Kobe and Gasol. Guys that really understand the game. He's learning from them, and it's obvious.
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6/3/2009  5:19 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I disagree. I have met some really smart people, lawyers and doctors that have played basketball all of their lives and have no clue how to play the game. I also have friends that can't read, can't speak, don't care about life. But you get them around the game of basketball and they know everything there is to know. If you are a smart individual with talent you have better chance of being a smart player on the court. But the two aren't 100% related.

yes, you can develop a better "basketball IQ" if you are willing to learn. This happens with 95% of the rookies in the league. Some learn more than others, but all players as they develop, improve their awareness and knowledge on the court. A lot depends on the player and a lot depends on the situation. Trevor Ariza was a dumb rookie(all rookies are dumb) when he arrived on the knicks. He then was taught the finer points of the game by Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury and became dumber. He's now on a good team in a good environment. He's learning from a great coach. He's not being told by his mentors to ignore the coach because he's mean. He's surrounded by vets like Fisher and Kobe and Gasol. Guys that really understand the game. He's learning from them, and it's obvious.

LOL. And people like Berman kept harping on the fact that the Knicks should have given Marbury a shot this year.
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6/3/2009  5:27 PM
Eny, i'd be all for signing this kid to a LLE contract & seeing what he's got if we end up drafting a PG in this draft... we have absolutely nothing to lose by doing this.
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6/3/2009  7:07 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by kam77:

Low Basketball IQ.

Can BBall IQ be taught or is it something you must be born with?

[quote]It's not nescessarily bball IQ. It's IQ in general. If someone is receptive and learns quickly and practice comes to use, chances are, stuff like that can translate on the basketball court. So therefore...

I disagree. I have met some really smart people, lawyers and doctors that have played basketball all of their lives and have no clue how to play the game. I also have friends that can't read, can't speak, don't care about life. But you get them around the game of basketball and they know everything there is to know. If you are a smart individual with talent you have better chance of being a smart player on the court. But the two aren't 100% related.

yes, you can develop a better "basketball IQ" if you are willing to learn. This happens with 95% of the rookies in the league. Some learn more than others, but all players as they develop, improve their awareness and knowledge on the court. A lot depends on the player and a lot depends on the situation. Trevor Ariza was a dumb rookie(all rookies are dumb) when he arrived on the knicks. He then was taught the finer points of the game by Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury and became dumber. He's now on a good team in a good environment. He's learning from a great coach. He's not being told by his mentors to ignore the coach because he's mean. He's surrounded by vets like Fisher and Kobe and Gasol. Guys that really understand the game. He's learning from them, and it's obvious.

Hey Bip, I hate to prove you wrong as you're doing you're "I finally proved Allanfan20 wrong, for the first time Dance" but Trevor Ariza never played with Steve Francis. He was traded for him.
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6/4/2009  2:00 AM
Posted by TMS:

Eny, i'd be all for signing this kid to a LLE contract & seeing what he's got if we end up drafting a PG in this draft... we have absolutely nothing to lose by doing this.

thats all I'm saying....

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