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6/3/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I mentioned this guy in one of my anti-Curry posts. He looked good in the combine workouts, but never seen him in full game film.

He looks like a guy who can fill Nate's 6th man role for the cheap if we can get a mid 20 pick[maybe Portlands]?


My question--pay Nate 32mm+ or go grab a new 6th man type like a Teague or this guy who can help energize the team off the bench in a 6th or 7 man role and maybe slide over to play some back up PG on occasion? It's a much cheaper route
This guy actually looks a bit better than teague--he's longer and has better form on his J.

I don't know how good this league is but shooting 62% from 2 point range and looking at his speed and ability to get to the hoop and extend those long arms--he looks like he would be a real solid player in transition and again with a nearly 7 foot wingspan and high level agility and athletic and ability--he should be a huge upgrade defensively over Nate. Nate to me is being slightly under rated--if we lose him for nothing and don't replace his athletic ability[well no one on Earth can do what he does] but this cat is more of a normal size player who really looks like a quality 6th man prospect.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-03-2009 2:07 PM]
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6/3/2009  2:05 PM
I know this guy did well at the combine and you want to talk about him but that doesn't mean watching a YouTube equals watching him play
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6/3/2009  2:09 PM
Dude looks like Dwayne Wade in these clips
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6/3/2009  2:11 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I know this guy did well at the combine and you want to talk about him but that doesn't mean watching a YouTube equals watching him play

Thats all we have--I agree with you--but the tape verifies that he does indeed have the assets --speed length athletic ability jump shot ballhandling thats in his write up. Im talking 24-27--he looks like a player who can thrive in up tempo--I think that is fair to see off of this clip.
I usually don't even consider foreign players--but I can see this player has some special qualities and he would be in the range that I consider reasonable for foreign guys.
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6/3/2009  2:20 PM
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i couldn't get through the video cause of the Thriller music.

Come on after 3 minutes you'll be moon-walking.

LOL.

i know. briggy's bringing the humor today
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Posted by GKFv2:

I thought we weren't supposed to base our decisions on draft picks on Youtube videos?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 06-02-2009 10:31 PM]

We're not. That's why there are scouts and then there are people on Ultimateknicks who think they are scouts based on watching youtube clips.
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6/3/2009  2:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I know this guy did well at the combine and you want to talk about him but that doesn't mean watching a YouTube equals watching him play

Thats all we have--I agree with you--but the tape verifies that he does indeed have the assets --speed length athletic ability jump shot ballhandling thats in his write up. Im talking 24-27--he looks like a player who can thrive in up tempo--I think that is fair to see off of this clip.
I usually don't even consider foreign players--but I can see this player has some special qualities and he would be in the range that I consider reasonable for foreign guys.

Word... I could see him falling to early-mid-20s and ending up a great value pick like Nicolas Batum.
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by nyk4ever:
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i couldn't get through the video cause of the Thriller music.

Come on after 3 minutes you'll be moon-walking.

LOL.

i know. briggy's bringing the humor today

Haha yeah.. if anyone else said it, it would be a throwaway comment, but coming from Briggs, it's comedic gold
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6/3/2009  3:10 PM
I think Barbosa is a good call for this kid. He looked straight-line fast in the Combine.

I'd be on board with a Derozan - Beaubois draft with Memphis late pick.

Beaubois/Duhon splitting point duties
Derozan/Hughes
The Mayor
The Rooster/Harrington
Donnie Darko/ JJ

Then who knows what you get with Lee and Nate's situation. Hopefully you can get Expirings and 2010 picks back.

Would certainly be some tense moments waiting through the top 8 picks to see if Derozan falls.
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6/3/2009  3:42 PM
Here's the problem with a Derozan - Beaubois draft. Neither is NBA ready. So, if you're talking about improving so we're not recruiting LBJ with a 30 win team. Whereas Curry, Evans, Holiday, Rubio will improve the team immediately and forward.
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6/3/2009  5:13 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Here's the problem with a Derozan - Beaubois draft. Neither is NBA ready. So, if you're talking about improving so we're not recruiting LBJ with a 30 win team. Whereas Curry, Evans, Holiday, Rubio will improve the team immediately and forward.

that is exactly the wrong mentality to go into this draft with... u shouldn't be passing up high upside prospects just because you want so desperately to try to sneek into the playoffs this season so we can somehow make Lebron look at us as a favorable place to go... we need to operate as if he's not coming here but keep the salary open so we can at least make a play for him or another bigname in free agency... who we draft cannot be dictated by the offchance that Lebron will sign w/us in 2010... we gotta take the kid who has the best shot of becoming a star player for us in the future period.
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6/3/2009  5:28 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Here's the problem with a Derozan - Beaubois draft. Neither is NBA ready. So, if you're talking about improving so we're not recruiting LBJ with a 30 win team. Whereas Curry, Evans, Holiday, Rubio will improve the team immediately and forward.

What did Holiday do at Ucla that would determine he is ready to start in the NBA? Ditto with Rubio?

I can physically see Tyreke Evans starting---he was the starting PG for a team that won 26 games in a row and was the best player on the floor in the game they lost--showing what he could do in uptempo. Curry is mentally and physically ready in terms of game mind and as we can see his body is better than anticipated.


Rubio might need 2 years of development time and Holiday is not starting at PG on day 1 in the NBA. If people are clocking on Mullens *production*--take a hard look at some of Holidays games this year.

Demar Derozan was much more productive than Holiday at the end of the year--Pac 10 tourney MVP and played well in the tourney. If it was me I would take Derozan over Holiday.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-03-2009 5:30 PM]
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6/3/2009  6:58 PM
This guy Rodrigue beaubois looks more impressive then ricky rubio this guy can really shot the rock and looks really fast. He reminds me of tony parker with a jump shot. Ricky rubio is not nba ready yet and it going to take him a longer time for him to adjust to nba then a steph or jrue holiday. To say Demar derozen isn't ready is just plain crazy this kid could be the best player in draft when it all done with. You guys give ricky rubio to much hype for doing abosolutly nothing really what has ricky rubio done to get this hype. This guy will be back in spain when is contract expires and you guys are really going to be shock how bad this ricky rubio does.
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6/3/2009  9:36 PM
Posted by lumbardar:

This guy Rodrigue beaubois looks more impressive then ricky rubio this guy can really shot the rock and looks really fast. He reminds me of tony parker with a jump shot. Ricky rubio is not nba ready yet and it going to take him a longer time for him to adjust to nba then a steph or jrue holiday. To say Demar derozen isn't ready is just plain crazy this kid could be the best player in draft when it all done with. You guys give ricky rubio to much hype for doing abosolutly nothing really what has ricky rubio done to get this hype. This guy will be back in spain when is contract expires and you guys are really going to be shock how bad this ricky rubio does.

Rubio is an innate 1--you can tell he is a pure 1 with God-given point guard skills--he's pure and obviously knows basketball very well at an early age. He cant shoot hes on the skinny side I have no idea about his true fundamental skill without the flair[meaning will this guy be a TO machine?]hes foreign with a big time contract so there are many variables there of just exactly what he will eventually turn to + the possibilities of having a Vazquez problem at pick 2--extremely scary stuff.

--this guy looks like Leandro barbosa--more of a combo guard who looks like he could be a great 6th man in the up tempo game. Is it worth spending 3mm + the cost of the pick in the 20's? versus paying Nate 35mm? I think so--this guy looks a very nice fit in that 6th man position--look what Barbosa does for Pheonix. Look how he palms the ball in that one lay up sequence[obviously must have huge hands]--he has all of the physical intangibles to be a good player. And thats what the draft is all about--getting good young players who fit your system
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Posted by purple012870:

Here's the problem with a Derozan - Beaubois draft. Neither is NBA ready. So, if you're talking about improving so we're not recruiting LBJ with a 30 win team. Whereas Curry, Evans, Holiday, Rubio will improve the team immediately and forward.

that is exactly the wrong mentality to go into this draft with... u shouldn't be passing up high upside prospects just because you want so desperately to try to sneek into the playoffs this season so we can somehow make Lebron look at us as a favorable place to go... we need to operate as if he's not coming here but keep the salary open so we can at least make a play for him or another bigname in free agency... who we draft cannot be dictated by the offchance that Lebron will sign w/us in 2010... we gotta take the kid who has the best shot of becoming a star player for us in the future period.

I know what you mean. I hear that there's a recruiting aspect to the number of wins we can get in 2009-10. However, I think that having a point, off guard, and center that are not mismatches every night is going to get you more wins. Having two slashing guards on the floor with a center who has some range and forwards with range would lead to a lot more trips to the line and conversions at the line. We'd be able to run the 7 seconds or less offense. Derozan might give you a better matchup against key opponents in the East like Vince and Pierce.

I think you could get your way into the playoffs just as well. Curry's going to get beat on defense. I don't care what delusions people have after seeing him get four steals against Sister Mary of the Blind. Derozan is a much more solid add on both ends of the ball.

Tyreke is going to be a good player. I would not have any problem drafting him. I've been watching some of his game film recently though and he does make some bad decisions late in games at times. If you watch the last few minutes of the Tenn game that they just barely won he has several bad plays.

He would step in and be able to play defense and take it to the hole, but I do worry that it will take a while for him to become the decision maker we need.



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Posted by BRIGGS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbcchx0ipwA

Wow this kid looks exciting and perfect for this system--kind of like Leandra Barbosa--this guy could be a candidate for sure if we get a second pick to replace Nate in the mid 20's--he caught my eye when I was going through the physicals because he has some freakish numbers and found this 6 minute video--he looks like a serious player --cat quick athletic and obviously a two way player who can looks like he will excel in the transition game and still shoot it from deep


Yes - I noticed him during the combines (made some extra fancy passes) and his athleticism was top of the charts.

His stats were very mediocre and I heard the knock on him is his SHOT.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbcchx0ipwA

Wow this kid looks exciting and perfect for this system--kind of like Leandra Barbosa--this guy could be a candidate for sure if we get a second pick to replace Nate in the mid 20's--he caught my eye when I was going through the physicals because he has some freakish numbers and found this 6 minute video--he looks like a serious player --cat quick athletic and obviously a two way player who can looks like he will excel in the transition game and still shoot it from deep


Yes - I noticed him during the combines (made some extra fancy passes) and his athleticism was top of the charts.

His stats were very mediocre and I heard the knock on him is his SHOT.

I think Tayler H and Mullens are going to be either in or on the bubble of the lottery--i.e 10-16 for both.

After that I don't think the second round of bigs are worthy of being picked in the 20s before this kid. What you have left pretty much is second round talent that might make it to round 1 because of supply and demand. Taj Gibson--214 pounds and did not grade out too well athletically. I like Pendegraph as a late 1 but this kid looks more explsosive and the 6th man position is more important than a back up 4 or undersized 5.

You could play this kid Curry and Chandler as a big guard and that would be one helluva three guard line up. You have a lot of firepower and diversity. And Dolan would like it because he could sell the Knick name in France

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-04-2009 8:16 PM]

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Posted by JohnWallace44:
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Posted by purple012870:

Here's the problem with a Derozan - Beaubois draft. Neither is NBA ready. So, if you're talking about improving so we're not recruiting LBJ with a 30 win team. Whereas Curry, Evans, Holiday, Rubio will improve the team immediately and forward.

that is exactly the wrong mentality to go into this draft with... u shouldn't be passing up high upside prospects just because you want so desperately to try to sneek into the playoffs this season so we can somehow make Lebron look at us as a favorable place to go... we need to operate as if he's not coming here but keep the salary open so we can at least make a play for him or another bigname in free agency... who we draft cannot be dictated by the offchance that Lebron will sign w/us in 2010... we gotta take the kid who has the best shot of becoming a star player for us in the future period.

I know what you mean. I hear that there's a recruiting aspect to the number of wins we can get in 2009-10. However, I think that having a point, off guard, and center that are not mismatches every night is going to get you more wins. Having two slashing guards on the floor with a center who has some range and forwards with range would lead to a lot more trips to the line and conversions at the line. We'd be able to run the 7 seconds or less offense. Derozan might give you a better matchup against key opponents in the East like Vince and Pierce.

I think you could get your way into the playoffs just as well. Curry's going to get beat on defense. I don't care what delusions people have after seeing him get four steals against Sister Mary of the Blind. Derozan is a much more solid add on both ends of the ball.

Tyreke is going to be a good player. I would not have any problem drafting him. I've been watching some of his game film recently though and he does make some bad decisions late in games at times. If you watch the last few minutes of the Tenn game that they just barely won he has several bad plays.

He would step in and be able to play defense and take it to the hole, but I do worry that it will take a while for him to become the decision maker we need.


from what i've been reading about Evans from you & some other posters, i wouldn't have a problem drafting him either... haven't watched him play at all last year so i'm deferring to you guys who have... all i know is what i saw outta Demar impressed me a ton last season... & i agree, we gotta try not to have so many mismatches every night... enough of the undersized frontcourt & undersized backcourt BS... look at all the teams in the final 4 of the NBA playoffs this year, they all had legit sized players manning each position... no undersized SG's starting on any team w/the sole exception of CLE (& they have Lebron, we don't), & they all had a legit C patrolling the paint who could block some shots... how awesome did someone like JR Smith look in the playoffs? someone w/size who could handle the ball & make plays for himself & for his teammates... how great did Ariza look making plays on defense using his length & athletic ability?
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6/7/2009  2:16 PM
http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/06/07/who-is-rodrigue-beaubois/

nice writeup on Rodrigue

you take that and the Lee - Portland S&T rumors and I can see what's going on

Offseason of Outlaw - RodBeau and something else with either a second Portland pick or a purchased pick.

If we pulled off that trade and the rumored Memphis deal that would be something
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Posted by JohnWallace44:

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/06/07/who-is-rodrigue-beaubois/

nice writeup on Rodrigue

you take that and the Lee - Portland S&T rumors and I can see what's going on

Offseason of Outlaw - RodBeau and something else with either a second Portland pick or a purchased pick.

If we pulled off that trade and the rumored Memphis deal that would be something

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