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DrAlphaeus
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6/3/2009 10:20 AM
I wonder which tells us more: mediocre freshman season out of position in the Pac-10 or great junior season out of position in the Southern Conference?
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Panos
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6/3/2009 10:29 AM
Guys, frankly I think this argument is a waste of time. Curry is not going to fall to 8, IMO.
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BRIGGS
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6/3/2009 10:29 AM
The Knicks want either Rubio or Curry--after that they are going to be scking on their thumbs.
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Panos
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6/3/2009 10:31 AM
Posted by BRIGGS: Then there is going to be plenty of thumbsucking. Neither will be on the board. |
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nyk4ever
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6/3/2009 10:32 AM
Posted by BRIGGS: It seems like they are pretty interested in Holliday too... "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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JohnWallace44
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6/3/2009 11:38 AM
People, there are only seven draft spots ahead of us.
Griffo, Rubio, Thabeet and Harden are four of those. That leaves three wild-cards. If Curry is one of them, then better players will drop to the number eight slot. There are more than enough players that we should be happy to get at eight no matter what. Derozan, Evans, Holiday, and Hill round out the top tier players. So, if Curry goes ahead of us, we'll have two players out of Derozan, Evans, Holiday and Hill to choose from. That's not bad is it? I think #8 is actually a good spot to be sitting in terms of value. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34071 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
6/3/2009 11:45 AM
I feel like I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't be happy with a Holiday selection. Seems like there is almost always a UCLA guard that gets taken because of potential and almost always performs like crap, Westbrook being the note-worthy exception (and I wanted him because of his defensive prowess). Well, holiday doesn't remind me of Westbrook at all except for him being a tweener... but here Holiday is a ball-dominant tweener. Ew.
Maybe I'm wrong about Holiday and Curry, but I think Curry has more potential than a lot of people give him credit for and actually has some noteworthy lines in his bio... DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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nixluva
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6/3/2009 11:57 AM
The big diff between Holliday and Curry is that Curry has actually had a chance to show something! What the hell has Holliday ever done? In comparison they're night and day. Curry put Davidson on the map and was pretty much the only one on his team of note. He's also got the pedigree and BB IQ, which we still don't know if Holliday has. With Holliday it's all potential. I'm not hating on him, just stating facts. In the draft you sometimes have to be able to project talent, but Curry is a more known quantity.
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martin
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6/3/2009 12:02 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander: How can you say that Holiday is a tweener and not acknowledge that Curry would also be a tweener? It's my understanding that Holiday is a pure PG who was asked to play off the ball because Collison (starting PG for UCLA) unexpectedly decided to come back for another year. I also thought that Westbrook's D and Holiday's D were of the same caliber, but I could be wrong. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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JohnWallace44
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6/3/2009 1:01 PM
Holiday is a big dude and will play D with anybody in this draft. He's a high upside guy. If you want to play it safe and go with a Sweetney, Frye type of pick, fine. Take Curry. If you want a boom or bust type of guy, then you're with me and you want Holiday/Derozan/Evans. Except that, with their size, I'm not sure to what extent they can actually bust.
 FYI, Maynor went for 21, 7 assists and 6 boards in this game, benefited by going 10-13 from the line . Holiday went for 13, 6 dimes and 1 board. UCLA won by 1 point. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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SupremeCommander
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6/3/2009 1:08 PM
Posted by martin:Posted by SupremeCommander: Well, me neglecting to mention Curry's lack of development was a classic oversight on my part... I consider Curry a fledgling point though, not a tweener. He played PG last season and needs to evolve and develop, but has made the commitment to the position and shown significant progress after a year at the position That is probably why Holiday was a point, I'm not too sure to be honest. So maybe he is a legitimate point prospect and maybe that's why he completely underwhelmed this past season. I'm skeptical though because when I saw him he only made an impact with the ball in his hands. As for the defense thing, no. They're not in the same class. Westbrook was on par with Corey Brewer with his defensive impact of the game, largely because of Westbrook's combination of length, height, and weight... just compare their builds   DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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martin
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6/3/2009 1:09 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44: How can you NOT label Curry as a boom or bust type of guy? Dude averaged 27 a game, carried his team all this year and deep into the Madness of March last year, high BBIQ, etc. Curry is waaaaayyyyy different than Frye, Sweetney. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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newyorknewyork
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6/3/2009 1:17 PM
So far the Knicks have said that they want Rubio, Curry, Thabeet, Derozen, Holiday.
Someone is going to fall to the Knicks at 8. Griff Thabeet Rubio Harden Hill Jennings Curry Derozen Then there is Holiday, Flynn, Evans, Mullens https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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Ira
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6/3/2009 1:52 PM
I think there are five players that we can count on being gone before we pick - Griffin, Rubio, Thabeet, DeRozan and Harden. If we end up with either Curry or Holiday, I'll be happy.
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Panos
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6/3/2009 3:01 PM
Isn't there anyone with stiff legs and a bad back available at #8?
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Too late for the subterfuge