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Curry had a 35.5 vertical and did 185X10 in the combine-pretty good numbers
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6/2/2009  7:35 PM
What I like a lot about Curry is that as a SG, he was accustomed to playing off the ball. As a newly minted PG, he didn't overly control the ball in spite of his incredibly high scoring and assist numbers. His game isn't take guys off the dribble 1-on-5.

It'll be curious to see where he ends up - but based on the buzz around him, it wouldn't be outside the realm of reason for him to go top 3 or 4.

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6/2/2009  7:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Jack (New York, NY): Hey Chad, it sounds like Stephen Curry caught a lot of GMs' attention at the combine. What's the likelihood of a team drafting him or trading up for him before the Knicks at #8. Should we be worried about losing him to someone else, or will he still be there for us?

SportsNation Chad Ford: I think his window starts at OKC at No. 3, the Wizards take a look at him at No. 5, Wolves at 6 and Warriors at 7. The most likely scenario is that he goes 8 to the Knicks. But yes, he was impressive and I just got the combine results and he looked good. He had an impressive 35.5 inch vertical and surprisingly benched the 185 pound bar 10 times. He's stronger and more explosive than you think.


Im beginning to suspect that Curry may become the number 1 PG prospect--ahead of Rubio. He's got size better athleticism and strength than thought of--he can shoot it way better than Rubio hes as ready to play as anyone in this draft--there are no buyout issues he doesnt come froma foreign country hes not 18 etc.........

Im suspecting Curry to go anywhere 2 through 5 but not lower in this draft.
well... if Curry goes first then someone like Tyreke Evans will fall, and by the time of the draft he will be 6'11, 275lbs with an 8 foot wingspan

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6/2/2009  10:06 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Jack (New York, NY): Hey Chad, it sounds like Stephen Curry caught a lot of GMs' attention at the combine. What's the likelihood of a team drafting him or trading up for him before the Knicks at #8. Should we be worried about losing him to someone else, or will he still be there for us?

SportsNation Chad Ford: I think his window starts at OKC at No. 3, the Wizards take a look at him at No. 5, Wolves at 6 and Warriors at 7. The most likely scenario is that he goes 8 to the Knicks. But yes, he was impressive and I just got the combine results and he looked good. He had an impressive 35.5 inch vertical and surprisingly benched the 185 pound bar 10 times. He's stronger and more explosive than you think.


Im beginning to suspect that Curry may become the number 1 PG prospect--ahead of Rubio. He's got size better athleticism and strength than thought of--he can shoot it way better than Rubio hes as ready to play as anyone in this draft--there are no buyout issues he doesnt come froma foreign country hes not 18 etc.........

Im suspecting Curry to go anywhere 2 through 5 but not lower in this draft.

Agreed. I really like this kid for us A LOT. I think he might be gone by 8 though so I wouldn't mind Walsh trying to orchestrate a move up in this draft to get him.

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-02-2009 10:13 PM]
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6/2/2009  10:31 PM
I like both Curry and Holiday. I prefer Curry because he has the ability to carry a team's offense on his back. I'd be happy with Holiday because of his very good d and his solid all around game.
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6/2/2009  10:37 PM
I really don't get why some are so against Curry. He's got the pedigree and he was obviously well schooled by his dad and being around the NBA as a kid. He's simply unfazed by the big stage. For him to literally carry his school to the heights that he did shows me that he's a winning player PERIOD! Now if we end up getting him i'd be pleased, tho in this draft there are other very good prospects we could draft as well, so I think we're in a no lose situation in that sense. I just think he's the right guy for this team. Holliday would also be a perfect fit IMO.

So we know Curry is fearless, he's smart, has leadership ability we've been dying for, a great jumper, he's stronger and more athletic than we thought and he already has shown he can run the point. What else would we want. Fears that he's gonna be abused by other NBA PG's seem to be a bit overstated IMO.
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6/2/2009  10:40 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't get why some are so against Curry. He's got the pedigree and he was obviously well schooled by his dad and being around the NBA as a kid. He's simply unfazed by the big stage. For him to literally carry his school to the heights that he did shows me that he's a winning player PERIOD! Now if we end up getting him i'd be pleased, tho in this draft there are other very good prospects we could draft as well, so I think we're in a no lose situation in that sense. I just think he's the right guy for this team. Holliday would also be a perfect fit IMO.

So we know Curry is fearless, he's smart, has leadership ability we've been dying for, a great jumper, he's stronger and more athletic than we thought and he already has shown he can run the point. What else would we want. Fears that he's gonna be abused by other NBA PG's seem to be a bit overstated IMO.

Absolutely well stated Nix. I agree with you 100%
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6/3/2009  12:11 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't get why some are so against Curry.

speaking for myself, i'm not so dead set against Curry, it's just i prefer some other prospects over him... if those guys i like are off the board then i'm not gonna be crying if we take Curry... he's a nice looking prospect too.
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6/3/2009  9:48 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't get why some are so against Curry. He's got the pedigree and he was obviously well schooled by his dad and being around the NBA as a kid. He's simply unfazed by the big stage. For him to literally carry his school to the heights that he did shows me that he's a winning player PERIOD! Now if we end up getting him i'd be pleased, tho in this draft there are other very good prospects we could draft as well, so I think we're in a no lose situation in that sense. I just think he's the right guy for this team. Holliday would also be a perfect fit IMO.

So we know Curry is fearless, he's smart, has leadership ability we've been dying for, a great jumper, he's stronger and more athletic than we thought and he already has shown he can run the point. What else would we want. Fears that he's gonna be abused by other NBA PG's seem to be a bit overstated IMO.

We're against Curry because we're sick and tired of the Knicks being a soft, powder puff team that intimidates nobody

If you saw Curry at the park today, you would be looking to post him up immediately. If you walk out on the court and you see Evans/Derozan/Holiday, then its a different story. Then you're like, "um I think I hear my mom calling me."

I want a physical player at the guard spots like Kidd, Deron Williams, Steve Smith, etc. I just believe that those players and their size relative to their position gives you an advantage every night.
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6/3/2009  10:55 AM
Some guys are stronger than they look, mainly due to body composition. Curry isn't weak, he's just not bulky. In terms of size he's what an inch or so shorter than Jrue? I know he doesn't have long arms, but he still managed to get a ton of steals, which tells me his instincts and reaction time are quick and he plays close enough to his opponent to get in there and disrupt his dribble.

Gary Payton was never a bulky guy, but he was wiry and it could be that Curry is more like that than we thought. You seem to be focusing on the physical, which I think is not always the most important thing. I think Curry has heart and plenty of it, so I don't expect him to roll over for a bulkier PG. The guy is 6-3.25 and he may yet grow some more. You know what's intimidating? When a guy is poppin shots from all angles in your face and you can't stop it. That's what a guy like Curry does to you. He's got that baby face and it's hard to take that he's bustin you in he arse.

The Knicks don't have to have a bunch of roughnecks. The magic aren't tough, they just have Dwight and it makes them seem tough. The other guys on the team are mostly finesse players, but they've learned to play harder as a team and it doesn't hurt to have a beast like Dwight behind you to have your back. That's probably the next biggest issue we have. A real shotblockin C.
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6/3/2009  11:02 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't get why some are so against Curry.

speaking for myself, i'm not so dead set against Curry, it's just i prefer some other prospects over him... if those guys i like are off the board then i'm not gonna be crying if we take Curry... he's a nice looking prospect too.

that is a very fair way to look at things. I agree. I just hate that some people don't want curry as if we are passing up a superstar talent at pick #8.. pretty much after blake griffin, there are a lot of flawed players in this draft...you can almost include blake in that argument....

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6/3/2009  11:33 AM
Does a Curry, Rip Hamilton comp make sense?
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6/3/2009  11:56 AM
Hamilton's 6'7 and has the biggest engine in the NBA since Reggie, so yeah I think you're being a little unfair to any rook making that comparison at this stage. Even as a projection, it doesnt really work because of the height diff.

I would project Curry to KevMart more then anyone else, but hes got better ballhandling skills. EDIT. Upon reflection Martins 6'6 so he has the advantage there.

[Edited by - firefly on 06-03-2009 11:57 AM]
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6/3/2009  1:04 PM
You can't compare Curry to Reggie or Rip. Maybe he can shoot the lights out and he can run off the ball, but his height and his diminuative wingspan puts him at a severe disadvantage on both ends.

Heck, just look at Ben Gordon. He has a 6'9" wingspan or so and he struggles a lot defensively. And that's the type of player you'd expect Curry to be like with his shooting ability.

If you can't get Thabeet or Hill, then big guards are the way to go.
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6/3/2009  2:31 PM
...Just look at the kid. How is he going to stop anybody?...

Well, there's some nice analysis. If you watched all that game tape, surely you noticed that the only player who smoked Curry all year was Patrick MIlls. It could have been the ankle but whatever it was, Curry lost that matchup. The rest of the year, he went up against nice players, often bigger players, time and again and held them well below their averages and generally toasted anyone who tangled with him. No, he's not terribly intimidating to look at but he's a solid defensive player with excellent anticipation, quick hands, and a head on his shoulders. I don't get the hate Curry business. Is he MJII? Nah. Does he have the potential to be a Nash or a Kidd? Yup. Is he worth the 8th pick, assuming he's available? Well, it depends on what the Knicks plans are but, right now, they need a PG and Curry's clearly near the top of the class.
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6/3/2009  5:08 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't get why some are so against Curry.

speaking for myself, i'm not so dead set against Curry, it's just i prefer some other prospects over him... if those guys i like are off the board then i'm not gonna be crying if we take Curry... he's a nice looking prospect too.

that is a very fair way to look at things. I agree. I just hate that some people don't want curry as if we are passing up a superstar talent at pick #8.. pretty much after blake griffin, there are a lot of flawed players in this draft...you can almost include blake in that argument....

not so fast... if Derozan is on the board at #8 & we take Curry, then i'll be one of those people bro.
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6/3/2009  10:54 PM
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

...Just look at the kid. How is he going to stop anybody?...

Well, there's some nice analysis. If you watched all that game tape, surely you noticed that the only player who smoked Curry all year was Patrick MIlls. It could have been the ankle but whatever it was, Curry lost that matchup. The rest of the year, he went up against nice players, often bigger players, time and again and held them well below their averages and generally toasted anyone who tangled with him. No, he's not terribly intimidating to look at but he's a solid defensive player with excellent anticipation, quick hands, and a head on his shoulders. I don't get the hate Curry business. Is he MJII? Nah. Does he have the potential to be a Nash or a Kidd? Yup. Is he worth the 8th pick, assuming he's available? Well, it depends on what the Knicks plans are but, right now, they need a PG and Curry's clearly near the top of the class.

Bro, I've put up so many stats in other threads, but just watch the combine footage that Briggs posted. Holiday is a man among boys for one thing. Other things that you'll notice is that Maynor still has a messed up shot. Collison looks like a steal where he's projected. Beaubois is wicked fast in a straight line... and you'll also see that Curry looks good. He looks composed and can knock down a shot. The other guards clang a lot of shots, but Holiday has a smooth shot.

Its clear when you watch it that Holiday is a lottery pick.

If Warren and some of the other big college guards were still in it then it wouldn't be such a stark comparison.

The commentators say something like, "Holiday looks like a power forward out there." And he does.

I want that on my Knicks team. Bring me back to the Harper days. I want a size advantage at some position. Holiday Evans and Derozan. I keep saying it over and over again, but they have to be the only options.

The Curry lovers want us to come down and have him flip up jumpers every time. No thank you. I've seen his shooting percentage.

I want our point to come down and post the opposing point up every time and start the offense that way. Imagine Holiday or Evans coming down and initiating the offense by posting up smaller guards and kicking it out to 3 point shooters that they are facing like Gallo, Chandler, and Al Jr.

It would be something like Seattle's 90's offense with Payton posting up smaller guards and kicking out to Detlef and Sleepy Sam Perkins.

That's a winning offense. Having another chucker who can't physically man up on the other end is not a winning strategy.
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6/4/2009  12:54 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
The Curry lovers want us to come down and have him flip up jumpers every time. No thank you. I've seen his shooting percentage.

I want our point to come down and post the opposing point up every time and start the offense that way. Imagine Holiday or Evans coming down and initiating the offense by posting up smaller guards and kicking it out to 3 point shooters that they are facing like Gallo, Chandler, and Al Jr.

It would be something like Seattle's 90's offense with Payton posting up smaller guards and kicking out to Detlef and Sleepy Sam Perkins.

That's a winning offense. Having another chucker who can't physically man up on the other end is not a winning strategy.

Man what are you talking about? Why would we want our offense to be about PG post ups? There's nothing really wrong with wanting a big guard and really aside from his slight build Curry isn't a small PG!!! He's got good height tho only normal arm length, but he makes up for that with his overall skill and reaction time. I'd have no problem with Holliday, but he's a project and you don't know if he'll ever become the player his talent suggests he could be. I feel much more sure of what Curry is already. HE'S A FREAKIN WINNER!!!!

Back to the offensive observations. You do realize that we run a high pick and roll offense and that we don't NEED a big post up PG to run the offense effectively? Tell me, can a team really play much better offense than MDA's teams have when they have the right elements? Curry has great vision and accurate passing to go along with his great shooting and big heart. We have to see if Holliday has all of that, cuz it's still early for him and there isn't much to go on yet. If we end up with Holliday, I hope and pray that he does live up to his potential.

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6/4/2009  1:10 AM
I would really like to get curry and I don't mind him because this kid actually has talent and would be a good pick for us and he fits this system right. My only concern I think he won't be there at 8 pick because he is having great workouts and he is impressing lot of teams and wouldn't be surprized if he went in the top 5. There a lot of teams that are very intersted in him so i don't think we will get him at 8 i see him going to the thunder i think he will be the second point guard taking.
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6/4/2009  1:48 AM
...I've seen his shooting percentage...

I was worried about that for a while but if you watch a game or two, you'll notice that Curry nearly always takes the shot when there's less than 5 seconds on the shot clock. He always takes the shot at the end of a quarter. Subtract two of those a game and his shooting percentage is where it should be, more or less. I'd guess he'll end up a significantly more accurate shooter than, oh, Marbury or Kidd but not as sharp as, oh, Houston.
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6/4/2009  1:58 AM
i feel very good about curry or jonny showtime flynn.
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Curry had a 35.5 vertical and did 185X10 in the combine-pretty good numbers

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