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King1
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5/31/2009  9:59 PM
If we can get Curry at 8 I wont scream bloody nurder. Trade down and get Mullins, Holiday, or Mills get two of them and it is a great draft. Get one of Portalnd 100 second round picks and take a Marcus Thorten.
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6/1/2009  1:39 AM
Posted by King1:

TMS I will help you out he shot 18% from three so he would be a perfect fit for the Knicks. I would take Holiday before Derozen

Derozan's not only more physically gifted, athletic & way more explosive than Holiday, but he also outplayed him head to head all 3 times when their teams played each other last year... just take a look at the head to head i posted the other day comparing the 2 & tell me how Holiday is a better prospect than Derozan... Holiday's an interesting prospect but you'd have to be nuts to take him over Derozan IMO.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-31-2009 10:40 PM]
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6/1/2009  8:58 AM
If we want to go with what people did in college Hansbrough will be better than anyone to ever play in the ACC. Holiday can play some point. Derozen cant put the ball on the deck and cant really creat against a equally gifted athlete
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6/1/2009  9:02 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by King1:

TMS I will help you out he shot 18% from three so he would be a perfect fit for the Knicks. I would take Holiday before Derozen

Derozan's not only more physically gifted, athletic & way more explosive than Holiday, but he also outplayed him head to head all 3 times when their teams played each other last year... just take a look at the head to head i posted the other day comparing the 2 & tell me how Holiday is a better prospect than Derozan... Holiday's an interesting prospect but you'd have to be nuts to take him over Derozan IMO.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-31-2009 10:40 PM]

Looking at those boxscore, it looks to me like DeRozan really took Holiday in the last game, but in the 2nd game I'd give the edge to Holiday (nearly a triple double) and the first game, pretty equal.

Either way, I don't think any of the "going up against each other" means anything.
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6/1/2009  5:02 PM
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TMS I will help you out he shot 18% from three so he would be a perfect fit for the Knicks. I would take Holiday before Derozen

Derozan's not only more physically gifted, athletic & way more explosive than Holiday, but he also outplayed him head to head all 3 times when their teams played each other last year... just take a look at the head to head i posted the other day comparing the 2 & tell me how Holiday is a better prospect than Derozan... Holiday's an interesting prospect but you'd have to be nuts to take him over Derozan IMO.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-31-2009 10:40 PM]

Looking at those boxscore, it looks to me like DeRozan really took Holiday in the last game, but in the 2nd game I'd give the edge to Holiday (nearly a triple double) and the first game, pretty equal.

Either way, I don't think any of the "going up against each other" means anything.

13 / 5 / 7 is pretty far away from being a triple double bro... Derozan put up 15 / 8 / 1 that game... i'll say it was pretty even only because UCLA won that game.
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6/1/2009  5:05 PM
Posted by King1:

If we want to go with what people did in college Hansbrough will be better than anyone to ever play in the ACC. Holiday can play some point. Derozen cant put the ball on the deck and cant really creat against a equally gifted athlete

i'm not going off what people did in college, you are... i'm basing my projection of Derozan based on the promise he showed in HS & towards the latter end of last season at USC where he really stepped up & became a go to guy for their offense... don't tell me a guy who completely schooled James Harden last year twice isn't a top prospect in this draft when Harden is widely projected to go top 5 by most mock draft boards.
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6/1/2009  5:27 PM
Posted by TMS:
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Posted by King1:

TMS I will help you out he shot 18% from three so he would be a perfect fit for the Knicks. I would take Holiday before Derozen

Derozan's not only more physically gifted, athletic & way more explosive than Holiday, but he also outplayed him head to head all 3 times when their teams played each other last year... just take a look at the head to head i posted the other day comparing the 2 & tell me how Holiday is a better prospect than Derozan... Holiday's an interesting prospect but you'd have to be nuts to take him over Derozan IMO.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-31-2009 10:40 PM]

Looking at those boxscore, it looks to me like DeRozan really took Holiday in the last game, but in the 2nd game I'd give the edge to Holiday (nearly a triple double) and the first game, pretty equal.

Either way, I don't think any of the "going up against each other" means anything.

13 / 5 / 7 is pretty far away from being a triple double bro... Derozan put up 15 / 8 / 1 that game... i'll say it was pretty even only because UCLA won that game.

My bad, I thought it was 13/8/7.. still a good game. I just don't think you can judge players like that. I'd be happy with either guy.
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6/1/2009  5:38 PM
Did Holiday and DeRozan guard each other the entire game?

I would also add that one of them is a PG candidate, while the other is a SG, and possible a SF. DeRozan is bigger than Holiday- no doubt about it.


I would have no problem with either of them, but did they really go "head to head?"

Just wondering.
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6/1/2009  6:04 PM
no, they didn't guard each other on the other end of the floor... Derozan was playing the wing F position while Holiday was playing the 2... i'm just saying when u watch the game highlights u can see how much more exlosive & physically imposing Derozan is compared to Holiday... u can see that Derozan has very nice elevation & form on his jumpshot too... focusing too much on that 18% shooting stat is misleading IMO... he shot a great % from the 3 in HS so we know he's got the ability to shoot the ball... all he needs is to build consistency w/his shot.

here's a highlight clip of his 3rd game vs. UCLA last year in the Pac 10 tournament... (Holiday scored 1 pt. in this game in 31 minutes)




here's Derozan completely schooling James Harden in the Pac 10 championship game & leading the Trojans back from a double digit deficit in the 2nd to win the title:




here u can see Derozan's game is not only dunking & athleticism... he CAN shoot the rock from the perimeter & he can post up smaller G's & knock down a turn around fadeaway:




don't get me wrong, i'm not badmouthing Holiday, i think he's a nice prospect, but there's no way i would take Holiday over him if both were available when it's our turn to pick.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-01-2009 3:10 PM]
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6/1/2009  7:23 PM
Derozen doenst pass the ball and all they will do is go underneath the screen on him. He has a one dribble spin move and that is about it. I will take Curry or trade down I wont change my mind.
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6/1/2009  7:24 PM
i don't care if u change ur mind or not, i'm just providing evidence why your opinions about him are baseless generalizations based on a single stat... if you've watched him play at all this year you would know he's a better shooter than you're giving him credit for.
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6/2/2009  2:40 PM
So is Wilson better three point shooter than the 30% he shot? If you shoot under 40 percent from the field then you shouldnt shoot that much. Holiday is better than Derozen IMO and this draft sucks. You said Derozen would average more than 16 points a game before his third year like Lee. Will he lead the league in doubles-doubles and get 12 rebounds a game?
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6/2/2009  3:12 PM
Posted by King1:

So is Wilson better three point shooter than the 30% he shot? If you shoot under 40 percent from the field then you shouldnt shoot that much. Holiday is better than Derozen IMO and this draft sucks. You said Derozen would average more than 16 points a game before his third year like Lee. Will he lead the league in doubles-doubles and get 12 rebounds a game?

From January onward Chandler shot 34% from 3point land. Progress.

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6/2/2009  5:45 PM
Posted by King1:

So is Wilson better three point shooter than the 30% he shot? If you shoot under 40 percent from the field then you shouldnt shoot that much. Holiday is better than Derozen IMO and this draft sucks. You said Derozen would average more than 16 points a game before his third year like Lee. Will he lead the league in doubles-doubles and get 12 rebounds a game?

i said his 4th year... last year was Lee's 4th... & i dunno if he'll lead the league in double doubles but i am guessing he stands a good chance of averaging a lot more than 16 ppg at his peak... i'm projecting this kid to be a Vince Carter type talent... & i'll take that over D Lee anyday of the week & twice on Sundays.
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6/2/2009  5:59 PM
I would also I think he would be Harold Miner and the two guys and the only two guys I wanted we EG and Courtney Lee and I am not so sure Derozen will be better than Lee.
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6/2/2009  6:22 PM
Harold Miner? where do u come up w/these comparisons? he's completely different in stature & size than Derozan, not to mention he was a year older (21) than Derozan will be (20) when he breaks into the NBA & Miner was a junior at USC before he declared while Derozan's only a freshman... Derozan's only 19 & already demonstrating skills that will easily translate over to the NBA game.

what do EG & Courtney Lee have to do w/this conversation about Derozan? do u see me comparing Derozan to those guys anywhere in my posts?
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6/2/2009  7:49 PM
Is this the first Harold Miner reference on this board? There has to be a prize for that or something...

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6/2/2009  8:28 PM
Miner was two inches shorter than Derozen. He cant shoot and he can put the ball on the ground or pass.
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6/3/2009  5:58 AM
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So is Wilson better three point shooter than the 30% he shot? If you shoot under 40 percent from the field then you shouldnt shoot that much.

Derozan shot 52% from the field & only attempted 36 3-pointers last year... it's not like he was chucking away every chance he got... most games either he didn't even attempt a 3 pointer or just attempted just 1 & the most he's ever attempted in a single game was 3... Wilson Chandler shot 21% from the 3 his freshman year in college & he's got his 3 pt. shooting up to 33% in his 2nd year in the NBA, so it's not too much of a reach to think Derozan can get his averages up too.

anyway, it's not like perimeter shooting is going to be such a huge need next season when we already have Gallo who's a damn good shooter as we've all seen playing on the wing along with Harrington, Duhon, Hughes, Q Rich & depending if he's re-signed or not, Nate Robinson on this roster who will be taking their share of 3's as well... what, u think the entire offense is going to be predicated on 3 pointers only? there's no need for a kid w/Vince Carter type athletic ability & explosiveness running on the wing on the fastbreak & driving to the lane for the finish that can also post up smaller G's & give us some serious mismatches in our favor? u don't think watching Derozan, Chandler, Gallo & either Lee or Harrington running the break w/Duhon or Nate leading them would be a really exciting brand of basketball to watch? i do... please explain to me how Holiday or Curry starting at PG w/Hughes, Chandler, Gallo & either Lee or Harrington is such a huge upgrade.
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6/3/2009  8:11 PM
If Curry has the upside of Steve Nash, you take him over a guy with the upside of Vince Carter. No questions asked. With that said, does Curry have that kind of upside? That's up to our coaching staff. However, if he does, then Curry isn't going past 3 or 4. If he can't even play much PG though, then I'd take Derozan over him. I'd take Hill over both though, and I'd take Harden too, if he falls.

My suggestion. Trade up. Get either Thabeet, Hill or Harden or Curry (If his upside is really that high.) I wouldn't be opposed to Evans either at this point.
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