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Finestrg
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5/30/2009  1:06 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
According to a source, the Knicks offered to purchase the Grizzlies' 27th pick for $3 million but were turned down.

The Knicks also have interest in trading for center Darko Milicic, possibly in exchange for Quentin Richardson. Both Milicic and Richardson are entering the final year of their contracts.
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59465/20090530/knicks_call_grizzlies_about_buying_pick_and_acquiring_darko/

Well at least we are trying this year. There might be a pg available there and as someone on the other board mentioned, perhaps we are eying the best available player at 8 (not a PG) and a PG later on. An idea anyway...

EMS

A little further down in the article, Tillery wrote something interesting:

"Oklahoma City and Sacramento are said to be interested in moving up from the third and fourth slots, respectively. Those teams have interest in Griffin and Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio. Would the Kings be willing to part with power forward Jason Thompson (a 2008 lottery pick) and the No. 4 selection for the chance to take Rubio"?

If the Kings ever moved Jason Thompson, I could then see them possibly being interested in David Lee in an S&T. He makes little sense for them with Jason Thompson, but w/o Thompson... They've always had some interest in Lee anyway. Does David Lee for the expiring contracts of Abdur-Rahim & Mikki Moore (about $8.6 mil. total) plus draft picks #23 & #31 sound about right? Or, maybe Lee straight up for Kenny Thomas' expiring contract (almost the same - right around $8.6 mil.) and #23 & #31... Do they like Rubio enough where they're prepared to dangle Jason Thompson to move up?? Man did the Kings get burned in the lottery or what? They should've had a higher pick. This is all worth keeping an eye on...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-30-2009 1:19 PM]
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5/30/2009  1:09 PM
Memphis won't commit to a deal yet,

and its way to early for anyone to call anyone dumb.
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5/30/2009  1:14 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

We could always trade Mobley's 9.5 million (7 million of it is INSURED) dollar expiring contract for a like contract player and get a first along with it. That is a HUGE savings for a team. I believe we could trade it for an approximate 7.5 million dollar contract and a first round pick (roughly a salary of between 1 and 2 million).

So a team would in a sense be getting rid of their salaried player's salary FOR FREE and selling their first round pick for profit. IF we did that we could probably count on A LOT hire of a pick, cause 7 million is a lot to just write off the books.

I honestly can't see a team in financial trouble turning that down.

Mobley and $3 mil for Darko and the 27? I think that is a great trade idea, ems. I can see something like that happening on draft day. Question is, who is DW targeting at 27? I mean you get Darko, Mullens is probably a nogo-in the unlikely event he falls there and 8 is too high to pick him.

JRue is starting to grow on me honestly at 8, especially after today's post article where he mentioned his defense. What is available at 27? A shooting guard like Thorton or Ellington? David Lee's replacement in the form of Hansborough? Sam young who has some versatiltiy? Lotsa questions, imo.
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5/30/2009  1:27 PM
its nice to see that walsh is at least considering this. i don't think isiah or layden knew such a deal was possible
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5/30/2009  1:29 PM
What I am really hoping is that somehow Maynor or Lawson is dropping and the Knicks are targeting him at 27. Take Mullens at 8 and you come away with a heck of a draft.

Edit: Or King could end up really happy and we could be targeting Patty Mills there.. he fits into the MikeD style like a glove.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-30-2009 1:31 PM]
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5/30/2009  1:36 PM
With less than a month to go before the draft, the Grizzlies are in exploratory mode with the No. 2 overall pick -- from trading up in order to pry No. 1-in-waiting Blake Griffin from the Los Angeles Clippers to moving down and acquiring an established NBA player. The pre-draft rumor mill, though, has the Grizzlies spinning in a number of directions: The New York Knicks offered to buy the Grizzlies' 27th pick for $3million, according to a source. The Griz turned down that proposal. The Knicks, according to speculation, also expressed interest in acquiring center Darko Milicic in a deal that could possibly include Quentin Richardson, whose $9.3 million contract expires after the 2009-10 season. Milicic will earn $7.5 million this upcoming season -- the last of a three-year, $21 million deal. Oklahoma City and Sacramento are said to be interested in moving up from the third and fourth slots, respectively.
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5/30/2009  1:38 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

What I am really hoping is that somehow Maynor or Lawson is dropping and the Knicks are targeting him at 27. Take Mullens at 8 and you come away with a heck of a draft.

Edit: Or King could end up really happy and we could be targeting Patty Mills there.. he fits into the MikeD style like a glove.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-30-2009 1:31 PM]

You got some heavy Maynor love bro.

Lawson is starting to worry me. His size is looking like a problem in predraft, so there are gonna be issues at the next level, imo.

Maynor-what I read about him anyway-I like. What worries me about Mullens is that this is just not a great big man draft. I would rather take the 3rd or 4th SG in a draft as guard heavy as this than reaching for the 2nd/3rd best center in a center week draft. But that is just me.
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5/30/2009  1:47 PM
There's probably someone who the Knicks expect will be available late, that they think is undervalued. Even if Memphis doesn't want to do that deal, maybe some other team might be interested.
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5/30/2009  1:52 PM
they may be trying to get the extra pick to package in a trade with the 8th to move up
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5/30/2009  2:15 PM
I like Maynor myself just dont know if he shoots it well enough. I agree with Briggs Mullens is going to be a nice player but the Knicks have to trade down and get multiple picks. Trade with the bulls the 8th pick for the 16th and 26th and then you can get two players that can help you.
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5/30/2009  5:25 PM
Sounds like Maynor is going to go in the middle of the first to me, I wouldn't take the 27th expecting to get him.

Holiday / Meeks would be a helluva fresh start for this team

Holiday - Meeks - The Mayor - Gallo - Darko


That is a completely different team than we've seen in past years. The outside shooting would be crazy from the 2,3,4 slots and we'd have a huge, pound it inside point guard.

Get it done Donnie.
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5/30/2009  5:53 PM
I think it is great that Walsh is looking to make deals and is exploring creative options. I am not sure spending 3 million to get the 27th pick in this draft is worth it. Paying to take on a guaranteed contract that late in a weak draft doesn't make sense unless the guy you want is there on draft night or you have a package deal set up for something else.
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5/30/2009  7:37 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think it is great that Walsh is looking to make deals and is exploring creative options. I am not sure spending 3 million to get the 27th pick in this draft is worth it. Paying to take on a guaranteed contract that late in a weak draft doesn't make sense unless the guy you want is there on draft night or you have a package deal set up for something else.

If we have $3 million to spare on someone like Meeks or Lawal at positions of need then why wouldn't you do it?

At the 1, 2 or 5 positions, whoever we draft will have opportunities to play a lot and if it works out, that player will be a valuable asset.

You could also look at drafting Derozan at the top of the draft and then taking the best available point at the bottom, be it Mills, Collison, De Colo or Lawson.
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5/30/2009  9:37 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
According to a source, the Knicks offered to purchase the Grizzlies' 27th pick for $3 million but were turned down.

The Knicks also have interest in trading for center Darko Milicic, possibly in exchange for Quentin Richardson. Both Milicic and Richardson are entering the final year of their contracts.
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59465/20090530/knicks_call_grizzlies_about_buying_pick_and_acquiring_darko/

Well at least we are trying this year. There might be a pg available there and as someone on the other board mentioned, perhaps we are eying the best available player at 8 (not a PG) and a PG later on. An idea anyway...

EMS

if this is true then it makes me think Walsh is really trying to move up in this draft & may have a willing partner (likely WAS at #5)... additional picks to move up in the draft, i told u guys at the beginning of the season we should be looking to add picks at the trade deadline to give us options to move up in this draft & y'all told me i was nuts for wanting to dump Lee & Nate to do so cuz we were on our way to the playoffs this year & those 2 were essential parts of the Knicks' future... Donnie missed the boat, but at least he's trying... better late than never i guess.
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5/30/2009  9:38 PM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:

yeah 3 million for a 27th pick is a lot, especially for a first offer this early.

just add $4.5 mil & let's get the #10 pick.
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5/30/2009  9:42 PM
Posted by martin:

this is a bit of a rehash, but for those of you who think the Knicks should have gotten more from the Zbo or Crawford trades.... the Grizz, who GAVE away Gasol, were demanding a first round FROM the Knicks to take on Zach.

that's pretty funny how people think the Griz GAVE away Gasol... if the Knicks were to ever give up 2 future 1st round picks & 2 of their best young prospects in a deal for a player like Gasol w/as horrible a contract as he had you'd never hear the end of it from disgruntled Knick fans... hell, we gave up jack squat for Zach Randolph & it was still 1 of the worst trades in recent memory.
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5/30/2009  11:09 PM
If this is true and the Knicks are looking to buy picks, its probable they will buy a pick close or at the draft because teams will be looking to sell, thats for sure. Right now its way too early for any team to commit on selling a pick when they might not yet have explored all their options.


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5/31/2009  3:13 AM
no way would I be moving up in this draft unless its in the top 3

Holiday - Meeks
Derozan - Mills
Evans - Lawal


Any combination of those guys would be a complete sea change for the Knickerbockers

Getting one of them alone is not going to get us over the hump


Also, I really think Christmas is a good possibility for our 2nd round pick from Denver
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5/31/2009  3:55 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

We could always trade Mobley's 9.5 million (7 million of it is INSURED) dollar expiring contract for a like contract player and get a first along with it. That is a HUGE savings for a team. I believe we could trade it for an approximate 7.5 million dollar contract and a first round pick (roughly a salary of between 1 and 2 million).

So a team would in a sense be getting rid of their salaried player's salary FOR FREE and selling their first round pick for profit. IF we did that we could probably count on A LOT hire of a pick, cause 7 million is a lot to just write off the books.

I honestly can't see a team in financial trouble turning that down.

Mobley and $3 mil for Darko and the 27? I think that is a great trade idea, ems. I can see something like that happening on draft day. Question is, who is DW targeting at 27? I mean you get Darko, Mullens is probably a nogo-in the unlikely event he falls there and 8 is too high to pick him.

JRue is starting to grow on me honestly at 8, especially after today's post article where he mentioned his defense. What is available at 27? A shooting guard like Thorton or Ellington? David Lee's replacement in the form of Hansborough? Sam young who has some versatiltiy? Lotsa questions, imo.

I think that is too good of a deal to get #27. They don't even want Darko. Darko for Q is a better bet for us. If we give up essentially 7 million dollars in savings to a team, we should DEFINITELY get more than the 27th pick (or the right to purchase it).

I've given this some thought and a 7 million dollar savings should get us a MUCH higher draft pick. If 3 million is fair for a later pick (even though the offer was not accepted) then what does 7 million buy you? Yeah there is still the salary cap hit (not sure if there is a way around that) but 7 million dollars in this climate is huge. Think about that guys, I'm surprised more people are not talking about it. It's like a huge rare trade exception, but insured!
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5/31/2009  4:57 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Also, I really think Christmas is a good possibility for our 2nd round pick from Denver

we don't get that pick til next year bro... i really like Christmas tho, i think we can easily get him w/a purchased late 1st round or early 2nd round pick... if we don't end up w/Derozan i would seriously consider buying a pick to get him.
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