Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Bonn1997:

As long as we ask nicely, I see no reason why Mil wouldn't just give us the pick for free.

I know that was pretty funny.

Posted by BRIGGS:

. I still don't think teams are just gonna turn over LOTTERY PICKS for cash like you've suggested in the past. A lottery pick is not a pick in the 20-30 range. Those are the picks you have a chance to buy outright, Not lottery picks...

No need for the diatribe--just try reading next time

here is an example

Another very close example for the 7th

June 24, 2004 -- The Chicago Bulls acquired the rights to Luol Deng, the 7th overall pick in the 2004 Draft, from Phoenix in exchange for a Bulls future conditional first round pick, the rights to the 31st pick in the second round of the 2004 Draft (Jackson Vroman), and an undisclosed amount of cash.


My offer saves them 7.5mm in cap space and cash relief for 2009 and gives them a 2012 number 1 pick restricted to 5 and a 2010 2nd rounder--essentially a much better deal than Pheonix got got for the 7th pick--not 10 7 in a better draft.


Also I will add Milwaukee is admittedly in a poor economic cap position in a much worse time in history

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-29-2009 9:08 PM]

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by BRIGGS:

. I still don't think teams are just gonna turn over LOTTERY PICKS for cash like you've suggested in the past. A lottery pick is not a pick in the 20-30 range. Those are the picks you have a chance to buy outright, Not lottery picks...

No need for the diatribe--just try reading next time

here is an example

Another very close example for the 7th

June 24, 2004 -- The Chicago Bulls acquired the rights to Luol Deng, the 7th overall pick in the 2004 Draft, from Phoenix in exchange for a Bulls future conditional first round pick, the rights to the 31st pick in the second round of the 2004 Draft (Jackson Vroman), and an undisclosed amount of cash.


My offer saves them 7.5mm in cap space and cash relief for 2009 and gives them a 2012 number 1 pick restricted to 5 and a 2010 2nd rounder--essentially a much better deal than Pheonix got got for the 7th pick--not 10 7 in a better draft.


Also I will add Milwaukee is admittedly in a poor economic cap position in a much worse time in history

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-29-2009 9:08 PM]

I don't care for this example - That '04 trade was a cost-cutting trade Phoenix made and was able to absorb because they got done building an excellent roster that had a chance to go all the way (so they thought). The Suns were confident they were on the verge of something big there. And they were right - Phoenix went on to win the Pacific what, 3 years in a row right there? The product was there for the fans - a championship level team had been assembled or was right on the verge of being assembled. That '04 Phoenix roster and this current Milwaukee club are completely different animals. Has Milwaukee built anywhere near as good a roster as Phoenix did in '04? Milwaukee can't afford to turn down lottery picks at this point. They're not that good. And what would such a trade say to your best players like Michael Redd? Good luck retaining any of your top guys after a deal like that. Not a great example if you ask me...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-29-2009 9:34 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by BRIGGS:

. I still don't think teams are just gonna turn over LOTTERY PICKS for cash like you've suggested in the past. A lottery pick is not a pick in the 20-30 range. Those are the picks you have a chance to buy outright, Not lottery picks...

No need for the diatribe--just try reading next time

here is an example

Another very close example for the 7th

June 24, 2004 -- The Chicago Bulls acquired the rights to Luol Deng, the 7th overall pick in the 2004 Draft, from Phoenix in exchange for a Bulls future conditional first round pick, the rights to the 31st pick in the second round of the 2004 Draft (Jackson Vroman), and an undisclosed amount of cash.


My offer saves them 7.5mm in cap space and cash relief for 2009 and gives them a 2012 number 1 pick restricted to 5 and a 2010 2nd rounder--essentially a much better deal than Pheonix got got for the 7th pick--not 10 7 in a better draft.


Also I will add Milwaukee is admittedly in a poor economic cap position in a much worse time in history

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-29-2009 9:08 PM]

I don't care for this example - That '04 trade was a cost-cutting trade Phoenix made and was able to absorb because they got done building an excellent roster that had a chance to go all the way (so they thought). The Suns were confident they were on the verge of something big there. And they were right - Phoenix went on to win the Pacific what, 3 years in a row right there? The product was there for the fans - a championship level team had been assembled or was right on the verge of being assembled. That '04 Phoenix roster and this current Milwaukee club are completely different animals. Has Milwaukee built anywhere near as good a roster as Phoenix did in '04? Milwaukee can't afford to turn down lottery picks at this point. They're not that good. And what would such a trade say to your best players like Michael Redd? Good luck retaining any of your top guys after a deal like that. Not a great example if you ask me...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-29-2009 9:34 PM]

You got it right--That '04 trade was a cost-cutting trade

and Milwaukee is in dire position to cut costs right now.

It's a good move for them--they can keep Charlie V or Sessions or maybe even both guys get a future 1 and 2 for the 10th pick. It's a superior deal for them.

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by BRIGGS:

. I still don't think teams are just gonna turn over LOTTERY PICKS for cash like you've suggested in the past. A lottery pick is not a pick in the 20-30 range. Those are the picks you have a chance to buy outright, Not lottery picks...

No need for the diatribe--just try reading next time

here is an example

Another very close example for the 7th

June 24, 2004 -- The Chicago Bulls acquired the rights to Luol Deng, the 7th overall pick in the 2004 Draft, from Phoenix in exchange for a Bulls future conditional first round pick, the rights to the 31st pick in the second round of the 2004 Draft (Jackson Vroman), and an undisclosed amount of cash.


My offer saves them 7.5mm in cap space and cash relief for 2009 and gives them a 2012 number 1 pick restricted to 5 and a 2010 2nd rounder--essentially a much better deal than Pheonix got got for the 7th pick--not 10 7 in a better draft.


Also I will add Milwaukee is admittedly in a poor economic cap position in a much worse time in history

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-29-2009 9:08 PM]

I don't care for this example - That '04 trade was a cost-cutting trade Phoenix made and was able to absorb because they got done building an excellent roster that had a chance to go all the way (so they thought). The Suns were confident they were on the verge of something big there. And they were right - Phoenix went on to win the Pacific what, 3 years in a row right there? The product was there for the fans - a championship level team had been assembled or was right on the verge of being assembled. That '04 Phoenix roster and this current Milwaukee club are completely different animals. Has Milwaukee built anywhere near as good a roster as Phoenix did in '04? Milwaukee can't afford to turn down lottery picks at this point. They're not that good. And what would such a trade say to your best players like Michael Redd? Good luck retaining any of your top guys after a deal like that. Not a great example if you ask me...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-29-2009 9:34 PM]

You got it right--That '04 trade was a cost-cutting trade

and Milwaukee is in dire position to cut costs right now.

It's a good move for them--they can keep Charlie V or Sessions or maybe even both guys get a future 1 and 2 for the 10th pick. It's a superior deal for them.

And you tell me I don't read? The point here is that the makeup of that Phoenix team and this current Milwaukee team are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Phoenix was able to make and absorb a trade like that - I mean where was Luol Deng supposed to play anyway, over Shawn Marion? That Suns team had a stacked roster. No room for a prospect to develop there at that time. Now like I just posted, that's no excuse to make lazy trades to save the owner a few bucks though. You still have to use good sound judgement - it could make the difference in building a dynasty or just a real successful team that makes its run for a few years then fizzles out... Ask yourself my friend, does any of this describe this current Bucks team or how they should proceed? The Bucks aren't that much better than we are...


[Edited by - finestrg on 05-29-2009 9:56 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Chris Duhon 6mm
2011 first round pick restricted to 3
3mm in cash

for
Elson 1.7mm
Ridnour 6.5mm
10th pick in draft

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Chris Duhon 6mm
2011 first round pick restricted to 3
3mm in cash

for
Elson 1.7mm
Ridnour 6.5mm
10th pick in draft

HELL YES I would.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Chris Duhon 6mm
2011 first round pick restricted to 3
3mm in cash

for
Elson 1.7mm
Ridnour 6.5mm
10th pick in draft

HELL YES I would.

Of course Marty so would I. In a heartbeat. It's a complete no-brainer for the NY Knicks. Would you pull the trigger on this if you were Milwaukee? That's the thing. I say no way. If I'm dealing away my lottery pick I want something much more than an interim backup PG, cash and a future pick in 2011 or 2012 when the Knicks should be a much better team record-wise...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-29-2009 11:54 PM]

A majority of the owners are in this thing just for the money.

Duhon for Ridnour is a wash and $1.7M for Elson is straight money for MIL.

PHO sold their 20th pick a couple of years ago for $3M.

By selling the 10th pick ($2.1M) and accepting $3M cash (and including $1.7M for Elison), that's almost a $7M savings. And if they are OVER the cap in 2009, which is very likely, you double the salary of the 10th pick and what would be Elison, so it turns into a > $10M savings for MIL.

You could also factor in the future savings of the 10th pick for 2010 but that's prob a stretch.

$10M for the 10 pick. 20th picks are sold for $3. What's the price and how desperate is the owner?