Posted by tkf:

Posted by Finestrg:

On Steph Curry - I don't see any of the negativity surrounding him holding him back at all - in fact, like any good athlete with pride, he'll probably wind up using it as motivation. And I definitely don't see a swiss cheese prospect here... "He's not athletic enough, he's too slow and he's not a real PG." Those are the major knocks. Well, I'd say he's at least on par athletically with guys like Stockton, Nash, Mark Jackson along with countless other successful PGs that were never known for their athleticism. He's no bolt of lightning out there but neither were those guys. Steph gets to the basket (he went to the FT line almost 7.5 times a game), he managed to play some defense out there (2.5 steals/game is a very impressive number) and he's clearly shown he has more than enough athleticism in the tank to basically do whatever he wants to out there offensively. As for the "he's not a real PG" thing, well that's what I thought myself originally but I'd have to say now that's clearly not the case. He has a good handle that he maintains & doesn't give up too quickly, he possesses very good court vision evident by some of the tremendous passes he threw to all his sub-par teammates last year, and the assist to turnover ratio wasn't terrible by any means, esp. considering this was the first time he ever played PG steady in his life (the kid averaged an impressive 5.6 asst. against 3.7 TOs). And if strength ever becomes an issue, he and the S&C coaches will sit down and come up with a plan to get him stronger, so I don't really buy the "he's too weak" knock either. If he needs to get a little stronger, he'll get a little stronger. "He's not tall enough, he's only 6'1" - ain't buying this knock either. First of all, 6'1" isn't terrible size for a PG. Not great, but not terrible. It's adequate. Second, I just read where Steph's father Dell said his son "is a legit 6'3" in shoes and you don't play the game w/o shoes." That's true and I think a father should know his son right? So there you go. So much for the so-called "negatives." Heck, with a straight face, I just spun most of those negatives into positives. Speaking of positives, you wanna talk about all the positive things Curry brings to the table? I mean do we have about an hour? He's gonna be a good NBA player. I just have this feeling in my gut that he'll be off the board by the time we pick. Hope I'm wrong...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-25-2009 3:32 PM]

excellent post... pretty much how I fee.. at 6'3, he will be able to get his shot off on pretty much any PG in the league...

I am not disagreeing with anything your saying I just hate the highlighted phrase. While the game isn't played barefoot, everyone else is playing in shoes too. Is a guy like Devin Harris 6-3 or "6-3 in shoes"? Is Dwight Howard 7 feet or "7 feet in shoes"? I just do not get that saying.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Are you talking about potential at the postion or overrall potential. Because I would rank Curry near the bottom on potential at the postion but I agree with your pg skills right at this very second. I would move Teague and Holiday from 5 & 6 ahead of Curry, Maynor and maybe even Lawson who I think will be a 10 year guy no matter what. I would like to see Holiday and Rubio go against each other and then Teague and Curry. Lawson and Maynor would be a good matchup.

Shoulda been more clear Phar - I meant overall potential.

I realllllly like Maynor, I think he's going to be the 2nd best PG from this draft. He's already a great court-general, has great ability to get to the hole and finish; once he gets his shot a bit more consistent he's going to be a very special player.

In D'Antoni's offense are we really concern about the point guard getting the shot off or driving to the basket to create room and opportunities for his teammates. To me Duhon biggest issue other than the unforce turnovers is that he didn't look to penetrate and when he did he had trouble. A guy like Teague is born for this type of offense where defenses will be so worry about penetration that they will have to come off perimeter guys like Gallinari which will leave them open. I read where that the Knicks wouldn't be interested because he can't play the pick and roll but didn't Duhon have the same problem in preseason. Then he and Lee became exclusively known for it. I starting to warm up to Holiday as a SG.

I been trying to warm up to Curry but I can't. I just think you can get a much cheaper version of what he can bring to this team and I don't like his potential at all for the position and overrall. Maynor maybe too slow for this team and reminds the coaching staff of Duhon too much.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Finestrg:

On Steph Curry - I don't see any of the negativity surrounding him holding him back at all - in fact, like any good athlete with pride, he'll probably wind up using it as motivation. And I definitely don't see a swiss cheese prospect here... "He's not athletic enough, he's too slow and he's not a real PG." Those are the major knocks. Well, I'd say he's at least on par athletically with guys like Stockton, Nash, Mark Jackson along with countless other successful PGs that were never known for their athleticism. He's no bolt of lightning out there but neither were those guys. Steph gets to the basket (he went to the FT line almost 7.5 times a game), he managed to play some defense out there (2.5 steals/game is a very impressive number) and he's clearly shown he has more than enough athleticism in the tank to basically do whatever he wants to out there offensively. As for the "he's not a real PG" thing, well that's what I thought myself originally but I'd have to say now that's clearly not the case. He has a good handle that he maintains & doesn't give up too quickly, he possesses very good court vision evident by some of the tremendous passes he threw to all his sub-par teammates last year, and the assist to turnover ratio wasn't terrible by any means, esp. considering this was the first time he ever played PG steady in his life (the kid averaged an impressive 5.6 asst. against 3.7 TOs). And if strength ever becomes an issue, he and the S&C coaches will sit down and come up with a plan to get him stronger, so I don't really buy the "he's too weak" knock either. If he needs to get a little stronger, he'll get a little stronger. "He's not tall enough, he's only 6'1" - ain't buying this knock either. First of all, 6'1" isn't terrible size for a PG. Not great, but not terrible. It's adequate. Second, I just read where Steph's father Dell said his son "is a legit 6'3" in shoes and you don't play the game w/o shoes." That's true and I think a father should know his son right? So there you go. So much for the so-called "negatives." Heck, with a straight face, I just spun most of those negatives into positives. Speaking of positives, you wanna talk about all the positive things Curry brings to the table? I mean do we have about an hour? He's gonna be a good NBA player. I just have this feeling in my gut that he'll be off the board by the time we pick. Hope I'm wrong...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-25-2009 3:32 PM]

excellent post... pretty much how I fee.. at 6'3, he will be able to get his shot off on pretty much any PG in the league...

I saw Steph curry get physically mauled by better athletes several times this year--one game that really sticks out and anyone who saw it knows what Im talking about was Purdue versus Davidson. He was just physically pounded by faster stronger athletes and was taken out of the game. And Im a steph curry fan--I by no means dislike steph curry but I think we can get a better player at 8.
Im pretty much set on a bigger player. I would easily choose Evans over Curry without having to think to long about it--same with Derozan or Mullens.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Maynor wouldn't fit in with D'Antoni, he's more comparable to Marbury than he is a Nash type. I don't think that's a bad thing for another team though...

I am not to familiar with Maynor but I never thought of Marbury as a floor general-since that is who you compared him to-, but I'll take your word for it.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Maynor wouldn't fit in with D'Antoni, he's more comparable to Marbury than he is a Nash type. I don't think that's a bad thing for another team though...

I am not to familiar with Maynor but I never thought of Marbury as a floor general-since that is who you compared him to-, but I'll take your word for it.

[rant]
This is where comparisons get lost in translation on this site. Just because you say someone is like someone, doesn't mean they have every single trait that the person you compare them to has or doesn't have.
[end rant]

That wasn't aimed at you Joe, just gave me the opportunity to say it.

Maynor's offensive game really reminds me of a Marbury type since he has the inate ability to get to the hole and finish. Maynor's body-type is also very similar to Marbury's coming out of college. I think Marbury had a better jumper at this point but Maynor is better defensively and is much more of a floor-general than Marbury was.

Trust in nyk4ever about Eric Maynor, I've watched this game for 3 years now, he is the real deal.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Maynor wouldn't fit in with D'Antoni, he's more comparable to Marbury than he is a Nash type. I don't think that's a bad thing for another team though...

I am not to familiar with Maynor but I never thought of Marbury as a floor general-since that is who you compared him to-, but I'll take your word for it.

lol @ comparing any player to marbury, unless you're trying to say that the player sucks.

Coming out of college, Marbury did not suck, which is how I was comparing the players. Why would anyone compare a player that is coming out of college to a player that is 30 years old? That makes no sense.

look, i know what you mean, just because you say 'like marbury' doesn't mean it's a 1-to-1 comparrison, i dig that, man. it's not rocket science.

and i know, marbury did not 'suck' his whole career.

but i feel that marbury has managed to mangle his career and image so radically that any, ANY comparisson between him and another player is invalid by default. i am sure you can compare this kid to someone other than marbury.

marbury is dead to me and i wouldn't be surprised if he was dead to many people.