Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by sebstar:

My reaction after yet another BRIGGS thred.

Sorry about talking about the Knicks instead of making up absurd UK hall of fame posts. Watch learn listen

Posted by TMS:

what you don't see in this clip is what you see in the clip above--the guy looks like he can absolutely shoot the ball in a big time way in the mid range post and pop.

not even sure what u meant w/the first part of that comment but i don't see any pick & pop skills on display in this clip, much less a midrange J... he seems like he's got D Lee type springs in his legs, gets up real quick to follow up missed shots, & has a soft touch on his layups around the basket (which all seemed like they were right handed layups, which he'll have to rectify at the NBA level cuz he's gonna have to learn how to finish w/his left hand also)... i think he can be a good offensive rebounder & finisher based off that alone & i like how he goes up w/2 hands to dunk the ball on most attempts... but he's gonna have to face much bigger & stronger competition at the NBA level & as it is his first year at Ohio State he showed he still needs a lot of work on his game & at his size & w/his hops & wingspan his rebounding totals really should have been alot better than they were... he's a bigtime project at this point & even tho u or i might like his upside i have a feeling Donnnie's only looking at more NBA ready prospects... sucks that he'd limit his scope like that but i doubt he wants to go back to back drafts w/players who he has to wait a few years for them to develop.

Posted by martin:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by sebstar:

My reaction after yet another BRIGGS thred.

Sorry about talking about the Knicks instead of making up absurd UK hall of fame posts. Watch learn listen

You're not talking about the Knicks. Your talking about your new man-crush. How many times are you going to jump from bandwagon to bandwagon? Every time it's a new player that is apparently the next big thing and a can't miss prospect. Every day is a new BRIGGS thread about how good this guy is and how we'd be fools to pass so and so up. Condense your thoughts so we don't have to see a Groundhog Day post from you all the time.

Oh and why is the Hall of Fame absurd? People generally liked the concept and it was done for fun and for the forum. Too bad the only fun you get out of life is creating threads n Ultimate Knicks about the likes of Andrew Bynum. You are amazing.

dude, seriously. Can you cut out the crap about other peoples threads? leave that to Andrew and me. I think you are way off base here. I guess I would have been OK with your first post and BRIGGS's response - you each got a shot in - but you continue this kind of thing ad nauseum and you never know when to let go. I think I have asked you to cut it out before.

Posted by martin:

Posted by TMS:

what you don't see in this clip is what you see in the clip above--the guy looks like he can absolutely shoot the ball in a big time way in the mid range post and pop.

not even sure what u meant w/the first part of that comment but i don't see any pick & pop skills on display in this clip, much less a midrange J... he seems like he's got D Lee type springs in his legs, gets up real quick to follow up missed shots, & has a soft touch on his layups around the basket (which all seemed like they were right handed layups, which he'll have to rectify at the NBA level cuz he's gonna have to learn how to finish w/his left hand also)... i think he can be a good offensive rebounder & finisher based off that alone & i like how he goes up w/2 hands to dunk the ball on most attempts... but he's gonna have to face much bigger & stronger competition at the NBA level & as it is his first year at Ohio State he showed he still needs a lot of work on his game & at his size & w/his hops & wingspan his rebounding totals really should have been alot better than they were... he's a bigtime project at this point & even tho u or i might like his upside i have a feeling Donnnie's only looking at more NBA ready prospects... sucks that he'd limit his scope like that but i doubt he wants to go back to back drafts w/players who he has to wait a few years for them to develop.

what BRIGGS meant was that in the very first post in the thread, the video clip showed BJ shooting 10-15 footers and they were smooth enough, as opposed to just the dunks and layups and footwork that was on display in the YouTube video.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by TMS:

that would be great too... i think we can easily trade Lee &/or Nate in a S&T deal to get extra pick(s) next season also... the more picks & cap space we have the more flexibility to make deals... we coulda been in a position to trade up in this current draft had Donnie not missed the boat on trading those guys at the deadline & maybe grab someone like Rubio, who knows? next year there's gonna be great prospects like John Wall, Derrick Favors & Patrick Patterson who will likely be in the draft pool & we really need to make sure we have at least a shot in the draft lottery, or the means to move up to get one... amassing picks will really give Donnie some chips to make significant moves with.

I agree. Trading Lee primarily for future picks would be great. But I don't think the Knicks will do this. They will try to re-sign Lee when he is barely a starter on a good team.

ur right, the Knicks will never do this cuz of this incessant & inane desire to make the playoffs at all costs, no matter what the longterm ramifications... they never wanna go all in on a rebuild, it's always 1 toe in the water, 1 foot out.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Watching these playoffs, you can just tell how important post defense plays in a role of success. Anybody thinking that an undersized SG will be a difference maker is fooling themselves. My only thing about Mullens is that postwork is average at best and I think he plays more of a power forward/center. His post defense isn't that great. I rather take Thabeet if I was in the top 3 but that because I watched him more.

Here is the thing--it's impossible to make defintive statements on these guys at this age.--Ive heard he's not a hard worker--obviously not the case. I did not see this jumpshot? anyone else? no because he didnt take much if any on the pick and pop. hes got good foootwork going back to HS--Im sure it has dramatically improved in the last two months. He snot coming up with the names of amare dirk and KG by himself--his trainer--the same guy who trains KG and Billups is telling him that because he sees it up close.

I like this clip because it shows you the explosion the touch and the footwork --this guy is just made for this system as a 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oto65oChjc&feature=related

you see the guys he is playing against? my teenage son would drop 30 on those guys!!! LOL

LOL, I agree. I wouldn't use that clip for scouting. I thought it was a joke at first.

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TMS:

what you don't see in this clip is what you see in the clip above--the guy looks like he can absolutely shoot the ball in a big time way in the mid range post and pop.

not even sure what u meant w/the first part of that comment but i don't see any pick & pop skills on display in this clip, much less a midrange J... he seems like he's got D Lee type springs in his legs, gets up real quick to follow up missed shots, & has a soft touch on his layups around the basket (which all seemed like they were right handed layups, which he'll have to rectify at the NBA level cuz he's gonna have to learn how to finish w/his left hand also)... i think he can be a good offensive rebounder & finisher based off that alone & i like how he goes up w/2 hands to dunk the ball on most attempts... but he's gonna have to face much bigger & stronger competition at the NBA level & as it is his first year at Ohio State he showed he still needs a lot of work on his game & at his size & w/his hops & wingspan his rebounding totals really should have been alot better than they were... he's a bigtime project at this point & even tho u or i might like his upside i have a feeling Donnnie's only looking at more NBA ready prospects... sucks that he'd limit his scope like that but i doubt he wants to go back to back drafts w/players who he has to wait a few years for them to develop.

what BRIGGS meant was that in the very first post in the thread, the video clip showed BJ shooting 10-15 footers and they were smooth enough, as opposed to just the dunks and layups and footwork that was on display in the YouTube video.

ic, thanks for the clarification... dude seems to have solid form on his shot but it's 1 thing to knock down jumpers in practice while warming up w/no one trying to guard you & another to do it in game action... really all i've been going off these days when it comes to Mullens is based on what BRIGGS has been telling me about him & the clips he's shown... i dunno much about this guy other than that, have never seen him in game action personally, nothing like my opinions about Derozan & some others... i like what i see in the clips & i hope the Knicks at least bring this kid in for a workout... maybe he'll surprise Donnie & MDA w/his skillset enough to warrant them making a move to grab him.

Just started reading through the thread and was thinking the exact same thing. You can't possibly decifer ANYTHING from that first clip. It's completely worthless. A fluff piece. I remember seeing a practice clip of Chris Wilcox knocking down jumper after jumper (with a nice looking form btw) in the gym last year at some point after the Knicks got him -- that's all good, practice makes perfect, but come on, we all know damn well Wilcox isn't doing that in real games. And for a guy who hasn't accomplished anything yet, Mullens sure sounded a little ****y here no? Comparing himself to Garnett was funny enough but Garnett, Dirk AND A'mare? Wow! LMAO! First of all, they're all completely different players and he doesn't resemble any of them. His response there was way over the top, let's be honest. Oh, and he EXPECTS to go top 15... Hey, what's he supposed to say there though I guess, right? I would've preferred some more humble responses based on his unimpressive, minuscule body of work thus far, but whatever. I'll give the young fella a little slack I guess... If anyone wants to read an excellent player interview, read this DeJuan Blair piece with Jonathan Givony over at Draftexpress.com. Tremendous interview of not just anyone here - Blair was a DOMINANT college basketball player last year. However, throughout their conversation together, not once do you hear Blair say something like, "yeah, Charles Barkley, that's who I resemble most.." or anything absurd like that. Blair sounds confident, he openly discusses his weaknesses and what he plans to do to correct them and he gives high praise and credit to guys like Millsap, Udonis Haslem and Carl Landry, comparisons Givony came up that Blair calls "great players" who he admires because they "worked to get to where they want to be." Obviously, Blair has potential to be MUCH BETTER than these guys but you won't here that from him. Confident yet humbled & classy at the same time, he gave honest, mature responses throughout the one-on-one with Givony. Man, call me nuts but what I think we'll eventually wind up seeing with Blair is a Larry Johnson-type inside player minus the 3 ball...

GREAT read, check it out: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeJuan-Blair-5049/

Anyway, back to Mullens. I guess we've got a few postives here: he does seem confident which is good, appears to be working hard if you take him at his word which I do (although I don't see this new phantom physique Briggs mentioned - physically he looks the same to me), he's a big boy and very athletic. Only thing is, that's about all we're looking at right now. The rest is pure speculation and that's it. I hope this kid succeeds, I really do. I never wanna see any young player fail and fall short of his dreams, but I just can't get too pumped up about this kid based on what I've seen so far. And again, like I said on another thread, say we drafted him (and again there's no way you take this kid 8, that's completely crazy), how do we develop him here exactly? D'Antoni's good at what he does but I think there's some truth to the speculation that this is not his type of player at all, the rest of the coaching staff, though capable, is devoid of true "big-men coaches" (Phil Weber, Mike's brother Dan, etc.. all seem like good coaches (esp. Weber) but what we would need for Mullens is a Pat Ewing or even a Mark Aguirre here ready to get busy with this kid in the gym right from day one - sadly we don't have guys like that to work with him), the NBDL is a mess of a league and anything but a true "developmental league" (odds are he wouldn't develop a lick if we grabbed him then banished him to Reno for the time being) and lastly, while I respect everyone's opinions here - Martin, please explain to us exactly what David Lee teaches Mullens except a few tips on how to pursue a rebound? David Lee's gonna help turn Mullens into a complete player? How? He's far from a complete player himself... There it is in a nutshell - unpolished/raw prospect at the moment with limited opportunities to get better in the event he ever did come here. That's my whole thing...

Hey, everyone has their favorites in the draft every year - I have mine, you fellas have yours. This kid is obviously a Briggs guy. I respect that. Briggs, you got yourself set up for the big "I told you so" in the event he ever amounted to something... we'll just have to see. Hopefully he does become a decent NBA player. But based on all the available information and what I saw with my own eyes last year, I just don't see it at the moment...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-23-2009 11:32 PM]