Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Nalod:

who has more upside, Bynum or Oden?

Oden easily.

Even if Bynum stayed healthy he won't be on the level of a Shaq or Dwight Howard. Bynum at best would be a 7'ft Al Jefferson. A guy that would put up nice stats but would need a star PG or SG in order to even make the playoffs. Luckly he has Kobe who will hide that fact.

You aren't going to run the offense though Bynum, he isn't going to make everyone around him better.

Oden on the other hand has the upside to challenge Howard as the best defensive center in the NBA and making a whole team around him better defensively. He is the type of guy who would bring teams to defensive heights and be the leader of some of the best defensive teams. That's his potential though doesn't mean that he will achieve it.

Posted by Ira:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Nalod:

who has more upside, Bynum or Oden?

Oden easily.

Even if Bynum stayed healthy he won't be on the level of a Shaq or Dwight Howard. Bynum at best would be a 7'ft Al Jefferson. A guy that would put up nice stats but would need a star PG or SG in order to even make the playoffs. Luckly he has Kobe who will hide that fact.

You aren't going to run the offense though Bynum, he isn't going to make everyone around him better.

Oden on the other hand has the upside to challenge Howard as the best defensive center in the NBA and making a whole team around him better defensively. He is the type of guy who would bring teams to defensive heights and be the leader of some of the best defensive teams. That's his potential though doesn't mean that he will achieve it.

Here are his last 5 games before he was hurt this year

Jan 30 @ MIN W 132-119 1 30:28 10 15 66.7 0 0 0.0 7 8 87.5 7 8 15 1 2 0 2 4 27
Jan 27 CHA L 110-117 1 41:08 10 14 71.4 0 0 0.0 4 5 80.0 2 12 14 1 4 0 6 2 24
Jan 25 SAS W 99-85 1 24:13 4 10 40.0 0 0 0.0 7 8 87.5 4 7 11 1 2 1 4 2 15
Jan 22 WAS W 117-97 1 27:32 8 12 66.7 0 0 0.0 7 8 87.5 4 10 14 2 2 0 1 1 23
Jan 21 @ LAC W 108-97 1 36:23 17 24 70.8 0 0 0.0 8 11 72.7 8 7 15 0 2 0 3 2 42

AVG 26.1 points 13.9 rebounds 3.1 blocks shooting 67%--thats better than Dwight Howard because hes much more skilled than Dwight Howard. The guy has had bad luck that has held him back from becoming a 1st team type all NBA player.

His numbers look better than Howards because you picked what is probably the best five game sequence of his career. He's a good player, but he isn't as good as Howard. He and Oden have the same problem - injuries. But staying healthy is part of the game.

Posted by King1:

but did the Lakers screw up giving Bynum 64 million. He is obsolete in the playoffs, and he has got hurt both years in the league. I have a feeling they will regret giving him 64 as much as the Bucks regret giving Bogut 60+ million

Posted by oohah:

Posted by King1:

but did the Lakers screw up giving Bynum 64 million. He is obsolete in the playoffs, and he has got hurt both years in the league. I have a feeling they will regret giving him 64 as much as the Bucks regret giving Bogut 60+ million

You're right. Bynum is basically a dunker and sometimes a shotblocker. I see other guys have compared him to AL Jefferson...way off! jefferson is one of the best offensive big men in the game and demands double and triple teams. bynum can't put the ball in the hole unless he is wide open because every defensive man is on Kobe and Gasol.

Bynum is good at being big, but really not special for his size. He's had almost 1 good season adding up all his games out of 4 years, he is injury prone, and that 5 game stretch BRIGGS descirbed were dunk-fests vs. the worst front lines in the league whose front lines were injured for the most part so he was playing their second and third strings!

Still, I'd take him on the Knicks...for Duhon!


oohah

Jefferson is a more productive player. But the comparison of Bynum & Jefferson was strictly on the fact that Jefferson could score and rebound and get blocks and draw double and triple teams. But he doesn't create offense for others out of the post the way a Shaq or Tim Duncan could. Shaq would get the ball back his man down 2 times knowing the double was coming then kick it out for the open 3. He understood and looked to find the open man out of the post. Same thing with Duncan.

The comparison is that if Bynum was the best player on his team his team wouldn't make the playoffs just like Jefferson. That Bynum would never even sniff the playoffs unless he had a star guard to play with just like Jefferson. Neither of them have dominant personalities or leadership characteristics either.

Shaq & Duncan average 3-5 assist per game each.
Jefferson & Bynum average 1.6 & 1.4 assist per game.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Ira:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Nalod:

who has more upside, Bynum or Oden?

Oden easily.

Even if Bynum stayed healthy he won't be on the level of a Shaq or Dwight Howard. Bynum at best would be a 7'ft Al Jefferson. A guy that would put up nice stats but would need a star PG or SG in order to even make the playoffs. Luckly he has Kobe who will hide that fact.

You aren't going to run the offense though Bynum, he isn't going to make everyone around him better.

Oden on the other hand has the upside to challenge Howard as the best defensive center in the NBA and making a whole team around him better defensively. He is the type of guy who would bring teams to defensive heights and be the leader of some of the best defensive teams. That's his potential though doesn't mean that he will achieve it.

Here are his last 5 games before he was hurt this year

Jan 30 @ MIN W 132-119 1 30:28 10 15 66.7 0 0 0.0 7 8 87.5 7 8 15 1 2 0 2 4 27
Jan 27 CHA L 110-117 1 41:08 10 14 71.4 0 0 0.0 4 5 80.0 2 12 14 1 4 0 6 2 24
Jan 25 SAS W 99-85 1 24:13 4 10 40.0 0 0 0.0 7 8 87.5 4 7 11 1 2 1 4 2 15
Jan 22 WAS W 117-97 1 27:32 8 12 66.7 0 0 0.0 7 8 87.5 4 10 14 2 2 0 1 1 23
Jan 21 @ LAC W 108-97 1 36:23 17 24 70.8 0 0 0.0 8 11 72.7 8 7 15 0 2 0 3 2 42

AVG 26.1 points 13.9 rebounds 3.1 blocks shooting 67%--thats better than Dwight Howard because hes much more skilled than Dwight Howard. The guy has had bad luck that has held him back from becoming a 1st team type all NBA player.

His numbers look better than Howards because you picked what is probably the best five game sequence of his career. He's a good player, but he isn't as good as Howard. He and Oden have the same problem - injuries. But staying healthy is part of the game.

Regardless of the timing of the 5 games, relying on a 5 game stretch in a 213 game NBA career defies just about every law of statistics.

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm too lazy to go to previous season game logs but what happened in games 6-10 before the injury? Why are you focusing on the *five* pre-injury games? What's so special about them that justifies this exclusive focus? Why not the 6 or 10 or 15 most recent pre-injury games?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm too lazy to go to previous season game logs but what happened in games 6-10 before the injury? Why are you focusing on the *five* pre-injury games? What's so special about them that justifies this exclusive focus? Why not the 6 or 10 or 15 most recent pre-injury games?

Because he injured his knee the previous year and they said it would take him around 9 months post op to get back to where he was--obviously at the beginning of the season--he was not there physically yet.