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Should the NBA keep or change the current lottery system?


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PresIke
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What system should the NBA use for new players entering the league?
The current lottery makes the most sense for the NBA, keep it as is.
It can stay, buts. Guarantee the winner a top 3-5 level off the odds for all non-playoff teams in some form to prevent tanking.
Hold an = odds pre-lotto 4 non-playoff teams w/o bottom 3-5 records. Guarantee the winner a top 3-5 draft spot for less tanking.
Freeze the draft order (for non-playoff teams) at the All Star Break to prevent tanking
Get rid of the lotto, keep the draft, and use the same system as the NFL.
Bye bye draft. Allow new players to join teams with cap room + some guaranteed money so any team can compete in signing.
Use the MLB/Premier League-like system and forget the cap. The Knicks are sure to benefit!
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orangeblobman
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5/18/2009  10:20 PM
Posted by PresIke:

actually, someone proposed the idea of regulating the bottom 2 teams in the discussion today on Knickerblogger's site, like they do in many international soccer leagues.

we have no minor league system just yet though, and there were some other issues someone mentioned.

for those interested in reading it here's the post:
http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=1775

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[Edited by - PresIke on 05-18-2009 10:12 PM]

edit:

you can't relegate a team in the united states because the teams are set up as franchises so demoting a team would mess up the revenues and ish, or something like that, and that's a no go...the european system is better but unrealistic here, unfortunately.

you can't relegate a team in the united states because the teams are set up as franchises so demoting a team would mess up the revenues and ish, or something like that, and that's a no go...the european system is better but unrealistic here, unfortunately.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-18-2009 10:20 PM]

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-18-2009 10:21 PM]
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5/18/2009  10:47 PM
Posted by Vmart:

I don't think a team should be rewarded for sucking. Rewarding a team for suck is plain stupid. That is why every year I propose a reverse order of odds for example the team that just missed the playoffs should be rewarded more than the team that just out and out did crappy.

That is why the envelopes in the barrel system was so much better, lottery should include all teams playoff team also why shouldn't they be rewarded for winning.

then how does a team ever get better?
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5/18/2009  10:56 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think if u just give every non playoff team the same amount of ping pong balls & just keep picking until all the lottery slots are filled, it's the fairest & easiest way to stop teams from tanking & ensure that lottery picks are left up to random chance rather than bad teams in bad markets intentionally losing to try & cash in on talented young players & not have to spend money in free agency.

& while we're on that topic, i think there should be a minimum cap figure set on teams that's more proportionate to the median average of salaries in the NBA... if teams are gonna benefit from luxury tax revenue sharing from big market teams that spend a lot on their payroll, then they should be made to spend those shared revenues & invest it back into their rosters.

I agree
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5/18/2009  11:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Vmart:

I don't think a team should be rewarded for sucking. Rewarding a team for suck is plain stupid. That is why every year I propose a reverse order of odds for example the team that just missed the playoffs should be rewarded more than the team that just out and out did crappy.

That is why the envelopes in the barrel system was so much better, lottery should include all teams playoff team also why shouldn't they be rewarded for winning.

then how does a team ever get better?

Its very simple teams that are good will draft by need and players they already have will become expendable for example Lakers might lose Odoms to free agency or they can bring him back. What they can do is draft a top notch player and let Odoms walk and that frees up the bad teams to pick up a player like Odoms. Just think some top pick players might not want to go to a good team because they are already good and that might mess with their careers so they will force trades. Good teams might even trade the top picks more readily for future picks. Allowing all teams into the lottery and giving the same odds helps the league in many ways. Trades increase, good teams trade their picks for future picks. Players change hands more often. Its very similar to the regional draft they use to have. The rich get richer but they can't always keep everyone, so trades are facilitated.

This actually will make teams better faster than waiting on the draft every year. For example how long have the Knicks been in the lottery. Seattle-Oklahoma has been there for a while now. You keep getting repeat visitors to the lottery they aren't getting better.

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5/20/2009  2:42 PM
i can see it now...

more praise for hijack city

after they landed their...

4th top 5 pick in 3 years

2007:#2 durant (no brainer) & #5 green (good pick)
2008: #4 westbrook (hard to throw around a lot of praise them since a lot of us wanted him)
2009: #3 ?

it is the fact that small market teams get rewarded for decimating their rosters while big market teams with much more pressure to put a winning product on the floor rarely do this that drives me mad.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-20-2009 2:43 PM]
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5/20/2009  2:47 PM
the lottery just needs some adjustments. I say give the teams that are actually trying to make the playoffs but just missed a fair shot at a top 5 pick... Increase their odds. that would prevent tanking.. I mean the suns are a playoff team if they are in the east, they didn't have a bad season, they need an injection of talent, so why should they not have a shot at a blake griffin. I mean a legit shot... I say just change the odds to where the other teams have a better chance of moving up, at least into the top 5...
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5/20/2009  2:54 PM
They need to average out a team's wins over the last three years in calculating lottery chances. That'll put an end to tanking. Team with the worst record in the last three years gets the best chance at the top pick.
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5/20/2009  4:57 PM
Reverse the draft. Instead of rewarding the worst team. reward the best lotto team with the most balls in proportion to wins. This will promote good management and force teams to try to win toward the end of the season. This rewarding failure process really doesn't create the right incentives for teams.
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5/20/2009  4:58 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

i have the perfect solution:

there are 30 teams and 16 make it, so 14 don't

what you do is you have a one game playoffs for the non-playoff teams, the worst 7 have home court. the winner of the playoff gets the first pick. perfect...think of the possibilities.

Now that could be exciting...
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PresIke
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5/20/2009  4:59 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Reverse the draft. Instead of rewarding the worst team. reward the best lotto team with the most balls in proportion to wins. This will promote good management and force teams to try to win toward the end of the season. This rewarding failure process really doesn't create the right incentives for teams.

except then teams who are borderline playoff teams might start to tank in this case.
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5/20/2009  5:22 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Reverse the draft. Instead of rewarding the worst team. reward the best lotto team with the most balls in proportion to wins. This will promote good management and force teams to try to win toward the end of the season. This rewarding failure process really doesn't create the right incentives for teams.

except then teams who are borderline playoff teams might start to tank in this case.

Yeah, there is a chance of that, but if the percentage of lotto balls is in proportion to wins rather than the more random percentages currently used and all teams are trying to win, there really isn't as much incentive to tank from the 8 seed to the lotto. Think about it, if the total number of wins among lotto teams is 400 and you just missed the 8 seed with 40 wins and miss the playoffs, you only have a 10% chance of winning the lottery. Compare that to the 25% chance given to the worst team under the current system. Under my system, that horrible team that only won 13 games ends up with a 3.2% chance of winning--- which is still better odds than the Knicks had this year.

I think the current NBA collective bargaining agreement and the lotto system is designed to create and maintain dynasties and not to encourage healthy competition. Mediocre teams stay mediocre. Teams over the cap are stuck in the quagmire (giggity giggity) and become the dumping ground for additional bad contracts. Free agents are discouraged from changing teams making it difficult, if not impossible to re-build through free agency. Trading rules are strict and unless you have a special relationship with another team, you can't get a deal done. The executive and coaching pool is basically a game of musical chairs. Can you imagine that Layden still has a job as an Assistant Coach working for the Jazz?

I think the NFL has the best system to build a team. Use the franchise tag. Stop guaranteeing contracts so players can be cut (so Marbury can't say 'if I wasn't so good, why would they pay me the maximum'). This way, we may never get Lebron via free agency, but teams can still build respectable squads, cut dead-weight and improve through the draft at the same time.

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