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5/10/2009  11:30 PM
Posted by BigC:
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The Knicks seem to feel the need to let everyone know who they are picking earlier every year. It doesn't make sense and takes away some of the flexibility that they have to make moves around the draft.

Teams do this all the time. It could be Curry's camp that is leaking out the information to increase his stock.

Probably true.
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5/10/2009  11:33 PM
I like Curry, but unless he can fully convert to PG, he's gonna be a huge defensive liability at 2 and mostly be a niche offensive player. We've got players like that now and have had a lot of players like that in the recent past- and its hard to make it work.

I think he's a stone cold lock to be a top notch NBA 6th man and average more than double digits for his career. And guess what, in this particular draft with the 8th pick that is probably going to be as good a result as your gonna get.
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5/10/2009  11:37 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I like Curry, but unless he can fully convert to PG, he's gonna be a huge defensive liability at 2 and mostly be a niche offensive player. We've got players like that now and have had a lot of players like that in the recent past- and its hard to make it work.

I think he's a stone cold lock to be a top notch NBA 6th man and average more than double digits for his career. And guess what, in this particular draft with the 8th pick that is probably going to be as good a result as your gonna get.

kinda confusing to figure out whether you wanna draft this kid or not based on that post... u like him but u know it's hard to build a winning team w/players like him... if all you can project from a #8 lottery pick is to be a career 6th man potential type guy, wouldn't u consider that a bust in essence regardless of the lack of star potential depth in this particular draft? at the very least you'd expect to land someone who can grow into a legit starter at the NBA level, no?
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5/10/2009  11:38 PM
Posted by joec32033:

This probably means Nate is gone, right? Sign and trade with Jefferies to Kings back on for a guy like Kenny Thomas and the #23 draft pick?

While I like this trade, we still need to rid of Curry. And I really don't like Lee as the starting PF on this team. Maybe they re-sign Lee and try to trade him later for someone like Bosh. I'd support that.
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5/10/2009  11:42 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

Curry is one of a number of D'Antoni types who will be available in this draft.

Assuming that you are talking about PGs, none of them has the all around shooting ability of Curry. Add that to his understanding of the game and ability to pass, and you have the foundation for a pretty good PG. I still wonder about his defensive ability, though.
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5/10/2009  11:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
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I like Curry, but unless he can fully convert to PG, he's gonna be a huge defensive liability at 2 and mostly be a niche offensive player. We've got players like that now and have had a lot of players like that in the recent past- and its hard to make it work.

I think he's a stone cold lock to be a top notch NBA 6th man and average more than double digits for his career. And guess what, in this particular draft with the 8th pick that is probably going to be as good a result as your gonna get.

kinda confusing to figure out whether you wanna draft this kid or not based on that post... u like him but u know it's hard to build a winning team w/players like him... if all you can project from a #8 lottery pick is to be a career 6th man potential type guy, wouldn't u consider that a bust in essence regardless of the lack of star potential depth in this particular draft? at the very least you'd expect to land someone who can grow into a legit starter at the NBA level, no?

This is a really shallow draft, so my response would be not necessarily. I think if Curry can develop into a PG (I have some doubts on this), then he can be a future star. But its not an easy transition- he's a shooter first and foremost and that's the skill he'll be primarily drafted for...the question is whether he can develop into a an offensive PG like Sam Cassell who not only makes big shots, but develops into a true team leader and orchestrates the offense. Its not something you can learn do in a short period of time. Unquestionably the only chance he has defensively is guarding PG's as he will be far too undersized to be competetive against most SG's. So the other path I see him taking is having a role like his father had (top shelf NBA sixth man), where he should be at least as good if not better (but remember, his father was 6'5" and more of a true SG). As a scoring SG, I can't see him having more success than a guy like Ben Gordon- Gordon is more well built and has a more varied offensive game IMO.

He's a pretty good pick at 8. Not my top choice, but certainly someone I am going to put under consideration and far less likely to bust IMO than several other players. I think you have to draft not only for ceiling but for probability they can live up to their expected value- and I think in that sense Curry could work out a bit better than DeRozan or Evans or Mullens or someone like that.


[Edited by - vdesai on 05-10-2009 11:44 PM]
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5/11/2009  12:05 AM
what about Derozan or Evans makes u think they have more bust potential tho? they've both played well during their freshman campaigns playing in major conferences & had good showings in the NCAA tourney... both are NBA ready physically to be tough covers at the pro level & will both enjoy physical size advantages over other guys playing the same position... i would think the transition would be easier to make for these 2 as opposed to Curry, who will be starting off at a huge disadvantage right from the get go unless like u said he can successfully convert into being a fulltime PG, but even then he'll only be of average size, speed, quickness & court awareness to master that position as well... i don't doubt the kid's work ethic but man, hard work can only get you so far without the talent & the physical attributes to back it up... if Curry ends up being another Sam Cassell obviously no one would complain in & of itself, but i sure would hate missing out on the next possible superstar to go after him... even if Curry seems like the "safer choice" (whatever that means when most every draft pick is a crap shoot anyway), i'd still like to take the higher upside guy & take my chances everytime... yeah, you're gonna miss out of some good to very good players along the way, but if you strike it rich 1 time, that's all u may need for another 10-15 years to be championship calibre team... u need franchise talent to win championships.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-10-2009 9:06 PM]
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5/11/2009  12:28 AM
I think Curry has enough of a handle and basketball IQ to combine with his otherworldly shooting and passing to become an ideal 1 for D'Antoni. I also think he can play D as a 1 he has better hands than people would expect and is also a better athlete than people expect.
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5/11/2009  2:04 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

I think Curry has enough of a handle and basketball IQ to combine with his otherworldly shooting and passing to become an ideal 1 for D'Antoni. I also think he can play D as a 1 he has better hands than people would expect and is also a better athlete than people expect.

completely agree.

vdesai, the yr curry made the run in the tourney there was a senior pg i forget what his name was he was like a 6'5 white guy who was good. regardless, curry played as primarily a shooter at davidson because they had a vet point. this past season with that guy gone he played point with a bunch of scrubs and averaged like 6 or 7 assists/game. i think his floor is ben gordon, and his ceiling is comparable to nash's dominance when he won back to back mvps. if he can't play point, he'll be a great 6th man scorer off the bench. ben gordon demonstrated this yr, that's a great player to have. if he can play point, which i think he can given that he demonstrated a good handle, good court sense, good passing skills, and smart overall play these last 2 years, he will be a nice player to have.

having a guy that can do damage with the ball in his hands is most important in d'antoni's system, so whether its curry, evans, flynn, rubio, or whoever, walsh and d'antoni better figure it out and draft him -- enough is enough with the busts and non impact players -- draft a stud!
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5/11/2009  2:06 AM
I can't understand why some worry about Curry's NBA worthiness as a PG when there are guys with less talent in the league right now. Coach and system can mean everything for some players and I think Curry would be a good match for MDA. One ofbthe things that makes Nash so good in MDA's system is his ability to shoot from anywhere on the court while still being a deft passer. Until Nash got with MDA we didn't see all of his game. Maybe that will happen for Curry if we get him.
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5/11/2009  2:11 AM


here is a great mixtape of curry filling it up. the play at the end where he creates a wide open shot, which is airballed by his teammate, and then curry gets the kick out with no time left on the shot clock and drains like a 40 foot 3 is indicative of what i meant by "he played with scrubs." put this guy in d'antoni's offense with pro players and i think he can run an offense, no problem.
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5/11/2009  2:39 AM
I really don't see how he can run an offense from that video. 95% of that video is him shooting jump shots. We already know he's a good shooter. We just don't know if there is much else he can do that well.
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5/11/2009  2:48 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

I really don't see how he can run an offense from that video. 95% of that video is him shooting jump shots. We already know he's a good shooter. We just don't know if there is much else he can do that well.

how about this video


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5/11/2009  4:56 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I like Curry, but unless he can fully convert to PG, he's gonna be a huge defensive liability at 2 and mostly be a niche offensive player. We've got players like that now and have had a lot of players like that in the recent past- and its hard to make it work.

I think he's a stone cold lock to be a top notch NBA 6th man and average more than double digits for his career. And guess what, in this particular draft with the 8th pick that is probably going to be as good a result as your gonna get.
If the Knicks draft Curry he is not going to be guarding 2 guards. He will be guarding point guards. Look at the players we have now. The season could start and it could be Curry and Larry Hughes in the backcourt. Hughes would guard shooting guards while Curry focuses on guarding point guards. Curry is also good at playing passing lanes. If you get Curry and Larry in the backcourt watch out because the Knicks will be racking up steals left and right.

Or better yet imagine Chandler and Curry in the backcourt. Chandler can hold his own on the defensive end at the 2 guard spot. At the point gaurd spot really how many point guards really guard their man in the NBA? Most of the times players are label as good defenders by the amount of steals they get. Duhon got killed trying guard smaller and quicker point guards. The Knicks opponents will not have it that easy with Curry because they will also have to use energy trying to guard Curry on the offensive end. Compare this to Duhon who must point guard do not really have to use energy to guard Duhon because he is not a scorer.

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5/11/2009  6:04 AM
I think Curry can play the point. His ball handling and passing may not be great, but they're decent - and they will improve. I love his quick release. He is smart enough and quick enough to get his shot off against more athletic defenders. And D'Antoni's system gives players open looks behind the arc.
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5/11/2009  8:53 AM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by VDesai:

I like Curry, but unless he can fully convert to PG, he's gonna be a huge defensive liability at 2 and mostly be a niche offensive player. We've got players like that now and have had a lot of players like that in the recent past- and its hard to make it work.

I think he's a stone cold lock to be a top notch NBA 6th man and average more than double digits for his career. And guess what, in this particular draft with the 8th pick that is probably going to be as good a result as your gonna get.
If the Knicks draft Curry he is not going to be guarding 2 guards. He will be guarding point guards. Look at the players we have now. The season could start and it could be Curry and Larry Hughes in the backcourt. Hughes would guard shooting guards while Curry focuses on guarding point guards. Curry is also good at playing passing lanes. If you get Curry and Larry in the backcourt watch out because the Knicks will be racking up steals left and right.

Or better yet imagine Chandler and Curry in the backcourt. Chandler can hold his own on the defensive end at the 2 guard spot. At the point gaurd spot really how many point guards really guard their man in the NBA? Most of the times players are label as good defenders by the amount of steals they get. Duhon got killed trying guard smaller and quicker point guards. The Knicks opponents will not have it that easy with Curry because they will also have to use energy trying to guard Curry on the offensive end. Compare this to Duhon who must point guard do not really have to use energy to guard Duhon because he is not a scorer.

On a long term basis, if the Knicks don't always play with an oversized point, they won't be able to sneak Curry on PG's.

Where Curry makes sense as a long term PG is if the Knicks bring in a player like Wade or Lebron. If Booby can score 10-15 with LBJ's scraps and Mo Williams 17-18, Curry could legitimately put in close to 20 or more playing that kind of role. He wouldn't be counted on to be the playmaker, but could play a steady PG and really shoot the lights out.
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5/11/2009  9:12 AM
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what about Derozan or Evans makes u think they have more bust potential tho? they've both played well during their freshman campaigns playing in major conferences & had good showings in the NCAA tourney... both are NBA ready physically to be tough covers at the pro level & will both enjoy physical size advantages over other guys playing the same position... i would think the transition would be easier to make for these 2 as opposed to Curry, who will be starting off at a huge disadvantage right from the get go unless like u said he can successfully convert into being a fulltime PG, but even then he'll only be of average size, speed, quickness & court awareness to master that position as well... i don't doubt the kid's work ethic but man, hard work can only get you so far without the talent & the physical attributes to back it up... if Curry ends up being another Sam Cassell obviously no one would complain in & of itself, but i sure would hate missing out on the next possible superstar to go after him... even if Curry seems like the "safer choice" (whatever that means when most every draft pick is a crap shoot anyway), i'd still like to take the higher upside guy & take my chances everytime... yeah, you're gonna miss out of some good to very good players along the way, but if you strike it rich 1 time, that's all u may need for another 10-15 years to be championship calibre team... u need franchise talent to win championships.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-10-2009 9:06 PM]

DeRozan was pretty bad during the early part of the season and later in the middle of year, and while he had a really good run late, I don't see the long term consistency yet from him. You mention his size, but I don't know that he's ready to take advantage that on the NBA level, and honestly if he's playing NBA SF (which is the position he seems best suited for), he'll be a little smaller for that role. He has good potential, but here's a guy I'd definitely like to see a sophomore year from. If he was in last year's draft I doubt he would've sniffed the top 10.

Evans is a player with poor shot selection and is in between two positions. Another guy who I'd like to see take a significant step forward. He could be a truly great player, but has a lot of the red flags that players with bust potential generally have. At this point in his development he's also a very risky pick. I view him as a very similar prospect to Larry Hughes when he came out...Hughes kind of ended up somewhere in the middle- somewhat dissapointing, it took teams several years to keep him strictly at SG, but once he found his niche he became a good NBA player. If Evans can't establish himself as a PG right away he may follow the same career path.

Curry has a fully developed, top notch NBA skill and enough ability to fill an NBA role from the jump and do that at a very high level. In addition his work ethic and IQ to me will allow him to adapt to the pro level quickly and not suffer from the growing pains that may affect the other 2 guys.

I can't say I'm fully decided about which of the 3 I'd be most interested in taking at this point, but I woudn't necessarily be angry with any of them at 8. I'd lean towards Curry now, but I'd like to see the workouts/combines etc. before I can ultimately say "we have to get this guy..."

Griffin, Rubio, Thabeet, Harden and Hill are the only 5 guys that I'd be happy to take at 8 without hesitation, but clearly they will be top 5. I'd probably throw Jonny Flynn in there as a borderline guy as well. I think he's gonna be a terrific NBA PG- he has the heart, leadership, toughness and skillset to be a true PG- his only limiting factor is height.
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5/11/2009  9:16 AM


vdesai, the yr curry made the run in the tourney there was a senior pg i forget what his name was he was like a 6'5 white guy who was good. regardless, curry played as primarily a shooter at davidson because they had a vet point. this past season with that guy gone he played point with a bunch of scrubs and averaged like 6 or 7 assists/game. i think his floor is ben gordon, and his ceiling is comparable to nash's dominance when he won back to back mvps. if he can't play point, he'll be a great 6th man scorer off the bench. ben gordon demonstrated this yr, that's a great player to have. if he can play point, which i think he can given that he demonstrated a good handle, good court sense, good passing skills, and smart overall play these last 2 years, he will be a nice player to have.


That's basically what I've been saying. I know he's been playing PG this year, but 1 year doesn't necessarily make a PG. I think PG more than any other position demands experience and is one of the hardest transitions to make. I think he's a sureshot as an NBA sixth man and that value is why he'd work as the 8th pick in this draft. There is no doubt he has an NBA role and will have a long career- the question is whether he'll be a good contributor or whether he can be a star- the latter is predicated on him being an NBA PG IMO b/c of the limiting factors he has as a 2G.
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5/11/2009  9:20 AM
How tall is this dude anyway? Some sites have him listed at 6ft and others have him at 6'3....wtf???
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5/11/2009  9:26 AM
one can find the video here where bobby knight says, and diagrams specific instances that support his belief that curry was the best passer in college basketball.

how can he not be able to play pg if someone like him is willing to say this?

he was among the top assist getters in college too.

and of course...

he actually played PG most of last year.

and folks are very doubtful he can play the position...

because he can shoot?

guess steve nash should be considered an undersized sg. too good of a shooter to be pg.

curry HAD to shoot on his team...because they stunk outside of him, for the most part.

in the nba, that is just not going to be the case.
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