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5/10/2009  7:01 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

The 2010 plan moves on with or without LeBron. Let him enjoy this run and we'll see if by the end of the playoffs he is a champion. If he is, there will be more to talk about LeBron to NY. Right now the only place he wants to be is Cleveland and who can blame him? A championship run can make that happen.



u got it right... regardless if Lebron wins a championship in CLE or not, the talk is not gonna go away of him coming to NY unless he re-signs this offseason... & whether or not he comes here or not, the plan remains the same... try to free up enough cap space to make a run at 2 impact FA's in 2010 while making sure you can field a competitive team next season... it's a very tough challenge for Donnie, but that was his mission statement when he came here & that's not gonna change until 2010 is over & done with.
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5/11/2009  2:17 AM
lebron believes in the free market. he won't re-sign.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-10-2009 11:17 PM]
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5/11/2009  6:03 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

lebron believes in the free market. he won't re-sign.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-10-2009 11:17 PM]
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Dream on. In 2010 no top player is coming to New York. Let's face it! It takes tough skin to survive in New York and our rep of chasing player out is all around the league. We would be lucky to resign Lee and Nate. Face facts if we don't home grow a superstar we ain't getting one. New York have a bad rep among NBA players as quiet as its kept.

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5/11/2009  10:03 AM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BigSm00th:

lebron believes in the free market. he won't re-sign.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-10-2009 11:17 PM]
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Dream on. In 2010 no top player is coming to New York. Let's face it! It takes tough skin to survive in New York and our rep of chasing player out is all around the league. We would be lucky to resign Lee and Nate. Face facts if we don't home grow a superstar we ain't getting one. New York have a bad rep among NBA players as quiet as its kept.

Let's face it, you are wrong.
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5/11/2009  10:39 AM
Personally I think there are a lot of signs in the way this team is being managed that they have more than a hint that they can get Lebron. Also plenty of external signs as well. The diversity of so-called NBA and sports insiders who believe this is happening is also pretty compelling. It doesn't appear to be an obvious slam dunk yet, but I think his chance of coming here is very real and I believe it will happen.
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5/11/2009  10:49 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Personally I think there are a lot of signs in the way this team is being managed that they have more than a hint that they can get Lebron. Also plenty of external signs as well. The diversity of so-called NBA and sports insiders who believe this is happening is also pretty compelling. It doesn't appear to be an obvious slam dunk yet, but I think his chance of coming here is very real and I believe it will happen.

this always happens. kobe to the clippers, jordan to the knicks, etc., it's just something to talk about, but when the day comes, they stay where they're at. inevitable that lebron stays. hype hype hypeeee it upppppppp.
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5/11/2009  11:02 AM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by VDesai:

Personally I think there are a lot of signs in the way this team is being managed that they have more than a hint that they can get Lebron. Also plenty of external signs as well. The diversity of so-called NBA and sports insiders who believe this is happening is also pretty compelling. It doesn't appear to be an obvious slam dunk yet, but I think his chance of coming here is very real and I believe it will happen.

this always happens. kobe to the clippers, jordan to the knicks, etc., it's just something to talk about, but when the day comes, they stay where they're at. inevitable that lebron stays. hype hype hypeeee it upppppppp.

I don't EVER recall Jordan to the Knicks, and while there was talk about Kobe to Clipps, it was an obvious negotiating ploy. Not the same with LeBron.

I've read some conservative minded sports people ALL talk about the possibility of LeBron to NY.
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5/11/2009  11:16 AM
inevitable?

i thought i was a skeptical person, but this seems more and more about protecting ourselves from the disappointment of lebron not coming than much else.

if we think he might come, and he doesn't it doesn't mean he was never coming either. who the heck knows?

lebron or any of these big fee-agents to the knicks is not a complete pipe dream by any means.

folks continue to say no one wants to play here, which sounds like more hot air. who, with any kind of real credibility on this issue, (not fans with no real insight other than pure speculation) says this is true? we have little basis for such views under the current leadership, because we had isiah and layden in charge for the past decade.

people look at guys like c-webb and brian grant sagas as reason why, but hello...we weren't anywhere near getting under the cap in those days. the only way we could have landed such players was to sign-and-trade. under isiah i don't even remember one discussion outside of kobe last summer, as a chance of getting top star, and kobe wasn't yet a free-agent.

we have not had an opportunity to sign a big free agent since 1996.

it officially will be 14 years, if we do get under the cap by 2010.

14 YEARS...

14 YEARS...

how can we compare these situations to now?

why have the Yankees, with no cap, been able to sign big stars practically every year? because they will pay top dollar and as a player if you are on the Yanks, and up for the challenge, then you can get a lot more fame and money, or maybe as i have suggested, you want to live in a big city where you can access things you CANNOT in a lot of American "cities" that have zero-little real diverse urban life and opportunities of all sorts.


[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 11:17 AM]
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5/11/2009  11:17 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by VDesai:

Personally I think there are a lot of signs in the way this team is being managed that they have more than a hint that they can get Lebron. Also plenty of external signs as well. The diversity of so-called NBA and sports insiders who believe this is happening is also pretty compelling. It doesn't appear to be an obvious slam dunk yet, but I think his chance of coming here is very real and I believe it will happen.

this always happens. kobe to the clippers, jordan to the knicks, etc., it's just something to talk about, but when the day comes, they stay where they're at. inevitable that lebron stays. hype hype hypeeee it upppppppp.

I don't EVER recall Jordan to the Knicks, and while there was talk about Kobe to Clipps, it was an obvious negotiating ploy. Not the same with LeBron.

I've read some conservative minded sports people ALL talk about the possibility of LeBron to NY.

i think it was in 1996, but it was a negotiating ploy, too. maybe all this lebron stuff is a ploy to test cleveland's resolve to put together a championship team.

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5/11/2009  11:22 AM
i never remember any of the jordan talk being other than speculation by a few local journalists, not a league wide held view.

reggie miller was more of an option in 1996, but we went for a younger player in houston.

you still keep insisting it's something, anything, other than possible he could come, based on no real evidence. c'mon man.

it's a ploy to test cleveland to put together a champ team? ummm...aren't they that material now?

it could be, but don't you think the cavs want to do that anyway? they don't need lebron to force them. they aren't the grizzlies, sorry.

and as for a negotiating ploy...ummm...what exactly is he negotiating other than this? the cavs can't pay him anything other than a bird rights max deal, which you have to assume he will be offered.

this just doesn't make much sense, to me, but maybe i'm totally insane...okay let's not answer that question, but you get the point.
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5/11/2009  4:26 PM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BigSm00th:

lebron believes in the free market. he won't re-sign.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-10-2009 11:17 PM]
Papabear Says
Dream on. In 2010 no top player is coming to New York. Let's face it! It takes tough skin to survive in New York and our rep of chasing player out is all around the league. We would be lucky to resign Lee and Nate. Face facts if we don't home grow a superstar we ain't getting one. New York have a bad rep among NBA players as quiet as its kept.

Excellent post!
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5/11/2009  4:27 PM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BigSm00th:

lebron believes in the free market. he won't re-sign.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-10-2009 11:17 PM]
Papabear Says
Dream on. In 2010 no top player is coming to New York. Let's face it! It takes tough skin to survive in New York and our rep of chasing player out is all around the league. We would be lucky to resign Lee and Nate. Face facts if we don't home grow a superstar we ain't getting one. New York have a bad rep among NBA players as quiet as its kept.

Thank you pb. You are one of the few posters that actually gets it.
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5/11/2009  4:37 PM
if lebron wanted to stay in cleveland, he would've resigned. by holding out and delaying his extension, he doesn't make himself any more money.

i feel confident that lebron will be a knick in 14 months, especially if he gets a chip this yr.
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5/11/2009  4:47 PM
papa's my boy, but i pray you all are joking. for the sake of knick fan humanity...

okay, maybe that's asking too much...

for the sake of knick fan humility...

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 4:48 PM]
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5/11/2009  5:28 PM
Posted by PresIke:

inevitable?

i thought i was a skeptical person, but this seems more and more about protecting ourselves from the disappointment of lebron not coming than much else.

if we think he might come, and he doesn't it doesn't mean he was never coming either. who the heck knows?

lebron or any of these big fee-agents to the knicks is not a complete pipe dream by any means.

folks continue to say no one wants to play here, which sounds like more hot air. who, with any kind of real credibility on this issue, (not fans with no real insight other than pure speculation) says this is true? we have little basis for such views under the current leadership, because we had isiah and layden in charge for the past decade.

people look at guys like c-webb and brian grant sagas as reason why, but hello...we weren't anywhere near getting under the cap in those days. the only way we could have landed such players was to sign-and-trade. under isiah i don't even remember one discussion outside of kobe last summer, as a chance of getting top star, and kobe wasn't yet a free-agent.

we have not had an opportunity to sign a big free agent since 1996.

it officially will be 14 years, if we do get under the cap by 2010.

14 YEARS...

14 YEARS...

how can we compare these situations to now?

why have the Yankees, with no cap, been able to sign big stars practically every year? because they will pay top dollar and as a player if you are on the Yanks, and up for the challenge, then you can get a lot more fame and money, or maybe as i have suggested, you want to live in a big city where you can access things you CANNOT in a lot of American "cities" that have zero-little real diverse urban life and opportunities of all sorts.


[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 11:17 AM]

fact is it's alot easier to say he's not coming here... there's nothing to invest of yourself in terms of hope & nothing to lose if u get it wrong... if Lebron does come here, even the ones who said he'd never come are gonna be ecstatic over it... if Lebron doesn't come, then the naysayers can enjoy posting their "I told you so" threads & rub it in our faces that they knew it all along as if that's something to be proud of as a Knicks fan... i don't understand any Knick fan that doesn't at least hold out HOPE that Lebron will come here in 2010, regardless if it's a pipedream or not, but to each their own i suppose.
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5/11/2009  5:40 PM
watching the espn interview with spike lee and whoever that annoying dude is saying he's not "loyal" epitimizes my point.

he is ridiculously ignorant, sorry. jim brown on cleveland is from an entirely different period of history. that ish doesn't exist anymore no matter how much one wants to romanticize and fantasize about it.

brown didn't live in the post free-agency period, which some fans might complain about, but of course for the workers...the players...not the owners who can do whatever they want to make as much money as they wayt outside of break salary cap, players had little power or choice which was ridiculously unfair.

that man is so obviously obsessed with loyalty over business and fulfulling happiness and lifestyle choices.

guess what...most people who are aware of how businesses will take advantage of you in the current world, fire you as soon as they deem you unecessary, etc. will do what they can to be happy...which means loyalty to a company is highly over-rated, in general.

unfortunately, and quite unfairly, as have many midwestnerers experienced such a thing with the demise of manufacturing, the auto industry, etc.

the point is i have been suggesting is that lebron is probably not just about making the most money. he has other motives, which i suspect may fit in with academic research that shows that it is doing what you love, around people you want to be around, etc....in other words fits the person you are...makes us happy.

for as much as cleveland may love lebron, that doesn't mean the feeling is mutual.

ever have someone else love or really like you, but you don't feel the same in return? you may even love them as a friend, but not a lover.

it might be the same ish, and anyone can understand that (as long as you've experienced such a thing.

if you continue to think loyalty to businesses who will drop you as soon as you aren't deemed "valuable" is most important in today's world you will be schooled in this society and more likely to be unhappy.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 5:41 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 5:42 PM]
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5/11/2009  5:44 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by PresIke:

inevitable?

i thought i was a skeptical person, but this seems more and more about protecting ourselves from the disappointment of lebron not coming than much else.

if we think he might come, and he doesn't it doesn't mean he was never coming either. who the heck knows?

lebron or any of these big fee-agents to the knicks is not a complete pipe dream by any means.

folks continue to say no one wants to play here, which sounds like more hot air. who, with any kind of real credibility on this issue, (not fans with no real insight other than pure speculation) says this is true? we have little basis for such views under the current leadership, because we had isiah and layden in charge for the past decade.

people look at guys like c-webb and brian grant sagas as reason why, but hello...we weren't anywhere near getting under the cap in those days. the only way we could have landed such players was to sign-and-trade. under isiah i don't even remember one discussion outside of kobe last summer, as a chance of getting top star, and kobe wasn't yet a free-agent.

we have not had an opportunity to sign a big free agent since 1996.

it officially will be 14 years, if we do get under the cap by 2010.

14 YEARS...

14 YEARS...

how can we compare these situations to now?

why have the Yankees, with no cap, been able to sign big stars practically every year? because they will pay top dollar and as a player if you are on the Yanks, and up for the challenge, then you can get a lot more fame and money, or maybe as i have suggested, you want to live in a big city where you can access things you CANNOT in a lot of American "cities" that have zero-little real diverse urban life and opportunities of all sorts.


[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 11:17 AM]

fact is it's alot easier to say he's not coming here... there's nothing to invest of yourself in terms of hope & nothing to lose if u get it wrong... if Lebron does come here, even the ones who said he'd never come are gonna be ecstatic over it... if Lebron doesn't come, then the naysayers can enjoy posting their "I told you so" threads & rub it in our faces that they knew it all along as if that's something to be proud of as a Knicks fan... i don't understand any Knick fan that doesn't at least hold out HOPE that Lebron will come here in 2010, regardless if it's a pipedream or not, but to each their own i suppose.

tms, bro, that's kind of the point. i'm not saying he won't come or he is, but saying there is no chance he is coming for flawed reasons that are easily criticized is more about our own fears.

i'm not stupid enough to think lebron IS coming, but i am not afraid he will "reject us" enough to say there is no way he's coming either.

of course, i hope he does, but we'll live.

shoot, we've been in a terrible situation for years. at some point, just even based on probability, we will get better eventually.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 5:45 PM]
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5/11/2009  5:50 PM
even if Lebron doesn't come here, there's still other guys in 2010 to target that is reason enough to aim for cap space... seems to me the only ones against the 2010 cap space plan are the ones that are desperately obsessed with making the playoffs next season because they're so afraid to lose a lottery pick we don't even own... it's ridiculous but i guess building just to be good enough to make playoff appearances is more important than aiming for a franchise stud to build around & putting together a championship calibre roster for some.
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8/8/2009  10:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4383960

AKRON, Ohio -- LeBron James is going to make the Cleveland Cavaliers wait -- and sweat.

James indicated Friday that he is unlikely to accept a contract extension from the Cavs until after the 2009-10 season and presumably will become a free agent.

At an event in his hometown to unveil Nike Air Max LeBron VII, the latest sneaker in his signature line, James made his strongest comments yet about his future. The NBA's reigning MVP said he signed a three-year contract in 2006 to give him more options once it expires.

"I signed a contract in 2006 with an option, and it would make no sense for me to sign that contract if I didn't keep my options open," he said. "I'll let you fill in the blanks."

The Cavaliers offered James a contract extension on July 18, the three-year anniversary of the signing of his current contract. The team could offer the extension -- at the highest salary allowed -- of up to three years. James can sign the extension offer anytime before June 30, 2010.

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To get the opportunity to play with one of the greatest basketball players to ever play the game, that's the fun part for me. I'm humbled by that.
” -- LeBron James on Shaquille O'Neal

James, who will make $15.7 million next season, also has an option in his current contract that can extend his deal through the 2010-11 season.

However, it appears for now that James does not intend to sign the extension or pick up his one-year option for $17.1 million anytime soon.

The 24-year-old superstar said his agent, Leon Rose, and Cavaliers general manager Danny Ferry have had "a great conversation." But James remained noncommittal about his plans beyond the upcoming season, one he hopes ends with the Cavs, who acquired All-Star center Shaquille O'Neal shortly after their season ended, winning their first NBA title.

James was similarly positioned in 2006, when he decided to sign a three-year extension with the Cavs.

Despite James' insistence that he's happy in Cleveland, his choice to delay his decision is certain to spark more speculation that he'll sign with another club next summer. James has maintained that he's pleased with the Cavs' direction, owner Dan Gilbert and Ferry's attempts to add more talent to Cleveland's roster.

James said he isn't worried about his contract situation becoming a distraction.

Following an elaborate multimedia presentation by Nike, James, who will embark on a tour promoting his new shoe and "More Than A Game," a documentary chronicling his days at St. Vincent-St. Mary High School, answered questions about O'Neal and Magic forward Rashard Lewis' 10-game suspension for testing positive for an elevated testosterone level.

James also reiterated his Thursday comments in which he said he regretted not doing a mandatory postgame media session after the Cavaliers were eliminated from the playoffs by the Orlando Magic. But he also said that he didn't think he owed anyone an apology for failing to shake hands with the Magic players immediately after the series ended.

James offered sympathy to Lewis, who admitted taking an over-the-counter supplement late last season that included a substance he did not realize was banned by the league.

"It's unfortunate," James said. "I know Rashard really well and I know he's not that type of guy who would do anything to get the upper edge on another player, that's first and foremost. You just have to use great judgment. We have guys with us every day who can find out for you if it [substance] is banned or not banned by the NBA. A mistake by him."

James said he is looking forward to being teammates with O'Neal, one of the few athletes on the planet as recognizable as James himself.

"To get the opportunity to play with one of the greatest basketball players to ever play the game, that's the fun part for me," James said. "I'm humbled by that."


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8/9/2009  2:18 AM
I can see it happening. If it did, it would parallel Reggie Jackson as the biggest free agent signing in NY. Man let's admit it- we would FREAK if he was here and we are so down now we can't even imagine it. That would be SO great to be able to see at the Garden. I don't care if it would be with Jared Jeffries!
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