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Andrew
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5/4/2009  2:13 PM
sebster, I wasn't really addressing that point, but a legal definition of breaking and entering:

breaking and entering v., n. entering a residence or other enclosed property through the slightest amount of force (even pushing open a door), without authorization.


I don't know the laws of the state that this happened in, but the charge does not seem that far fetched according to that definition.

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5/4/2009  2:21 PM
maybe they should draft paul wall...
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5/4/2009  2:22 PM
Posted by Andrew:

sebster, I wasn't really addressing that point, but a legal definition of breaking and entering:

breaking and entering v., n. entering a residence or other enclosed property through the slightest amount of force (even pushing open a door), without authorization.


I don't know the laws of the state that this happened in, but the charge does not seem that far fetched according to that definition.

Well obviously we are dealing with a limited amount of facts so we both are just speculating at this point, but the cop did say he only saw him leaving the residence, not entering, so there is the chance that he didnt even use slight force to enter.

I guess the overall point is that there is obviously an explanation, given that he wasnt holding any property as he was exiting. The cop didnt have to charge him with B + E if he didnt want to.
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5/4/2009  3:31 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

A B&E? Did you see Dane Cook last night?

Haha, I'm probably the only person that got that.

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5/4/2009  3:33 PM
Posted by s3231:
Posted by Allanfan20:

A B&E? Did you see Dane Cook last night?

Haha, I'm probably the only person that got that.

No man, Dane Cook is beat... though I did really like his My First Time bit
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5/4/2009  3:40 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by s3231:
Posted by Allanfan20:

A B&E? Did you see Dane Cook last night?

Haha, I'm probably the only person that got that.

No man, Dane Cook is beat... though I did really like his My First Time bit

Definitely. I think he is overrated as hell but I still find the B&E thing pretty funny.
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5/4/2009  3:44 PM

I think we are forgetting something here.

Why was the cop called to the house? FOr a cook out?

Did an alarm go off? Did the Wall see there was a cop so the best thing to do is leave without anything? I mean, come on guys, he was arrested for being a young black kid leaving a house and the cop was just eating donuts on the street?
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5/4/2009  3:53 PM
Posted by Nalod:


I think we are forgetting something here.

Why was the cop called to the house? FOr a cook out?

Did an alarm go off? Did the Wall see there was a cop so the best thing to do is leave without anything? I mean, come on guys, he was arrested for being a young black kid leaving a house and
the cop was just eating donuts on the street
?

Now THAT doesn't sound too far-fetched

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5/4/2009  4:10 PM
Posted by Nalod:


I think we are forgetting something here.

Why was the cop called to the house? FOr a cook out?

Did an alarm go off? Did the Wall see there was a cop so the best thing to do is leave without anything? I mean, come on guys, he was arrested for being a young black kid leaving a house and the cop was just eating donuts on the street?

yeah, ur right Nalod... that kinda stuff NEVER happens in America... cops ALWAYS have a legit reason to arrest black dudes & God knows they all hate donuts.

i'm bustin' yer chops but my point is if there's no evidence he stole anything or forced entry, how can u charge him w/a B&E... just seems so excessive to me... i see the definition of what B&E is but here's the definition of Trespassing:

Burglary & Criminal Trespass Law & Legal Definition

A person is guilty of criminal trespass if he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling or premises, or if he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building or upon real property which is fenced or enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders. A person commits criminal trespass who, knowing he does not have the owner’s effective consent to do so, enters or remains on property, or a portion thereof. Laws vary by state, so local laws must be consulted to determine applicable requirements. It is a defense to the crime to show that an element of the crime, such as knowingly entering or remaining without authorization, is lacking. An attempted criminal trespass requires that a defendant act with the intent to commit criminal trespass, and his conduct must constitute a substantial step toward committing the aggravated criminal trespass.

The following is an example of a state statute defining "remain unlawfully":

A person "enters or remains unlawfully" in or upon premises when he is not licensed, invited or privileged to do so. A person who, regardless of his intent, enters or remains in or upon premises which are at the time open to the public does so with license and privilege unless he defies a lawful order not to enter or remain, personally communicated to him by the owner of such premises or other authorized person. A license or privilege to enter or remain in a building which is partly open to the public is not a license or privilege to enter or remain in that part of the building which is not open to the public. A person who enters or remains upon unimproved and apparently unused land, which is neither fenced nor otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders, does so with license and privileges unless notice against trespass is personally communicated to him by the owner of such land or other authorized person, or unless such notice is given by posting in a conspicuous manner."

Burglary laws also vary by state, but may generally be defined as when a person knowingly and unlawfully enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling or building with intent to commit a crime therein. Degrees of burglary are defined by each state's laws. Laws vary by state, so local law should be consulted to determine the law applicable in your area.


seems like there's a lotta different definitions u can classify this alleged crime with... not sure what the severity of the penalties are from state to state, but i have to believe u could just as easily classify this in the lowest scale of offenses.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 1:15 PM]
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5/4/2009  5:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

well, hopefully this means Wall declares for the draft now... every good prospect helps the Knicks' cause... not like we woulda been able to draft him next year anyway... he probably won't fall to us but he'll push other guys down a notch at least... maybe my guy will be on the board now at #8.

unless some GM's get scared off by this BS episode & they let him drop to us... that would be a windfall for the Knicks.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 11:05 AM]

Yeah, lets draft him... as long as he does not choose to live in Fresh Meadows.


If he really did what he is accused of doing, his lack of judgment is beyond comprehension and says more about him than any assist, crossover dribble, or dunk can do. Perhaps his SAT problem illustrates more than just academic weakness.
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5/4/2009  5:48 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by TMS:

well, hopefully this means Wall declares for the draft now... every good prospect helps the Knicks' cause... not like we woulda been able to draft him next year anyway... he probably won't fall to us but he'll push other guys down a notch at least... maybe my guy will be on the board now at #8.

unless some GM's get scared off by this BS episode & they let him drop to us... that would be a windfall for the Knicks.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 11:05 AM]

Yeah, lets draft him... as long as he does not choose to live in Fresh Meadows.


If he really did what he is accused of doing, his lack of judgment is beyond comprehension and says more about him than any assist, crossover dribble, or dunk can do. Perhaps his SAT problem illustrates more than just academic weakness.

maybe... or maybe he's just a young kid who made a stupid choice & will learn from it? i'm sure you've had your fair share of those as have i... so the Knicks should steer clear of any kids who have had problems with the law in the past no matter what? Caron Butler wouldn't have made a good draft pick for us? Allen Iverson? i get the whole Zach Randolph argument & the desire to steer clear of questionable character guys... i for one have no idea what Wall's personality is like or what his background is like, but a kid w/that much talent & ability at least deserves serious consideration after doing ur due diligence to find out what kinda kid he is & whether this is probably an aberration or just a sign of more things to come down the road... they're not all gonna turn out like JR Rider.
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5/4/2009  5:54 PM
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/1512888.html

Just as I suspected, the house was completely vacant. What bullsyt. Judging by the fact that he was at the house with a friend and a girl, its clear they were just looking for a spot to run a train on her.

Again, not the greatest decision ever but a breaking and entering charge with a corresponding sensationalized headline is just bogus.

...waits for ESPN to make him out to be a monster.
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5/4/2009  5:55 PM
Posted by Paladin55:


If he really did what he is accused of doing, his lack of judgment is beyond comprehension and says more about him than any assist, crossover dribble, or dunk can do. Perhaps his SAT problem illustrates more than just academic weakness.

C'mon now. Dont fall for it.
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5/4/2009  6:47 PM
Posted by sebstar:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/1512888.html

Just as I suspected, the house was completely vacant. What bullsyt. Judging by the fact that he was at the house with a friend and a girl, its clear they were just looking for a spot to run a train on her.

Again, not the greatest decision ever but a breaking and entering charge with a corresponding sensationalized headline is just bogus.

...waits for ESPN to make him out to be a monster.

lol... i was about to ask were there any other people found w/him at the scene? a chick perhaps? almost sounded like he was trying to sneak out of his girl's house & the cops caught him sneaking around in the back or something the first time i read the original article & it was reported nothing was stolen & no forced entry was detected.

hopefully that won't be the case... the kid should be locked up for the rest of his life for such a heinous crime!

looks like he was only written a citation & allowed to go at the scene... if that's the case then i guess it's no biggie... i was under the impression he'd been arrested & formally brought up on felony charges over this.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 3:50 PM]
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5/4/2009  6:47 PM
yeah, the title of this story is extremely misleading.

if you read the story i find it hard to believe most would think this to be any type of character issue.

awful journalism, and an example of how low that profession has sunk.

any sensationalism to get our attention.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-04-2009 6:48 PM]
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5/4/2009  7:58 PM
Posted by sebstar:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/1512888.html

Just as I suspected, the house was completely vacant. What bullsyt. Judging by the fact that he was at the house with a friend and a girl, its clear they were just looking for a spot to run a train on her.

Again, not the greatest decision ever but a breaking and entering charge with a corresponding sensationalized headline is just bogus.

...waits for ESPN to make him out to be a monster.

Yeah, I will look at the story much differently if there was a girl involved and nothing was taken.

Nevertheless, the kid is not an ordinary 18 year old kid- you do know that, don't you. He has a national reputation and already has a fan base. He has to show some common sense, even if he is only 18.
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5/4/2009  7:59 PM
Posted by PresIke:

yeah, the title of this story is extremely misleading.

if you read the story i find it hard to believe most would think this to be any type of character issue.

awful journalism, and an example of how low that profession has sunk.

any sensationalism to get our attention.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-04-2009 6:48 PM]

Sorry--while I agree that there is some benign factors to the story--you can't walk into a house you DO NOT OWN without permission regardless if it is potentially unoccupied and for sale. It's breaking and entering anyway you want to view it. I cant count how many BAD things could've occurred. Certainly horrible judgment at best. It seems like he is not a bad kid from what I am reading--maybe 2 years in college will do him some good.
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5/4/2009  8:02 PM
ha. there is NO way we know what the real story is yet so all "reactions" are just projections.
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5/4/2009  8:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PresIke:

yeah, the title of this story is extremely misleading.

if you read the story i find it hard to believe most would think this to be any type of character issue.

awful journalism, and an example of how low that profession has sunk.

any sensationalism to get our attention.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-04-2009 6:48 PM]

Sorry--while I agree that there is some benign factors to the story--you can't walk into a house you DO NOT OWN without permission regardless if it is potentially unoccupied and for sale. It's breaking and entering anyway you want to view it. I cant count how many BAD things could've occurred. Certainly horrible judgment at best. It seems like he is not a bad kid from what I am reading--maybe 2 years in college will do him some good.

no, ur not supposed to do these things but when you're young you sometimes do... it's called being young & getting into some harmless mischief w/ur friends... i remember when i was younger me & my buddies would hang out inside new houses that had just been built & hadn't been sold yet just cuz it was someplace to chill & not be bothered by anyone... just doing stuff like that wasn't all that uncommon... if we'd have gotten caught by cops i'm sure we coulda been written up too... i mean i wasn't doing that when i was 18 but i could think of a lot of other things that i probably shouldn't have been doing but we did at that age also.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-04-2009 5:30 PM]
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5/4/2009  8:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PresIke:

yeah, the title of this story is extremely misleading.

if you read the story i find it hard to believe most would think this to be any type of character issue.

awful journalism, and an example of how low that profession has sunk.

any sensationalism to get our attention.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-04-2009 6:48 PM]

Sorry--while I agree that there is some benign factors to the story--you can't walk into a house you DO NOT OWN without permission regardless if it is potentially unoccupied and for sale. It's breaking and entering anyway you want to view it. I cant count how many BAD things could've occurred. Certainly horrible judgment at best. It seems like he is not a bad kid from what I am reading--maybe 2 years in college will do him some good.

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