and our options were...who exactly?

So basically, Starks and Ewing became good because of Riley.

okay, sure.

then Chandler, Nash, Diaw, Nate, etc. became better because of D'Antoni...

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by djsunyc:

basically the same knick team in 1989/90 squeaked into the 8th seed and got swept by chicago.

riley comes aboard, adds xman and greg anthony and won 50 games and pushed the bulls to 7. that's a HUGE improvement.

there has been really no improvement this season - that's why i said the jury is still out on d'antoni.

again, with Patrick Ewing in his prime.

Where's our Patrick Ewing? and rookies like Starks and Mason?

c'mon mayynnn..

you're looking at what i said about d'antoni as a negative. i didn't say he did a bad job. i just said there's nothing tangible to be taken away from d'antoni this season. that's total indifference.

Posted by nixluva:

There was a great article written about the MDA "doesn't coach defense myth" and it was pointed out that he just has a different approach to D, than most coaches. His teams weren't statistically at the top, but being in the middle of the league was enough since they were a top offensive team. Also the D was geared towards keeping the pace up and not doing things that slowed the game down, which was to the other teams advantage. That made sense for a team that didn't have a Center of any real value.

It's not likely that we'll find a stud C here either and so it's smart to try and play to the teams strengths. Play the passing lanes and keep the ball on the perimeter. Forcing your opponent to take quick deep shots instead of high % shots. If we add some guys that can defend to this mix we'll be just like his other teams in that we'll be a great offensive team and a solid defensive team that plays D to accentuate our offense.

The game is kinda watered down defensively anyway. Players get to hole more so cause of the rules then anything. Those riley days the average score was in the low 90's and high 80's. They said the game was to slow and boring, so they put rules in that speeds up the game and (thinks brandon roys game winning drive to the basketto win the game against us) clear the lanes. The cavs are a smart team and dont turn the ball over much so thats less possesions for the opposing team. There ok defensively but there not anything remotely close to the defensive teams of the 90s.


Mean while the MikeD knicks turn the ball over at a high rate and shoot the ball at the first open look.
Sure we can use more defensive minded players, but more importantly we need smarter players who can execute a defensive scheme.

IMO Lee and nate are not the smartest players in the world, they just work hard, but every body knows were hard work and dumb play gets you. You lose down the stretch cuase you run out of gas. Were known as "THE Exciting KNICKS"

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by djsunyc:

basically the same knick team in 1989/90 squeaked into the 8th seed and got swept by chicago.

riley comes aboard, adds xman and greg anthony and won 50 games and pushed the bulls to 7. that's a HUGE improvement.

there has been really no improvement this season - that's why i said the jury is still out on d'antoni.

again, with Patrick Ewing in his prime.

Where's our Patrick Ewing? and rookies like Starks and Mason?

c'mon mayynnn..

you're looking at what i said about d'antoni as a negative. i didn't say he did a bad job. i just said there's nothing tangible to be taken away from d'antoni this season. that's total indifference.

true, this season i think it's hard to gauge. maybe i misunderstood.

we all want to see this team get better, so in fairness, i'm biased with hope.

however, i do see good things as a former/current teacher with his approach.

we'll see, but no question based on bottom line perspective, with us what has he "proven?"

it's all good to me, because i think we have a really good opportunity.

peace.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by holfresh:


Bro, players who played for him says they don't practice D...LeBron joked once this season that they Knicks don't play or care about D...His teams usually gives up the most points per game, u can say style of play...but it is, what it is..He doesn't pull players for not playing D...U gonna agrue against that...

Some of his biggest moments of anger this year were directed at guys who did not play D, and I seem to recall him pulling a player out of the game or giving them less time in a particular game because of their D.

He is not a defensive achitect, and I think he should hire a real D coach to help players, but he has made many comments about the Knicks D, and their failure to play it properly.

Ironically, according to BB Reference.com, the Knicks had a better Defensive Rating (points allowed per 100 posessions) this year than Phoenix, and the Phoenix rating went from 16th under MDA to 26th this year. Of course the Knicks were only at the 23rd slot this year, but they were down 6 spots from last year.

David Lee could possibly the worst defensive PF ever to wear a Knickd uniform...Have u ever see DLee benched for not playing defense???




[Edited by - holfresh on 04-24-2009 8:19 PM]

Lee has been benched for not playing D - yes I've seen it and I've also seen D'Antoni rip him a new one for his lack of defense.

But honestly, when you bench Lee for not playing defense, it's kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face. [b]He is arguably the teams best offensive player so when you sit him out for not playing D you're also hurting yourself offensively. Tough to have it both ways.

I doubt that, he's ok but our best offensive player is bit of a stretch. The saying defense wins games is in total relations to why david lee should have sat more down the stretch of some games. What can be argued is the fact that he maybe the worst help defender in the league. What magnifies his poor defense is the fact that it happens so much in clutch situations. Thats the difference between Mike d's suns they made stops when it counted the most.

Wilcox doesn't play because he's not that good bro... he'll make plays for you every once in a while but he doesn't play full tilt most of the time... he's somewhat of a coaster on the court... i loved him as a prospect but he's severely disappointed me since he came into the NBA... D Lee is a better player than him by a good margin.

Posted by TMS:

Wilcox doesn't play because he's not that good bro... he'll make plays for you every once in a while but he doesn't play full tilt most of the time... he's somewhat of a coaster on the court... i loved him as a prospect but he's severely disappointed me since he came into the NBA... D Lee is a better player than him by a good margin.

Yes- but, what is worse- having Lee constantly over matched as a 5 or having him at the 4, and having Wilcox not overmatched as a five. You give up offense, but you also strengthen your defense.

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by TMS:

Wilcox doesn't play because he's not that good bro... he'll make plays for you every once in a while but he doesn't play full tilt most of the time... he's somewhat of a coaster on the court... i loved him as a prospect but he's severely disappointed me since he came into the NBA... D Lee is a better player than him by a good margin.

Yes- but, what is worse- having Lee constantly over matched as a 5 or having him at the 4, and having Wilcox not overmatched as a five. You give up offense, but you also strengthen your defense.

Do you really think that Wilcox can defend 7-footers? You mean hack them 6 times... Correct?

I think Wilcox showed he was much stronger than Lee. Neither can defend 7 footers- the question is, who gives up more on the defensive end as a five?

Yea, they'll definitely address the center position this summer. It would be just CRAZY to go into next year with Fish and Lee. Do you think they would draft Thabeeto?

Oh ok, I see i see...I wasn't too familiar with the draft grid and all. I guess Haywood would be alright, servicable.