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4/22/2009  12:38 PM
my personal best case scenario would be getting rubio, but i'm happy with evans and curry as consolation prizes. NYKPHINS, you made a good point, nash won back to back MVPs playing point in this system, and he's a pretty similar player size wise and skill set to curry. that's obviously a good thing.
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4/22/2009  12:58 PM
All this means is that, whether is Griffin, Rubio, Derozen, Evans, Curry or anyone else, we will be getting a good player in this year's draft.


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4/22/2009  1:36 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

He needs to work on his body. I thought his 3 point shot went slightly south with the line moved back--perhaps a sign of a lack of leg strength. Chris Paul was kind of skinny and put on nice muscle--thats what Curry has to do. Curry is the cerebral type player--he knows the game with a high IQ and has a variety of moves to separate from his defender. That being said I would say that he had problems with stronger faster athletes this year and was able to be taken out of his game rhythm. He did transition over to the 1 guard this year and actually played the 1 better earlier in the year compared to later. A good passer not a great passer but has good vision. Only a fair ballhandler. He does make a lot of risky type passes--perhaps due to his first year playing the position. Sneaky quick and sneaky good on the D and taller than what he looks like on TV--[rod strickland disease] Lacks great speed explosion and strength. Is a very good rebounder for a guard. It all depends on whether they believe he can play PG.

When I see clips of him, he looks like a 17 yr old kid. He supposedly grew 2 inches during college- is it possible that he is still growing?

He must know that he has to build himself up for the NBA grind.

Are his defensive issues effort oriented, or is he totally lacking in lateral movement? Has he ever shut down anyone of quality with his D during an important part of a game?

His assist numbers were pretty good this year, so they obviously asked him to do more than just shoot the ball, and I have seen him make some very nice passes at times. I would think that with his intelligence, he could handle the offensive side of being a PG.

There is also no reason he can't put on 10-20 lbs of muscle and improve his chances of playing NBA style ball- hopefully he understands this.

Unless he grows another 2 inches and packs on some muscle, I can't see him as an NBA SG- if they think he is going to remain at 6'3" he is going to be slotted in as a PG or end up like his father, a sharpshooter who plays about 20-25 MPG.

Maybe the Knicks have seen something in his game that makes them think he can play D at the pro level.

Hopefully they will learn all they need to know about him from his team workouts.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 04-22-2009 3:02 PM]
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4/22/2009  1:47 PM
I don't love the kid, but you have to realize if you don't have any big time players on your team and your the pg you can't do it all. The kid was exhausted every game and had to do to much. Give him some players and see what happens. I think he can be a one if we don't get Rubio, might as well grab him.

Curry-Chandler-Gallo three guys that can spread the floor and stroke it. See what you can get for David Lee/Nate Robinson on the open market or just resign lee and hope for the best.
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4/22/2009  2:00 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:

He needs to work on his body. I thought his 3 point shot went slightly south with the line moved back--perhaps a sign of a lack of leg strength. Chris Paul was kind of skinny and put on nice muscle--thats what Curry has to do. Curry is the cerebral type player--he knows the game with a high IQ and has a variety of moves to separate from his defender. That being said I would say that he had problems with stronger faster athletes this year and was able to be taken out of his game rhythm. He did transition over to the 1 guard this year and actually played the 1 better earlier in the year compared to later. A good passer not a great passer but has good vision. Only a fair ballhandler. He does make a lot of risky type passes--perhaps due to his first year playing the position. Sneaky quick and sneaky good on the D and taller than what he looks like on TV--[rod strickland disease] Lacks great speed explosion and strength. Is a very good rebounder for a guard. It all depends on whether they believe he can play PG.

When I see clips of him, he looks like a 17 yr old kid. He supposedly grew 2 inches during college- is it possible that he is still growing?

He must know that he has to build himself up for the NBA grind.

Are his defensive issues effort oriented, or is he totally lacking in lateral movement? Has he ever shut down anyone of quality with his D during an important part of a game?

His assist numbers were pretty good this year, so they obviously asked him to do more than just shoot the ball, and I have seen him make some very nice passes at times. I would think that with his intelligence, he could handle the offensive side of being a PG.

There is also no reason he can't put on 10-20 lbs of muscle and improve his chances of playing NBA style ball- hopefully he understands this.

Unless he grows another 2 inches and packs on some muscle, I can't see him as an NBA SG- if they think he is going to remain at 6'3" he is going to be slotted in as a PG or end up like his father, and sharpshooter who plays about 20-25 MPG.

Maybe the Knicks have seen something in his game that makes them think he can play D at the pro level.

Hopefully they will learn all they need to know about him from his team workouts.
a lot of his defensive issues were fatigue. Because he was such the focal point of the opposing defense and his team needed him to score so much it was often just a case of saving some energy. He's quick and smart, but not strong. His lateral is OK, nothing to write home about.

One thing you dont have to worry about his is his dedication. He loves the game and will do everything he can to be prepared and improve. Its a bit sad but you cant say that about half the guys that get drafted every year.

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4/22/2009  2:00 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:

He needs to work on his body. I thought his 3 point shot went slightly south with the line moved back--perhaps a sign of a lack of leg strength. Chris Paul was kind of skinny and put on nice muscle--thats what Curry has to do. Curry is the cerebral type player--he knows the game with a high IQ and has a variety of moves to separate from his defender. That being said I would say that he had problems with stronger faster athletes this year and was able to be taken out of his game rhythm. He did transition over to the 1 guard this year and actually played the 1 better earlier in the year compared to later. A good passer not a great passer but has good vision. Only a fair ballhandler. He does make a lot of risky type passes--perhaps due to his first year playing the position. Sneaky quick and sneaky good on the D and taller than what he looks like on TV--[rod strickland disease] Lacks great speed explosion and strength. Is a very good rebounder for a guard. It all depends on whether they believe he can play PG.

When I see clips of him, he looks like a 17 yr old kid. He supposedly grew 2 inches during college- is it possible that he is still growing?

He must know that he has to build himself up for the NBA grind.

Are his defensive issues effort oriented, or is he totally lacking in lateral movement? Has he ever shut down anyone of quality with his D during an important part of a game?

His assist numbers were pretty good this year, so they obviously asked him to do more than just shoot the ball, and I have seen him make some very nice passes at times. I would think that with his intelligence, he could handle the offensive side of being a PG.

There is also no reason he can't put on 10-20 lbs of muscle and improve his chances of playing NBA style ball- hopefully he understands this.

Unless he grows another 2 inches and packs on some muscle, I can't see him as an NBA SG- if they think he is going to remain at 6'3" he is going to be slotted in as a PG or end up like his father, and sharpshooter who plays about 20-25 MPG.

Maybe the Knicks have seen something in his game that makes them think he can play D at the pro level.

Hopefully they will learn all they need to know about him from his team workouts.
a lot of his defensive issues were fatigue. Because he was such the focal point of the opposing defense and his team needed him to score so much it was often just a case of saving some energy. He's quick and smart, but not strong. His lateral is OK, nothing to write home about.

One thing you dont have to worry about his is his dedication. He loves the game and will do everything he can to be prepared and improve. Its a bit sad but you cant say that about half the guys that get drafted every year.

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4/22/2009  2:13 PM
I love Nate's talents, he is a special player that can take over a game, but he would be better served in a place like Portland, San Antonio or someplace with lots of veterans.

I think he can replicate his scoring and add a few more assists and do it with a better attitude. Type of player you would like to add to the team.

Maybe we can resign Nate for something reasonable and move him with Jefferies to the Spurs who really need some bench scoring and I am sure could find a way to plug Jefferies in.
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4/22/2009  2:21 PM
Trade your 10th pick for the 16 and 22 of the bulls and get Mills and the best available big
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4/22/2009  2:56 PM
Think of it this way

you can go with the model citizen with the perfect bloodines, Stephen Curry

or you can go for pure talent and quite possibly the superior edge of 6'6 Tyreke Evans

and you think The Answer Man has it easy
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4/22/2009  3:25 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Think of it this way

you can go with the model citizen with the perfect bloodines, Stephen Curry

or you can go for pure talent and quite possibly the superior edge of 6'6 Tyreke Evans

and you think The Answer Man has it easy

In some ways Curry is actually more talented- Evans is a much superior athlete and more physically mature, despite the fact that he is younger than Curry- but Curry probably sees the floor better than Evans and it is not even fair to compare Evans' shooting with Curry's. Evans is suprior at getting to the basket and finishing with strength, and you could see him guarding PGs and SGs in the NBA with his quickness and strength. If you combine Curry's skills with Evans' physical attributes, you would have a player who might get picked before Griffin or Rubio by some teams.

You are really banking on Curry maturing physically and working out to put on the muscle and gain the strength he will need to compete in the NBA. If, as some you have pointed out, he is the type of kid who wants to get better, then he might be able to transform himself physically and actually become a steal in this draft.

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4/22/2009  4:22 PM
The Talent Show

Palladin - 6'6 at guard in the manly man's NBA is a clear advantage

Forget the Dr Frankenstein random combination of 'this and that' fantasy. It has no relevance in a discussion of making an informed and enlightened draft selection. "If this guy had this guy's whatever..."

one thing is certain

you can't teach height.
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4/22/2009  6:49 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by misterearl:

Think of it this way

you can go with the model citizen with the perfect bloodines, Stephen Curry

or you can go for pure talent and quite possibly the superior edge of 6'6 Tyreke Evans

and you think The Answer Man has it easy

In some ways Curry is actually more talented- Evans is a much superior athlete and more physically mature, despite the fact that he is younger than Curry- but Curry probably sees the floor better than Evans and it is not even fair to compare Evans' shooting with Curry's. Evans is suprior at getting to the basket and finishing with strength, and you could see him guarding PGs and SGs in the NBA with his quickness and strength. If you combine Curry's skills with Evans' physical attributes, you would have a player who might get picked before Griffin or Rubio by some teams.

You are really banking on Curry maturing physically and working out to put on the muscle and gain the strength he will need to compete in the NBA. If, as some you have pointed out, he is the type of kid who wants to get better, then he might be able to transform himself physically and actually become a steal in this draft.

Well said Pal. You make some real good points here. I don't love him, but he deserves more credit than I've given him this year. He's a good player and a better playmaker than I've given him credit for. If we stayed at 8 in this draft, he's not my personal preference but if we grabbed him, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Very good shooter & a better passer & playmaker than I first thought. I think there are a bunch of players that are physically/athletically superior with higher ceilings but Curry wouldn't be a terrible pick by any means.
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4/23/2009  2:34 AM
FWIW, Curry has scheduled a press conference for Thursday morning. It sounds to me like he's in. Presumably, he's sure he'll be drafted in the lottery. Maybe the Knicks have told him that they'll take him, assuming their pick doesn't end up in the top three or so.

I agree with most of the assessments above but I'd add that I think Curry needs another year or so playing PG to really settle into the position and run a team. And, yeah, he needs to put on a little weight and muscle, he got pushed around a bit by larger/stronger players at times. (IIRC, he did grow a bit last summer and his doctors told him that his growth plates indicated that he might put on a few more inches. It seems unlikely but I guess it's possible and he certainly looked a bit taller this year than last.) I think he'll end up a much better PG than, oh, Charlie Ward or Chris Childs but how much better is unclear to me.
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4/23/2009  6:25 AM
Is Stephen Curry a lottery pick? The draft really has to be weak. I like the kid but I don't view him as anything more than a role player right now. Maybe that will change in the future but right now I can't justify selecting this kid at 8 or anywhere else in the lottery. We've all read that this past season was his first at the PG sport and did okay at it. Obviously he will get better in time but I don't think we need another converted SG-to-PG guy on our team right now. We need a traditional PG who has played the position for years and knows how to run a team. I don't know if Curry is that guy.
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4/23/2009  9:06 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Is Stephen Curry a lottery pick? The draft really has to be weak. I like the kid but I don't view him as anything more than a role player right now. Maybe that will change in the future but right now I can't justify selecting this kid at 8 or anywhere else in the lottery. We've all read that this past season was his first at the PG sport and did okay at it. Obviously he will get better in time but I don't think we need another converted SG-to-PG guy on our team right now. We need a traditional PG who has played the position for years and knows how to run a team. I don't know if Curry is that guy.

MY guess would be that he doesnt really play PG in the pros, maybe only on a backup basis. To me, he slots in pretty well at the SG spot, but that could leave you with a pretty small backcourt. I do love the kids offensive ability though.
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4/23/2009  9:26 AM
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

FWIW, Curry has scheduled a press conference for Thursday morning. It sounds to me like he's in. Presumably, he's sure he'll be drafted in the lottery. Maybe the Knicks have told him that they'll take him, assuming their pick doesn't end up in the top three or so.

I agree with most of the assessments above but I'd add that I think Curry needs another year or so playing PG to really settle into the position and run a team. And, yeah, he needs to put on a little weight and muscle, he got pushed around a bit by larger/stronger players at times. (IIRC, he did grow a bit last summer and his doctors told him that his growth plates indicated that he might put on a few more inches. It seems unlikely but I guess it's possible and he certainly looked a bit taller this year than last.) I think he'll end up a much better PG than, oh, Charlie Ward or Chris Childs but how much better is unclear to me.

Curry at 6-4 or 6-5[if the doctors are truly on this] would be pick 2 if it is assumed he can play lead guard.
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4/23/2009  10:59 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

FWIW, Curry has scheduled a press conference for Thursday morning. It sounds to me like he's in. Presumably, he's sure he'll be drafted in the lottery. Maybe the Knicks have told him that they'll take him, assuming their pick doesn't end up in the top three or so.

I agree with most of the assessments above but I'd add that I think Curry needs another year or so playing PG to really settle into the position and run a team. And, yeah, he needs to put on a little weight and muscle, he got pushed around a bit by larger/stronger players at times. (IIRC, he did grow a bit last summer and his doctors told him that his growth plates indicated that he might put on a few more inches. It seems unlikely but I guess it's possible and he certainly looked a bit taller this year than last.) I think he'll end up a much better PG than, oh, Charlie Ward or Chris Childs but how much better is unclear to me.

Curry at 6-4 or 6-5[if the doctors are truly on this] would be pick 2 if it is assumed he can play lead guard.

Actually - I view him being taller as a detriment to his ability to play lead guard (point guard).

He's not quick by NBA standards already and will have difficulty beating people off the dribble -- the taller he gets the more this becomes an issue at the point.

I think Ideally - 6'3" is probably his ideal point guard height as it would allow him to maximize quickness while still having nice height for a point.

The taller he gets the more likely he has to move to the 2 - and then his lack of strength and bulk become an issue.

Curry is a tough tough call -- I love everything about him aside from his overall athleticism.

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4/23/2009  11:34 AM
Curry just made it official - god help us
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4/23/2009  12:53 PM
If Curry is in, more likely than not, he's going to be our pick.
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4/23/2009  4:53 PM
only way the Knicks take Curry is if they trade down... they're not taking him w/a top 10 pick, no way.
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