Posted by earthmansurfer:

I would disagree about Flynn's height being a detriment, at least in this offense. Think about it, he is near a "lock down defender". He puts effort into his D, Nate doesn't (We all know Nate could get 4 steals a game, but that would take from his Offense and his paycheck, we see where his head is). Flynn knows how to run a team, Nate doesn't. I see it that a players height can be a detriment, but it depends on the system and player. Nate hurts us in many ways and those ways are not made up for at all by his helter skelter offense. Also, a good defender like Flynn is in this system is such a bonus, as the pg is to run the offense and score when necessary, so if he can negate the opposing pg with his D and O then it's a plus. I really feel Flyn can do that soon...

Now, tall or short, get us a point guard who can play on both sides of the ball. Get us a point guard who can handle playing in NY. That is so often overlooked. (Think of baseball where players just can't handle NY). I think Flynn or Rubio would excel here.

Paladin, I see how height can help, as you can see over defenders better and of course pass better. But guys like Flynn have elite level athleticism to penetrate and dish, or just plane create space from the outside and pass. I do see this as a worry, but at the PG position in particular, I wouldn't let it be the deciding factor.

Posted by LivingLegend:

Posted by Nalod:


Can Curry be a Ben GOrdan type in the NBA? Thats what his game is like in College.

Curry is not a point guard. Question is can he become one?

I think our system is best suited for him as a point.

The biggest thing our system does is FREE the point guard with the high screen and roll play.

Rarely was Duhon asked to beat players off the dribble in this system -- almost 100% of the time he came off the high screen and roll with Lee.

Curry should be great in that type of play because the screen will give him a slight advantage on his man and they must play over the screen or he will shoot the J. If they play over top the screen - he will have a step on the defender and he is smart and talented enough to score in that situation most of the time. If the D switches he is an outstanding passer off the dribble with either hand.

Curry excels in the open court because he has an assortment of moves to either shake or get the defender off balance -- 1/2 court offense is his real issue and with Mike D's system it creates space and frees him with the screen -- the ball also moves enough where Curry will get it on the move and be able to skake down defenders.

I also think Curry is still growing into his body -- he will get stronger and I expect that he'll get quicker thru maturation and just playing better athletes.

He is a question mark but if he's the right fit he could make our offense Phoenix like.

All that said --- I also like Johnny Flynn a great deal...I'm intrigued by Jenning's athleticism and of course I love the way Rubio passes the ball.

One avenue is to skip the point guard in the draft and go with a veteran to assist Duhon.

You draft Derozan at #8 and now you have 3 potential long term starters in Derozan (2) Chandler (3) and Gallo (4).

D'Antoni may not trust his system to a rookie --- I don't think he's used one before.

I like Derozan and Evans as well--the question that was posed last week--what do you do if Evans and Derozan are off the board? Well my thought is this class is going to produce 2-4 very good PGs and I think Flynn from 8 might end up being the best at that spot in the draft.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

Curry won't be as good as Ben Gordon... Gordon is built to take contact & can get to the hole against bigger defenders... Curry is built more like Tony Parker, only not nearly as quick or agile... he'll be a spot up shooter at the NBA level IMO, not a scorer/penetrator.

Ben Gordon is proof that size does not really matter in the NBA[at times--obviously it helps being 7-6]. Ben is at top 6-1 but he has major HOPS and he is strong as heck for his size which compensates for a lack of height. He's one of the nastiest dunkers that people dont know about[talking about his hops] Curry is not nearly as strong or as explosive. Curry is much more of a 1 then Ben[who is pure 2]but again Curry is also is not a pure 1.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-21-2009 2:45 PM]

Posted by Finestrg:

Just curious why no one likes Jeff Teague. Rubio and Evans, both are unusual, rare packages & I can definitely see the attraction, but to go almost 30 responses on a PG thread where no one even mentions Teague's name once is crazy man. Now he's not even worth mentioning in the same breath as 5'11" Jonny Flynn?? And I like Flynn btw... What exactly don't you guys like about Jeff Teague? I know he wrapped up his season with some subpar play, but when you look at pure skill level across the board to play the 1, this guy's the goods IMO. He's everything you could possibly want - I see elements to his game that need to evolve a little (and they will) but I don't see any weaknesses at all. None. And you gotta look at Wake's entire season as a whole, not just Teague's last few performances. He had a very good season with some great performances against top teams (anyone remember the Wake/North Carolina game or was that a dream I had??). I mean, maybe I was watching a different player than most of you guys this year, I don't know...


[Edited by - finestrg on 04-21-2009 3:20 PM]

Posted by Finestrg:

Just curious why no one likes Jeff Teague. Rubio and Evans, I can see the attraction, but to go almost 30 responses on a PG thread and not even mention Teague's name once is crazy man. Now he's not even worth mentioning in the same breath as 5'11" Jonny Flynn?? And I like Flynn btw... What exactly don't you guys like about Jeff Teague? I mean, maybe I was watching a different player than most of you guys this year, I don't know...

[Edited by - finestrg on 04-21-2009 3:07 PM]

Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by fishmike:

taking an small combo guard would be the most idiotic thing we could do. Nate Robinson gave you 18ppg/4asists/4rebs off the bench and shot a good %. He won games by himself. He put up massive numbers when he started for Duhon. Please explain to me how letting a proven NBA commodity walk and drafting one of these guys helps. Nate would destroy Flynn on both ends of the court, AND is a better NBA PG right now.

If the Knicks want to let Nate walk to save money or whatever then fine. But downgrade the roster by drafting a player we already have. Get a bigman. Who is our frontcourt. Lee and who else? I would rather have a 6'6 center like Blair than ANY of the PGs in this draft not named Rubio.

Back up there, where did any of us say Nate would walk? I think you misunderstood our frustration with his often mindless play for not thinking he has any value. In a system like ours IF he plays under control he is 6th man of the year. But he doesn't. I think all of us here that want him gone are thinking we are going to do a sign and trade, either to later send him to a team ahead of us in the draft for their pick, and/or to dump a contract.

I really really like Nate, but trying to be unemotional about this I see that he is probably not going to change. His ONLY chance here is off the bench. Now maybe he does mature, I'm willing to keep him for the right price. We can always get something for him...

hasnt he already changed? Doesnt he play more under control? Is he any more boneheaded than John Starks was? To me Nate has continued to show improvement. Is he retarded? Totally, but he's talented. To me drafting a 6 foot PG with mediocre talent flies in the face of logic.