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4/17/2009  10:50 AM
call me stubborn, but I still see a rebuilding process that goes beyond 2010.

And its incredibly sad that there are only 2 players to be excited about. I don't think there is another team as badly off as we are. Maybe the Wizards.
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4/17/2009  11:56 AM
Woah Woah,

The Knicks are hardly in a bad position. If anything, try to find a team (maybe other than stupid sexy Portland) that has a brighter future. The Knicks have a few young players with great potential and promise, a coach with a proven record of success who the best players in the league would die to play for, one of the most accomplished and pragmatic GM's around, and a boat load of upcomming cap space to play with. Oh yeah, also, they play on the biggest stage in the world at an arena that stars get all gushy inside about.

Will the Knicks record be very good next season? Probably not. But it is hardly the case that they are in a bad position for the future. For the first time in a long time, its actually quite the opposite.
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4/17/2009  12:06 PM
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Chandler, Jeffries, Curry and Q are the only remainders of Isiah's team. The current regime is happy with 3 of those players. So aren't we already pass the point of talking about what is salvageable. That decision was already made. Walsh already put his stamp on this team. Walsh made more moves in his first season than Thomas to get rid of Layden's pieces. This is Walsh's team now. No more harping back to the past like Isiah did with Layden when the team consisted of mostly his players. If Walsh brings back Lee or Nate that is now his choice, not Isiah. Excuses have to end along with free passes.

you are kidding, right? If you don't think Zbo and Crawford were traded for anything that expired by 2010 you haven't been paying attention.

And the current regime has only said that they are happy about Chandler and Gallo.
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4/17/2009  12:38 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:


Chandler, Jeffries, Curry and Q are the only remainders of Isiah's team. The current regime is happy with 3 of those players. So aren't we already pass the point of talking about what is salvageable. That decision was already made. Walsh already put his stamp on this team. Walsh made more moves in his first season than Thomas to get rid of Layden's pieces. This is Walsh's team now. No more harping back to the past like Isiah did with Layden when the team consisted of mostly his players. If Walsh brings back Lee or Nate that is now his choice, not Isiah. Excuses have to end along with free passes.

you are kidding, right? If you don't think Zbo and Crawford were traded for anything that expired by 2010 you haven't been paying attention.

And the current regime has only said that they are happy about Chandler and Gallo.

No I'm not kidding and Walsh and D'Antoni were praising Jeffries since last June. When Mike and Dog were laughing about Jeffries with Walsh, the man said wait. He will be a big player for us. It don't get much better than that. D'Antoni talks up Jeffries any chance he gets. And please don't give me trying to increase his trade value. The entire league already knows about Jeffries.

D'Antoni began preseason talking up Q Rich.
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4/17/2009  12:41 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:


Chandler, Jeffries, Curry and Q are the only remainders of Isiah's team. The current regime is happy with 3 of those players. So aren't we already pass the point of talking about what is salvageable. That decision was already made. Walsh already put his stamp on this team. Walsh made more moves in his first season than Thomas to get rid of Layden's pieces. This is Walsh's team now. No more harping back to the past like Isiah did with Layden when the team consisted of mostly his players. If Walsh brings back Lee or Nate that is now his choice, not Isiah. Excuses have to end along with free passes.

you are kidding, right? If you don't think Zbo and Crawford were traded for anything that expired by 2010 you haven't been paying attention.

And the current regime has only said that they are happy about Chandler and Gallo.

No I'm not kidding and Walsh and D'Antoni were praising Jeffries since last June. When Mike and Dog were laughing about Jeffries with Walsh, the man said wait. He will be a big player for us. It don't get much better than that. D'Antoni talks up Jeffries any chance he gets. And please don't give me trying to increase his trade value. The entire league already knows about Jeffries.

D'Antoni began preseason talking up Q Rich.

I could care less about what MikeD/Walsh SAY about Jeffries and anyone else. It's their actions when it comes to these players is what I care about. I think Donnie nearly trading Jeffries along with Nate for garbage in return, tells you all you need to know about what they really think of him.
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4/17/2009  12:53 PM
Why didn't he then?
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4/17/2009  12:59 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Why didn't he then?

I don't know and neither does anyone here.

I think if you're going to just hold people involved with sports and entertainment accountable for what they say to the media, you are going to end up pretty disappointed. Anytime I see any GM say "we're going to do this, this and that" I tend to let it go in one ear and out the other. There is literally 10000000 different things that can happen to alter that plan, but since GMs, coaches and players are required to talk to the media, alot of misinformation always ends up out there.
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4/17/2009  1:03 PM
And basing on what Walsh has done.. he got rid of 2 guys who were playing well, but were really hampering our cap for 2010. To me that tells me he's making capspace for 2010. I don't see how it can be viewed any other way.
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4/17/2009  2:10 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

And basing on what Walsh has done.. he got rid of 2 guys who were playing well, but were really hampering our cap for 2010. To me that tells me he's making capspace for 2010. I don't see how it can be viewed any other way.

MDA and Walsh were also talking up Curry and Q and Nate and Lee and Crawford and Zbo.

Phar, your logic is way out there man.
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4/17/2009  2:38 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nyk4ever:

And basing on what Walsh has done.. he got rid of 2 guys who were playing well, but were really hampering our cap for 2010. To me that tells me he's making capspace for 2010. I don't see how it can be viewed any other way.

MDA and Walsh were also talking up Curry and Q and Nate and Lee and Crawford and Zbo.

Phar, your logic is way out there man.

How is my logic way out there because I refuse see some hidden meaning in D'Antoni and Walsh's words that you and others want someone to believe. Because I take Walsh and D'Antoni at their words when they say they really like someone.

"He really knows how to play basketball and that's what we need," D'Antoni said following the Knicks' late afternoon practice at Skidmore College. "At 6-foot-11, 250 pounds, that spells center to me. He's big, runs the floor, great defensive player and he passes the ball." Daily News, 10/3/08

NYKnicks.com: Is there anybody who has surprised you so far from what you've seen?

D'Antoni: Jared Jeffries. He's surprised me. He's been a lot better than I thought.

NYKnicks.com: What about Jared has caught your eye?

D'Antoni: With Jared, it's just his versatility. He can really see the floor and he's got a lot of skills. Chris Duhon has done really well, too. He never gets tired and just keeps running.

NYKnicks.com: Duhon was actually the first big free-agent signing of your era. What about him attracted you to him and fit into your plan of what you want to establish here in New York?

D'Antoni: He's a pass-first guy. Also his speed, defense and ability to push the ball.

"In a week or so, when he gets rolling, I expect energy defense, really being a glue," D'Antoni said. "He's a real smart player. He'll keep David Lee's energy up. They played great together in camp. I want to see that again. And it trickles down the line. We won't have a dropoff when teams put in their energy guys." - NY Post 12/5/08

So it just about 2010, heh?

Perhaps the biggest move the Knicks made today was a transaction they didn’t make. With eyes around the league fixed squarely on cap space for the free-agent class of 2010, Knicks President Donnie Walsh reportedly passed on an offer from the Sacramento Kings that would have rid the roster of Jared Jeffries and the team’s $6.8 million obligation to him for the 2010-11 season.

The deal would have come at the expense of the NBA’s 2006 and 2009 Slam Dunk Champion, Nate Robinson, himself a restricted free agent at the end of the season.


So let me get this logic of yours straight. They big up his trade value only to not trade him. Ok.
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4/17/2009  2:39 PM
Why do you care so much as to what they say about players? It's not worth anything dude.
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4/17/2009  2:41 PM
I just included that stuff he said about Duhon as sweet bonus.
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4/17/2009  2:43 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why do you care so much as to what they say about players? It's not worth anything dude.

Why don't you care as a Knick fan
Jeffries sucks but they like him. Roberson sucked but they liked him too.
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4/17/2009  2:52 PM
Posted by franco12:
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just a quick question: if only 2 people will remain, and one basically didn't play all year, then what foundation was actually set?

You have to tear the whole thing down before you can set a foundation.

the house that is built on sand will eventually sink.

Usually houses built on sand are owned by rich people, and they usually get them rebuilt after a hurricane or other natural disaster...

ur right... & those rich people are probably snorting coke off the tits of hot blonde escorts on a private jet headed to Rio right about now... so the moral of the story is, if you're rich, i hate you.
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4/17/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why do you care so much as to what they say about players? It's not worth anything dude.

Why don't you care as a Knick fan
Jeffries sucks but they like him. Roberson sucked but they liked him too.

they liked Roberson so much they made sure to include him in a trade.

They like JJ so much he will be gone if they can trade him. Same with Curry, just after MDA just said that if he can lose weight he would be an integral part of the team. And even if he does do well, he will be gone for the right contract.

They like Lee and Nate so much they didn't lock them up last year and will trade them at a moments notice for the right deal this summer.

The only players Walsh and MDA care about long term are Gallo and Chandler at this point.

If you and Isles and whomever else want to take every sentence and praise out of every coaches or GMs mouth at their face value, you are setting yourself up for big time disappointment. That's what we call some naiveté in these here parts.
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4/17/2009  3:02 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why do you care so much as to what they say about players? It's not worth anything dude.

Why don't you care as a Knick fan
Jeffries sucks but they like him. Roberson sucked but they liked him too.

As I said earlier - I judge the coach and GM on their actions - not what the say. I could care less what they say.

Just when Walsh/D'Antoni were introduced they made it seem like Jamal was King Knick and that he was the foundation of a championship team. A few months later he was gone for a contract expiring before 2010. That's just the way things are. I could care less about what these dudes say and the pomp and circumstance. It's about what they DO and what that nets us as a result.

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4/17/2009  3:03 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why do you care so much as to what they say about players? It's not worth anything dude.

Why don't you care as a Knick fan
Jeffries sucks but they like him. Roberson sucked but they liked him too.

As I said earlier - I judge the coach and GM on their actions - not what the say. I could care less what they say.

Just when Walsh/D'Antoni were introduced they made it seem like Jamal was King Knick and that he was the foundation of a championship team. A few months later he was gone for a contract expiring before 2010. That's just the way things are. I could care less about what these dudes say and the pomp and circumstance. It's about what they DO and what that nets us as a result. Right now it's evident that anything they will do will be in conjuction with 2010 plans - no matter WHAT THEY SAY.

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4/17/2009  3:14 PM
So why come didn't trade Jeffries and Nate to SAC?
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4/17/2009  3:21 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

So why come didn't trade Jeffries and Nate to SAC?

who knows. Maybe SAC demanded a first rounder, maybe Walsh thought they could get a better deal down the road, maybe Walsh thought that there was a chance to make the playoffs at the time.

who knows and who cares. It certainly doesn't mean Walsh wont trade JJ and/or Nate later, and it certainly doesn't mean they want to keep them either.
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4/17/2009  3:30 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:

So why come didn't trade Jeffries and Nate to SAC?

who knows. Maybe SAC demanded a first rounder, maybe Walsh thought they could get a better deal down the road, maybe Walsh thought that there was a chance to make the playoffs at the time.

who knows and who cares. It certainly doesn't mean Walsh wont trade JJ and/or Nate later, and it certainly doesn't mean they want to keep them either.

or maybe that deal was never discussed to begin with? Walsh categorically denied there was any truth to that rumor... should we listen to "unnamed sources" that come up w/those rumors or take it straight from the horse's mouth?
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