Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by sebstar:

So we just give up a first rounder and Lee for a player who we, more than likely, have the best shot at signing?

based on what?


There's no way you'll ever get more for David Lee and the pick than Bosh. And we'd still have room for one more max player in 2010 anyway. Having Bosh already on the team would make the team a lot more appealing. What kind of team is Lebron or Wade or Joe Johnson more likely to want to join: One with David Lee and a rookie or one with Chris Bosh? I'd say Bosh by a wide margin.

He's going to be a unrestricted free agent, and he's definitely not re-upping with Toronto...so who is he going to sign with? If we're aggressive enough, I dont see why we wouldnt be the front runners. Especially under the pretense that if we traded for him, he would re-sign. Why wouldnt we just sign him outright and save our resources for another trade?

[Edited by - sebstar on 04-14-2009 4:28 PM]

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by sebstar:

So we just give up a first rounder and Lee for a player who we, more than likely, have the best shot at signing?

based on what?


There's no way you'll ever get more for David Lee and the pick than Bosh. And we'd still have room for one more max player in 2010 anyway. Having Bosh already on the team would make the team a lot more appealing. What kind of team is Lebron or Wade or Joe Johnson more likely to want to join: One with David Lee and a rookie or one with Chris Bosh? I'd say Bosh by a wide margin.

He's going to be a unrestricted free agent, and he's definitely not re-upping with Toronto...so who is he going to sign with? If we're aggressive enough, I dont see why we wouldnt be the front runners. Especially under the pretense that if we traded for him, he would re-sign. Why wouldnt we just sign him outright and save our resources for another trade?

[Edited by - sebstar on 04-14-2009 4:28 PM]

What else do you have in mind regarding Lee? Is it something that allows us to sign Bosh and Lebron and keep whatever we get in return (which will add to our payroll) for Lee? If not, then there's no point in signing Bosh in 2010 unless we're certain Lebron won't come. I'd be more concerned about how much whatever other trade involving Lee you have in mind will add to our payroll.
Also, see bold font above for an additional reason why I'd jump on the opportunity to get Bosh right away.
One more reason:
Anything can change in a year. What if Calderon is healthy and Toronto next year is the roughly 50 win team they were recently? Will Bosh want to be a part of rebuilding in Toronto then?
I think historically, those who immediately jump on opportunities to get star players do better in the long-run than those who say "we can get him in the future and under better circumstances."

Its a risk I'm willing to take...if he re-signs, he re-signs but I doubt it. I dont think Bosh is all that great. Now if this were Melo or Wade, then yeah I'm jumping on that. But I just dont see what sense it makes to give away two of our more valuable resources for a player who has given every indication that he will test the market in one year.

Just a difference of opinion. I can see wanting to secure him now, but I just dont think he's that kind of player worth all that.

Amare and his health issues yes. Bosh no. Bosh is as much a numbers guy as Lee is right now, just a better numbers guy.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by sebstar:

So we just give up a first rounder and Lee for a player who we, more than likely, have the best shot at signing?

based on what?


There's no way you'll ever get more for David Lee and the pick than Bosh. And we'd still have room for one more max player in 2010 anyway. Having Bosh already on the team would make the team a lot more appealing. What kind of team is Lebron or Wade or Joe Johnson more likely to want to join: One with David Lee and a rookie or one with Chris Bosh? I'd say Bosh by a wide margin.

I think that any move we make should be made with the understanding that we will probably not get any major free agent star in 2010. You simply cannot make deals or signings if the only reason you do it is to make your team more attractive for James, Wade, etc.. Sure, we may pick up one of the prize free agents, but you cannot assume that we will.

Bosh is an upgrade over Lee. He's longer has much more offensive versatility and firepower and can block a few shots and play better man to man D. I would suspect he could be a 25-12 player here.

I don't know what Toronto would want but they arent exactly in the drivers seat. David Lee resigned tp a 6 year 48mm $ contract pick 8 and a few of the scrubs we just signed for bosh and pick 39.

Then I would go after Pheonix's pick because I don't think they want to take on that salary if they resign Nash. We could offer tham 3mm in cash and a future lottery restricted 1 and see if we can pick up Mullens for the long term. That would be adding 6-11 240 and 7-1 270 to our perpetually small roster.

One of the PGs will fall and it's possible we could find a solid back up at 39 and use the MLE to grab a guard in the NBA.