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4/13/2009  11:32 AM
We need a starting 2, a starting 1, and a 5. We have multiple directions to go in. Personally, I like Lawson and getting a solid 2 (I personally like the idea of trying to pry Cook away from Miami) who can defend. I think with our first pick you see how the draft plays out. If the bigs are going fast take a guy like Mullens and acquire another pick and take Lawson or whoever.

Now this is some wishful thinking but what about packaging Nate and Lee to get a true SF and maybe a pick and we may end up with something like this...

Mullens
Chandler
SF Acquired
SG Acquired in FA
Lawson

Now another option I saw is Jamario Moon is a FA at the end of the year. How about signing him to a small deal? He is a shotblocker and can score a little. Buy a pick and use Nate and Lee to acquire a high pick and maybe use them to get rid of Curry.

Mullens
Chandler
Moon
Henderson/Evans/Warren?
Lawson/Teague?
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4/13/2009  11:32 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
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I have to go with Curry.

wow I hope that doesn't happen

I dont see is taking ANY smallish player--and I mean Curry Teague Jennings Lawson. I think there is a clear cut difference in talent with Derozan and Evans against any of these players.
Remember Derozan was the PAC 10 tourney MVP as a freshmen and he was really getting better in all phases of the game--including his jumper as the season concluded. If he had Evans handle he would be easily pick 2 and maybe pick 1. There is no other player even close with Derozan athletically[Henderson imho is NOT a lottery type pick player and hes not 6-7]other than Griffin for guys who are bigger than 6-3. I think it will be a very tough decision between Evans and Derozan

If we figure

Griffin
Rubio
Hill
Thabeet
Jennings
Harden--not my top 6 but the consensus top 6
then from 7 down we would have our pick of the liter

So while I thought if we finished at 11--it might be a spot where I would consider trading down and getting rid of Jefferies--I think the talent through 9 is to good to pass up.
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4/13/2009  11:35 AM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Griffin Derozan Rubio Evans Maynor Clark Thabeet Hill Harden Monroe off the board


who is your choice

I'm thinking it comes down to Curry, Teague, Flynn and Aminu.

I bet Mike D thinks Curry is his point guard.

Me - I'm not 100% sold -- I might lean towards Flynn and or Aminu.

Oops - I forgot about Jennings.

I'd have to say I'd be pretty happy if we walked away with Curry, Jennings or Flynn.

Curry's athleticism worries me a lot --- Jennings head and shot worry me as well -- Flynn I really like but he's barely scraping 5'11".

Something about Curry playing with other talented offensive players could turn us into a powder keg. He had absolutely nobody to play off at Davidson -- 100% of the defenses attention was on Curry. In the pro's he'd have drive and kick options with Gallo, Wilson and Al -- not to mention pick and roll with D-Lee and setting up Nate.

The more I think of Curry playing with other talented offensive threats the more I think he just could be the bomb in Mike's system.

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4/13/2009  11:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Vmart:

I have to go with Curry.

wow I hope that doesn't happen

I dont see is taking ANY smallish player--and I mean Curry Teague Jennings Lawson. I think there is a clear cut difference in talent with Derozan and Evans against any of these players.
Remember Derozan was the PAC 10 tourney MVP as a freshmen and he was really getting better in all phases of the game--including his jumper as the season concluded. If he had Evans handle he would be easily pick 2 and maybe pick 1. There is no other player even close with Derozan athletically[Henderson imho is NOT a lottery type pick player and hes not 6-7]other than Griffin for guys who are bigger than 6-3. I think it will be a very tough decision between Evans and Derozan

If we figure

Griffin
Rubio
Hill
Thabeet
Jennings
Harden--not my top 6 but the consensus top 6
then from 7 down we would have our pick of the liter

So while I thought if we finished at 11--it might be a spot where I would consider trading down and getting rid of Jefferies--I think the talent through 9 is to good to pass up.

I think we'll address our size issues via trade or free agency and in the draft we'll go most talented offensive player.

That is if we don't have a shot at Thabeet or say Monroe. I'm all for Mullen's if we can pick up a second pick -- maybe in a NATE trade.

But after Thabeet and Monroe I don't think any big will be worth a #8.

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4/13/2009  12:48 PM
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Wilson Chandler had a jumper in college that he worked on in the pros. Derozan doesn't have a jumper at all but I would like him anyway at the 2 spot, along with Evans. My preference would be for a point guard like Jennings at the Knicks spot in they don't land in the top 3. It would be nice to lock down the future spot in this draft for a pg, sg, or center. If you are going to lose Lee, Donnie should really look into acquiring a 2nd round pick and grabbing Taj Gibson. He won't rebound like Lee and is not a bulky guy but he will play defense and block shots. He can shoot from the perimeter too. He is an older player but I think he will have nice career.

Wilson Chandler's jumpshot was about the same as Derozan's his first year--trust me I know what I'm saying.

Trust you nothing. I watched both in college and Derozan's jumper is not as good. Trust me I know what I am saying. You are kidding yourself if you don't think that is the case. He has improved his midrange jumper but not his 3 point jump shot. Chandler already had a good midrange game but improved his 3 point shooting in college as noted by scouts and his coach. Two different things. Derozan plays on the inside. He is a pure slasher with a developing midrange game. He isn't a 3 point shooter. I'm not saying he will not become one but what I am saying they are at different points of their progress on shooting.

Also, you keep crediting Houston with improving his jumpshot while Chandler has already credited Phil Weber on his blog as Earl already noted which you seem to not acknowledge, similar to what both Gallinari and Jeffries have claim. Gallinari already stated those 4 are the last ones to leave the gym. If you really believe Allan Houston is spending late nights in the gym with Chandler working on his jumpers then I don't know what to tell you.
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4/13/2009  1:13 PM
There aren't a ton of top level prospects who have been able to shoot in college in recent memory and a lot of the guys who can drain treys in college never get better.

Durant - Carmelo - Beasley - Roy - Foye

There's about one guy every year who's a top five player and can already shoot it.
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4/13/2009  2:39 PM
if Derozan slips to us i take him i don't care who else is left on the board... if not then i'm keeping my fingers crossed for Jennings... after those 2 i'll take whoever's left between Evans, Warren & Aldrich... i'm pretty positive at least 1 or 2 of those guys will be available to us where we end up picking this year... it's too damn bad Patrick Patterson wasn't declaring this year cuz he'd be a perfect candidate to slip down to us & he'd be a better bigman prospect than just about every other bigman in this draft w/the exception of Griffin & maybe Hill & Thabeet.
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4/13/2009  2:44 PM
again, i thought monroe was staying in school?
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4/13/2009  2:47 PM
and just being a stickler...

we can't move nate or lee unless we do a sign-and-trade after july 9th, so we won't be using them to acquire any draft picks until at least then.

i believe, we could still get the rights to someone extra picked in this year's draft in such a deal, but it won't be using either player on or around draft day.
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4/13/2009  2:56 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

There aren't a ton of top level prospects who have been able to shoot in college in recent memory and a lot of the guys who can drain treys in college never get better.

Durant - Carmelo - Beasley - Roy - Foye

There's about one guy every year who's a top five player and can already shoot it.

Vince Carter was the last guy that I saw went from ok mid range jumper to very good jumper to ridiculous range. Also Rip went from good to great mid range to very good 3 point shooter. What you worry more about is a player who doesn't seem to develop it or players who were decent begin to have trouble or skills diminish, i.e. Jared Jeffries (known as a overrall good post player and decent shooter in college). Hopefully they are at least great defenders. Magic and Jordan vastly improved their jumpers from college.
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Posted by PresIke:

and just being a stickler...

we can't move nate or lee unless we do a sign-and-trade after july 9th, so we won't be using them to acquire any draft picks until at least then.

i believe, we could still get the rights to someone extra picked in this year's draft in such a deal, but it won't be using either player on or around draft day.

LOL.
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4/13/2009  3:16 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

There aren't a ton of top level prospects who have been able to shoot in college in recent memory and a lot of the guys who can drain treys in college never get better.

Durant - Carmelo - Beasley - Roy - Foye

There's about one guy every year who's a top five player and can already shoot it.

Vince Carter was the last guy that I saw went from ok mid range jumper to very good jumper to ridiculous range. Also Rip went from good to great mid range to very good 3 point shooter. What you worry more about is a player who doesn't seem to develop it or players who were decent begin to have trouble or skills diminish, i.e. Jared Jeffries (known as a overrall good post player and decent shooter in college). Hopefully they are at least great defenders. Magic and Jordan vastly improved their jumpers from college.

Really? A ton of the top guys have gone from not good/ok shooters to really good shooters with range.
Kobe, Wade and JKidd especially have improved a lot, but LeBron, Granger, Bosh, Butler, Billups, Artest...

The guys with 6'4"+ size, it seems like they develop a shot later for the most part. Derozan would be in that category.
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4/13/2009  3:33 PM
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Wilson Chandler had a jumper in college that he worked on in the pros. Derozan doesn't have a jumper at all but I would like him anyway at the 2 spot, along with Evans. My preference would be for a point guard like Jennings at the Knicks spot in they don't land in the top 3. It would be nice to lock down the future spot in this draft for a pg, sg, or center. If you are going to lose Lee, Donnie should really look into acquiring a 2nd round pick and grabbing Taj Gibson. He won't rebound like Lee and is not a bulky guy but he will play defense and block shots. He can shoot from the perimeter too. He is an older player but I think he will have nice career.

Wilson Chandler's jumpshot was about the same as Derozan's his first year--trust me I know what I'm saying.

Trust you nothing. I watched both in college and Derozan's jumper is not as good. Trust me I know what I am saying. You are kidding yourself if you don't think that is the case. He has improved his midrange jumper but not his 3 point jump shot. Chandler already had a good midrange game but improved his 3 point shooting in college as noted by scouts and his coach. Two different things. Derozan plays on the inside. He is a pure slasher with a developing midrange game. He isn't a 3 point shooter. I'm not saying he will not become one but what I am saying they are at different points of their progress on shooting.

Also, you keep crediting Houston with improving his jumpshot while Chandler has already credited Phil Weber on his blog as Earl already noted which you seem to not acknowledge, similar to what both Gallinari and Jeffries have claim. Gallinari already stated those 4 are the last ones to leave the gym. If you really believe Allan Houston is spending late nights in the gym with Chandler working on his jumpers then I don't know what to tell you.

Pharz-- I hate to burst your bubble--but you are simply wrong. Wilson Chandler make 8 3 point shots his freshmen year TOTAL Derozan made 6 and both of them made shot around 20% of their 3 point att shots. Chandler played a lot of 4 his first year at Depaul--he made the BE rookie team. Good look it up if you dont believe me--8 3 pointers as a freshmen--he was an interior player for the most part.

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question. Derozan is more talented than Wilson--it's not registering that this kid just shot up his last month in college. If he stayed and improved--he would have a great chance at being the overall number 1 pick next year.
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4/13/2009  3:42 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

There aren't a ton of top level prospects who have been able to shoot in college in recent memory and a lot of the guys who can drain treys in college never get better.

Durant - Carmelo - Beasley - Roy - Foye

There's about one guy every year who's a top five player and can already shoot it.

Vince Carter was the last guy that I saw went from ok mid range jumper to very good jumper to ridiculous range. Also Rip went from good to great mid range to very good 3 point shooter. What you worry more about is a player who doesn't seem to develop it or players who were decent begin to have trouble or skills diminish, i.e. Jared Jeffries (known as a overrall good post player and decent shooter in college). Hopefully they are at least great defenders. Magic and Jordan vastly improved their jumpers from college.

Really? A ton of the top guys have gone from not good/ok shooters to really good shooters with range.
Kobe, Wade and JKidd especially have improved a lot, but LeBron, Granger, Bosh, Butler, Billups, Artest...

The guys with 6'4"+ size, it seems like they develop a shot later for the most part. Derozan would be in that category.

man, it still seems like Kidd couldnt hit the ocean while sitting in a rowboat. He was passing up wide open jumpers yesterday when they were play N.O

I think the emphasis on weight lifting has really hurt shooting. It messes with one's mechanics and consistency.
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4/13/2009  3:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Wilson Chandler had a jumper in college that he worked on in the pros. Derozan doesn't have a jumper at all but I would like him anyway at the 2 spot, along with Evans. My preference would be for a point guard like Jennings at the Knicks spot in they don't land in the top 3. It would be nice to lock down the future spot in this draft for a pg, sg, or center. If you are going to lose Lee, Donnie should really look into acquiring a 2nd round pick and grabbing Taj Gibson. He won't rebound like Lee and is not a bulky guy but he will play defense and block shots. He can shoot from the perimeter too. He is an older player but I think he will have nice career.

Wilson Chandler's jumpshot was about the same as Derozan's his first year--trust me I know what I'm saying.

Trust you nothing. I watched both in college and Derozan's jumper is not as good. Trust me I know what I am saying. You are kidding yourself if you don't think that is the case. He has improved his midrange jumper but not his 3 point jump shot. Chandler already had a good midrange game but improved his 3 point shooting in college as noted by scouts and his coach. Two different things. Derozan plays on the inside. He is a pure slasher with a developing midrange game. He isn't a 3 point shooter. I'm not saying he will not become one but what I am saying they are at different points of their progress on shooting.

Also, you keep crediting Houston with improving his jumpshot while Chandler has already credited Phil Weber on his blog as Earl already noted which you seem to not acknowledge, similar to what both Gallinari and Jeffries have claim. Gallinari already stated those 4 are the last ones to leave the gym. If you really believe Allan Houston is spending late nights in the gym with Chandler working on his jumpers then I don't know what to tell you.

Pharz-- I hate to burst your bubble--but you are simply wrong. Wilson Chandler make 8 3 point shots his freshmen year TOTAL Derozan made 6 and both of them made shot around 20% of their 3 point att shots. Chandler played a lot of 4 his first year at Depaul--he made the BE rookie team. Good look it up if you dont believe me--8 3 pointers as a freshmen--he was an interior player for the most part.

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question. Derozan is more talented than Wilson--it's not registering that this kid just shot up his last month in college. If he stayed and improved--he would have a great chance at being the overall number 1 pick next year.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/wilsonchandlerblog.html

"For Marcus from the Bronx – he asked what assistant coaches I work with. That is a really good question. Phil Weber primarily works with me. I mean he does a lot of stuff with me off the dribble shots, spot up shots, post moves, basically everything so I can be a great all around player."

This was posted by Wilson 5 days ago.
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4/13/2009  4:10 PM
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Wilson Chandler had a jumper in college that he worked on in the pros. Derozan doesn't have a jumper at all but I would like him anyway at the 2 spot, along with Evans. My preference would be for a point guard like Jennings at the Knicks spot in they don't land in the top 3. It would be nice to lock down the future spot in this draft for a pg, sg, or center. If you are going to lose Lee, Donnie should really look into acquiring a 2nd round pick and grabbing Taj Gibson. He won't rebound like Lee and is not a bulky guy but he will play defense and block shots. He can shoot from the perimeter too. He is an older player but I think he will have nice career.

Wilson Chandler's jumpshot was about the same as Derozan's his first year--trust me I know what I'm saying.

Trust you nothing. I watched both in college and Derozan's jumper is not as good. Trust me I know what I am saying. You are kidding yourself if you don't think that is the case. He has improved his midrange jumper but not his 3 point jump shot. Chandler already had a good midrange game but improved his 3 point shooting in college as noted by scouts and his coach. Two different things. Derozan plays on the inside. He is a pure slasher with a developing midrange game. He isn't a 3 point shooter. I'm not saying he will not become one but what I am saying they are at different points of their progress on shooting.

Also, you keep crediting Houston with improving his jumpshot while Chandler has already credited Phil Weber on his blog as Earl already noted which you seem to not acknowledge, similar to what both Gallinari and Jeffries have claim. Gallinari already stated those 4 are the last ones to leave the gym. If you really believe Allan Houston is spending late nights in the gym with Chandler working on his jumpers then I don't know what to tell you.

Pharz-- I hate to burst your bubble--but you are simply wrong. Wilson Chandler make 8 3 point shots his freshmen year TOTAL Derozan made 6 and both of them made shot around 20% of their 3 point att shots. Chandler played a lot of 4 his first year at Depaul--he made the BE rookie team. Good look it up if you dont believe me--8 3 pointers as a freshmen--he was an interior player for the most part.

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question. Derozan is more talented than Wilson--it's not registering that this kid just shot up his last month in college. If he stayed and improved--he would have a great chance at being the overall number 1 pick next year.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/wilsonchandlerblog.html

"For Marcus from the Bronx � he asked what assistant coaches I work with. That is a really good question. Phil Weber primarily works with me. I mean he does a lot of stuff with me off the dribble shots, spot up shots, post moves, basically everything so I can be a great all around player."

This was posted by Wilson 5 days ago.

Im sure he does--that's his job. My bet is Allan Houston started working with Wilson before Webber was even a Knick. Look at their forms together.
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4/13/2009  4:13 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Wilson Chandler had a jumper in college that he worked on in the pros. Derozan doesn't have a jumper at all but I would like him anyway at the 2 spot, along with Evans. My preference would be for a point guard like Jennings at the Knicks spot in they don't land in the top 3. It would be nice to lock down the future spot in this draft for a pg, sg, or center. If you are going to lose Lee, Donnie should really look into acquiring a 2nd round pick and grabbing Taj Gibson. He won't rebound like Lee and is not a bulky guy but he will play defense and block shots. He can shoot from the perimeter too. He is an older player but I think he will have nice career.

Wilson Chandler's jumpshot was about the same as Derozan's his first year--trust me I know what I'm saying.

Trust you nothing. I watched both in college and Derozan's jumper is not as good. Trust me I know what I am saying. You are kidding yourself if you don't think that is the case. He has improved his midrange jumper but not his 3 point jump shot. Chandler already had a good midrange game but improved his 3 point shooting in college as noted by scouts and his coach. Two different things. Derozan plays on the inside. He is a pure slasher with a developing midrange game. He isn't a 3 point shooter. I'm not saying he will not become one but what I am saying they are at different points of their progress on shooting.

Also, you keep crediting Houston with improving his jumpshot while Chandler has already credited Phil Weber on his blog as Earl already noted which you seem to not acknowledge, similar to what both Gallinari and Jeffries have claim. Gallinari already stated those 4 are the last ones to leave the gym. If you really believe Allan Houston is spending late nights in the gym with Chandler working on his jumpers then I don't know what to tell you.

Pharz-- I hate to burst your bubble--but you are simply wrong. Wilson Chandler make 8 3 point shots his freshmen year TOTAL Derozan made 6 and both of them made shot around 20% of their 3 point att shots. Chandler played a lot of 4 his first year at Depaul--he made the BE rookie team. Good look it up if you dont believe me--8 3 pointers as a freshmen--he was an interior player for the most part.

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question. Derozan is more talented than Wilson--it's not registering that this kid just shot up his last month in college. If he stayed and improved--he would have a great chance at being the overall number 1 pick next year.

Chandler shot .333 from 3 point line his 2nd year but you have your mind made up. Chandler shot more jumpers than Derozan period. Derozan shot more than 50% from the field and if you think that he was taking a lot of jumpers with those shots you are fooling yourself. I already knew that info. Derozan is not a jump shooter, he is a slasher but hopefully he can develop into more of a shooter.

Chandler already told everyone who helped him with his jumper but you have failed to acknowledge it or believe him.

Unfortunately, one guy we have been missing is Gallo, and it is definitely different. I mean, Gallo is a great player and gifted shooter, so we have to work a lil harder with him out of the line-up. But I’m happy he is doing what he needs to do to get healthy and that the surgery was a success.

I got a lot of great fan questions this time around, so here are a couple of them.

For Marcus from the Bronx – he asked what assistant coaches I work with. That is a really good question. Phil Weber primarily works with me. I mean he does a lot of stuff with me off the dribble shots, spot up shots, post moves, basically everything so I can be a great all around player.


Gallinari also gaved Weber credit along with Jeffries with working on their shooting.
Alan Houston participates in shoot arounds. I don't know why you think his shot immulates Houston's so much maybe because he grew up a Houston fan but other than that no. BTW, Houston when asked by Isiah and Brown to work with Ariza jumper and the rest of the players a couple of years ago declined. Chandler only got to know Houston personally a few months ago.

You don't have to sell me on Derozan, I was talking about the Knicks getting Derozan 8 months ago when you were still on Thabeet. When he wasn't the hot prospect. We talked about this.
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Wilson Chandler had a jumper in college that he worked on in the pros. Derozan doesn't have a jumper at all but I would like him anyway at the 2 spot, along with Evans. My preference would be for a point guard like Jennings at the Knicks spot in they don't land in the top 3. It would be nice to lock down the future spot in this draft for a pg, sg, or center. If you are going to lose Lee, Donnie should really look into acquiring a 2nd round pick and grabbing Taj Gibson. He won't rebound like Lee and is not a bulky guy but he will play defense and block shots. He can shoot from the perimeter too. He is an older player but I think he will have nice career.

Wilson Chandler's jumpshot was about the same as Derozan's his first year--trust me I know what I'm saying.

Trust you nothing. I watched both in college and Derozan's jumper is not as good. Trust me I know what I am saying. You are kidding yourself if you don't think that is the case. He has improved his midrange jumper but not his 3 point jump shot. Chandler already had a good midrange game but improved his 3 point shooting in college as noted by scouts and his coach. Two different things. Derozan plays on the inside. He is a pure slasher with a developing midrange game. He isn't a 3 point shooter. I'm not saying he will not become one but what I am saying they are at different points of their progress on shooting.

Also, you keep crediting Houston with improving his jumpshot while Chandler has already credited Phil Weber on his blog as Earl already noted which you seem to not acknowledge, similar to what both Gallinari and Jeffries have claim. Gallinari already stated those 4 are the last ones to leave the gym. If you really believe Allan Houston is spending late nights in the gym with Chandler working on his jumpers then I don't know what to tell you.

Pharz-- I hate to burst your bubble--but you are simply wrong. Wilson Chandler make 8 3 point shots his freshmen year TOTAL Derozan made 6 and both of them made shot around 20% of their 3 point att shots. Chandler played a lot of 4 his first year at Depaul--he made the BE rookie team. Good look it up if you dont believe me--8 3 pointers as a freshmen--he was an interior player for the most part.

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question. Derozan is more talented than Wilson--it's not registering that this kid just shot up his last month in college. If he stayed and improved--he would have a great chance at being the overall number 1 pick next year.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/wilsonchandlerblog.html

"For Marcus from the Bronx � he asked what assistant coaches I work with. That is a really good question. Phil Weber primarily works with me. I mean he does a lot of stuff with me off the dribble shots, spot up shots, post moves, basically everything so I can be a great all around player."

This was posted by Wilson 5 days ago.

Im sure he does--that's his job. My bet is Allan Houston started working with Wilson before Webber was even a Knick. Look at their forms together.

His job? He is an assistant to the General Manager. He sometimes joins the team in shootarounds. Houston wasn't part of the organization since the 2005 preseason. After the 2005 preseason Houston was invited by Isiah and Brown to stay on as a shooting coach which he declined. The guy went to ESPN and didn't return until his "comeback" attempt this past preseason. He has workout at the Knicks facility in his 2007 comeback attempts but that was with his own trainer. If I recall correctly Houston normally prefer to workout alone. If that wasn't the case did why didn't he work out with Mardy or Balkman?

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4/13/2009  4:27 PM
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Wilson Chandler had a jumper in college that he worked on in the pros. Derozan doesn't have a jumper at all but I would like him anyway at the 2 spot, along with Evans. My preference would be for a point guard like Jennings at the Knicks spot in they don't land in the top 3. It would be nice to lock down the future spot in this draft for a pg, sg, or center. If you are going to lose Lee, Donnie should really look into acquiring a 2nd round pick and grabbing Taj Gibson. He won't rebound like Lee and is not a bulky guy but he will play defense and block shots. He can shoot from the perimeter too. He is an older player but I think he will have nice career.

Wilson Chandler's jumpshot was about the same as Derozan's his first year--trust me I know what I'm saying.

Trust you nothing. I watched both in college and Derozan's jumper is not as good. Trust me I know what I am saying. You are kidding yourself if you don't think that is the case. He has improved his midrange jumper but not his 3 point jump shot. Chandler already had a good midrange game but improved his 3 point shooting in college as noted by scouts and his coach. Two different things. Derozan plays on the inside. He is a pure slasher with a developing midrange game. He isn't a 3 point shooter. I'm not saying he will not become one but what I am saying they are at different points of their progress on shooting.

Also, you keep crediting Houston with improving his jumpshot while Chandler has already credited Phil Weber on his blog as Earl already noted which you seem to not acknowledge, similar to what both Gallinari and Jeffries have claim. Gallinari already stated those 4 are the last ones to leave the gym. If you really believe Allan Houston is spending late nights in the gym with Chandler working on his jumpers then I don't know what to tell you.

Pharz-- I hate to burst your bubble--but you are simply wrong. Wilson Chandler make 8 3 point shots his freshmen year TOTAL Derozan made 6 and both of them made shot around 20% of their 3 point att shots. Chandler played a lot of 4 his first year at Depaul--he made the BE rookie team. Good look it up if you dont believe me--8 3 pointers as a freshmen--he was an interior player for the most part.

Demar Derozan has good form on his jumpshot--imho it's a better looking shot at this point comparing them both as freshmen in college. As far as H2O--I have no doubt in my mind that Allan had to be working with this kid. Look at their forms--they are nearly identical. I would love to hear Wilson answer that question. Derozan is more talented than Wilson--it's not registering that this kid just shot up his last month in college. If he stayed and improved--he would have a great chance at being the overall number 1 pick next year.

Chandler shot .333 from 3 point line his 2nd year but you have your mind made up. Chandler shot more jumpers than Derozan period. Derozan shot more than 50% from the field and if you think that he was taking a lot of jumpers with those shots you are fooling yourself. I already knew that info. Derozan is not a jump shooter, he is a slasher but hopefully he can develop into more of a shooter.

Chandler already told everyone who helped him with his jumper but you have failed to acknowledge it or believe him.

Unfortunately, one guy we have been missing is Gallo, and it is definitely different. I mean, Gallo is a great player and gifted shooter, so we have to work a lil harder with him out of the line-up. But I�m happy he is doing what he needs to do to get healthy and that the surgery was a success.

I got a lot of great fan questions this time around, so here are a couple of them.

For Marcus from the Bronx � he asked what assistant coaches I work with. That is a really good question. Phil Weber primarily works with me. I mean he does a lot of stuff with me off the dribble shots, spot up shots, post moves, basically everything so I can be a great all around player.


Gallinari also gaved Weber credit along with Jeffries with working on their shooting.
Alan Houston participates in shoot arounds. I don't know why you think his shot immulates Houston's so much maybe because he grew up a Houston fan but other than that no. BTW, Houston when asked by Isiah and Brown to work with Ariza jumper and the rest of the players a couple of years ago declined. Chandler only got to know Houston personally a few months ago.

You don't have to sell me on Derozan, I was talking about the Knicks getting Derozan 8 months ago when you were still on Thabeet. When he wasn't the hot prospect. We talked about this.

My point was Chandler was not a jump shooter his freshmen year either. Derozan wasnt very good early in the year--so the only thing you were going on was hype and youtube clips. Anything else is BS. I killed Derozan when I first saw him at USC. He simply transformed the last month--he started to display his high school form.
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4/13/2009  4:51 PM
I don't doubt it Briggs. That's what I was talking about months ago. I didn't care about what he was lacking because I think he has high potential. I am not sure if he will develop into a good shooter but I always felt he would be a natural scorer which doesn't have much to do with shooting. I am unsure although how the coaching staff feels about his abilities and how they think he fits what they want to do.
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