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Cosmic
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4/11/2009  8:47 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Hmm...
So we have one sure thing on this messy team and one decent person on this garbage organization and we want to get read of him because he will cost 10M per to mister Donkey?
Some people on this board still think that 2010 free agents are dreaming to join this circus. Get real, they are not idiots.
If Walsh and coach D will be able to make this pure thing respectable - this will be inside job and Lee can be a part of the solution.

You do not pay a player 10M a year when his resume reads:

FRONT COURT PLAYER WHO:
Great rebounder, except, he constantly leaves his man early to be in position for said rebounds, leaving him vulnerable to get scored on via an O-Board 3+ times a game.
Lazy ass passer turning the ball over 3 or more unneeded times a game.
Near zero offensive ability. Stuffed regularly. Litteraly no creativity on offense.
ZERO defense in fact giving up far more than he ever scores in any game.

You just do not do this unless you know you're going to acquire a superstar FC player to put along side him. And don't say Bosh cause that front court would get MURDERED any given night. I'm talking Dwight Howard, Shaq or Duncan in their prime, etc.

So do you really put your next DECADE of Knicks basketball in those hands? Hoping to acquire a superstar FC player so that Lee looks good doing the blue collar work?

I wouldn't.....
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4/11/2009  9:49 PM
You give Lee $10 million a year and you might as well follow this blueprint...again:

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4/11/2009  9:51 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by arkrud:

Hmm...
So we have one sure thing on this messy team and one decent person on this garbage organization and we want to get read of him because he will cost 10M per to mister Donkey?
Some people on this board still think that 2010 free agents are dreaming to join this circus. Get real, they are not idiots.
If Walsh and coach D will be able to make this pure thing respectable - this will be inside job and Lee can be a part of the solution.

You do not pay a player 10M a year when his resume reads:

FRONT COURT PLAYER WHO:
Great rebounder, except, he constantly leaves his man early to be in position for said rebounds, leaving him vulnerable to get scored on via an O-Board 3+ times a game.
Lazy ass passer turning the ball over 3 or more unneeded times a game.
Near zero offensive ability. Stuffed regularly. Litteraly no creativity on offense.
ZERO defense in fact giving up far more than he ever scores in any game.

You just do not do this unless you know you're going to acquire a superstar FC player to put along side him. And don't say Bosh cause that front court would get MURDERED any given night. I'm talking Dwight Howard, Shaq or Duncan in their prime, etc.

So do you really put your next DECADE of Knicks basketball in those hands? Hoping to acquire a superstar FC player so that Lee looks good doing the blue collar work?

I wouldn't.....

Keep David Lee
RIP Crushalot😞
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4/11/2009  10:39 PM
I like him too, Briggs, but then we have to move Jeffries and Curry to have flexibility.
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4/11/2009  10:45 PM
Everyone wants to keep him but not at $10 million. Walsh should have given him that damn extension during pre-season. His plan backfired.
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4/12/2009  3:30 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Everyone wants to keep him but not at $10 million. Walsh should have given him that damn extension during pre-season. His plan backfired.

So are you the new isles now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/sports/basketball/12knicks.html?ref=basketball
Lee and Robinson were eligible for extensions last summer, but no serious negotiations took place because of each player’s initial asking price. According to a person who was briefed on the matter, Lee’s agent was seeking about $10 million a season, and Robinson’s agent was asking for about $6 million.

I don't want Lee back for more than $6 million per season. And that is if we will upgrade at the position and try to sign/trade a top PF by 2010. Lee is a 6th man on a good/great team. He is an overrated starter on a bad one like this.
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4/12/2009  1:01 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Everyone wants to keep him but not at $10 million. Walsh should have given him that damn extension during pre-season. His plan backfired.

So are you the new isles now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/sports/basketball/12knicks.html?ref=basketball
Lee and Robinson were eligible for extensions last summer, but no serious negotiations took place because of each player’s initial asking price. According to a person who was briefed on the matter, Lee’s agent was seeking about $10 million a season, and Robinson’s agent was asking for about $6 million.

I don't want Lee back for more than $6 million per season. And that is if we will upgrade at the position and try to sign/trade a top PF by 2010. Lee is a 6th man on a good/great team. He is an overrated starter on a bad one like this.

Lee agent asked for 10 mils because this was the price for this kind of player at a time. Is it too much? Of course it is. But in NBA players are getting much more money that they deserve. Even players completely useless like... Eddy, Zack, Craf, Q, Jeffries... and countless others.
Is the setup different now after all America, NBA included, suddenly realized that we are long time running on empty? Probably it is.
Walsh wants to see what other NBA teams will offer for Lee. And I don't think this will be 10 mils per. 7-8? Maybe, but no guaranty...
Then we can really easily bit it by offering some 6,7,8,9,10,12 or 6,7,10,10,10. And who cares how much David will cost to Dolan in 2011 and beyond.
So David will not go anywhere.




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4/12/2009  2:00 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Everyone wants to keep him but not at $10 million. Walsh should have given him that damn extension during pre-season. His plan backfired.

So are you the new isles now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/sports/basketball/12knicks.html?ref=basketball
Lee and Robinson were eligible for extensions last summer, but no serious negotiations took place because of each player’s initial asking price. According to a person who was briefed on the matter, Lee’s agent was seeking about $10 million a season, and Robinson’s agent was asking for about $6 million.

I don't want Lee back for more than $6 million per season. And that is if we will upgrade at the position and try to sign/trade a top PF by 2010. Lee is a 6th man on a good/great team. He is an overrated starter on a bad one like this.

Lee agent asked for 10 mils because this was the price for this kind of player at a time. Is it too much? Of course it is. But in NBA players are getting much more money that they deserve. Even players completely useless like... Eddy, Zack, Craf, Q, Jeffries... and countless others.
Is the setup different now after all America, NBA included, suddenly realized that we are long time running on empty? Probably it is.
Walsh wants to see what other NBA teams will offer for Lee. And I don't think this will be 10 mils per. 7-8? Maybe, but no guaranty...
Then we can really easily bit it by offering some 6,7,8,9,10,12 or 6,7,10,10,10. And who cares how much David will cost to Dolan in 2011 and beyond.
So David will not go anywhere.


I care. It's about salary cap space and I don't think it is prudent to waste significant cap space on a role player who plays no defense.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 04-12-2009 2:01 PM]
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4/13/2009  9:36 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Everyone wants to keep him but not at $10 million. Walsh should have given him that damn extension during pre-season. His plan backfired.

So are you the new isles now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/sports/basketball/12knicks.html?ref=basketball
Lee and Robinson were eligible for extensions last summer, but no serious negotiations took place because of each player’s initial asking price. According to a person who was briefed on the matter, Lee’s agent was seeking about $10 million a season, and Robinson’s agent was asking for about $6 million.

I don't want Lee back for more than $6 million per season. And that is if we will upgrade at the position and try to sign/trade a top PF by 2010. Lee is a 6th man on a good/great team. He is an overrated starter on a bad one like this.

Lee agent asked for 10 mils because this was the price for this kind of player at a time. Is it too much? Of course it is. But in NBA players are getting much more money that they deserve. Even players completely useless like... Eddy, Zack, Craf, Q, Jeffries... and countless others.
Is the setup different now after all America, NBA included, suddenly realized that we are long time running on empty? Probably it is.
Walsh wants to see what other NBA teams will offer for Lee. And I don't think this will be 10 mils per. 7-8? Maybe, but no guaranty...
Then we can really easily bit it by offering some 6,7,8,9,10,12 or 6,7,10,10,10. And who cares how much David will cost to Dolan in 2011 and beyond.
So David will not go anywhere.


I care. It's about salary cap space and I don't think it is prudent to waste significant cap space on a role player who plays no defense.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 04-12-2009 2:01 PM]

David will be always tradable this way or another so he is pretty safe to handle in any way it will happen to turn.
The only problem we still have is Eddy and Jeffries to some extent.
Otherwise the flexibility we have is amazing.




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4/13/2009  9:41 AM
Posted by arkrud:



David will be always tradable this way or another so he is pretty safe to handle in any way it will happen to turn.
The only problem we still have is Eddy and Jeffries to some extent.
Otherwise the flexibility we have is amazing.

you gotta be careful with this. if you resign him based on numbers he posted this year, then reduce his minutes or utilize him differently resulting in lowered stats, he may not be so tradable at a high salary.
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4/13/2009  9:59 AM
I think the Knicks--having a players best interests at heart--were terribly negligent playing Lee last night after he clearly injured his knee late against Orlando. David Lee was naive for playing and the Knicks didnt take the best interests of the player to heart. Why would you play someone who was clearly injured and the game means nothing? Does David Lee want to have his knee collapse before he gets to FA? Sometimes really basic common sense just does not apply. David--it's OK to be tough when your tough and SMART. Tough and stupid isnt a good match.
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4/13/2009  1:25 PM
Yup he was major suckage yesterday
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4/14/2009  12:43 PM
Wow, I never thought I'd see realistic assessments of David Lee contribution and worth contract-wise on this board!

I'll add to it: Lee will deserve more money when he shows up for the beginning of the season in shape. 2 years running now he has come into the season in poor shape. I also want to see him build some strength so he can actually guard somebody (If he actually tries to do so.) His rebounding is somewhat overrated given that he ignores all other parts of the game in order to snatch rebounds.

On the plus side, he is one of the best layuppers I have seen. When he puts up a layup, even if he is under great defensive pressure, he makes it. He needs to round out his game, and get his jumper much more consistent, at that point I would consider him a good option at starting PF.

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