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Let's say we end up w/the #8 pick in the lottery... Which plan of action would you take?
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Let's say we end up w/the #8 pick in the lottery... Would you guys:
keep the pick & take BPA (& who would u realistically target w/that pick?)
try to trade up to get a chance at one of the better prospects using Lee or Nate (& who would u realistically target?)
buy or trade for an extra late round pick & parlay the 2 picks to try & move up (& who would u realistically target?)
trade the pick to move down & gain an extra pick (& who would u realistically target w/those picks)
trade the pick along w/Lee, Nate & whatever other assets it will take to get an established star NBA player like Amare or Bosh.
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4/4/2009  5:58 PM
how's his defense? we need someone to be an intimidating presence down low on defense as well as offense.
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4/4/2009  6:09 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:


Draft T.Hansbrough.

HELL NAW!!!

And Blair is no Sweetney. The minute Sweetney stepped on the court you could tell he wanted nothing to do with NBA competition. He's a big guy, but was really light in the ass when it came to competing.

Blair is going to have none of that. He's going to be ready to scrap and fight from day one --- he wont bytch up.
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4/4/2009  7:39 PM
Posted by TMS:

how's his defense? we need someone to be an intimidating presence down low on defense as well as offense.

Better than Lee's, but that's not saying much.
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4/4/2009  9:56 PM
trade an expiring and the pick for a player. (nash?)

trade another expiring for a player. (vince?)

s&t lee for a player. (josh smith?)

sign a player via the MLE. (sheed?)

make a midseason deal for another player using expirings.

the knicks can put together a 50+ win team next season w/o any problems by taking advantage of the economy. you can substitute some of those players for other guys like diddy, etc. point is, what the knicks are doing is stupid unless they have a deal already in place for lebron or wade.
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4/5/2009  2:47 AM
Hmm... 5 votes for the impossible or the illegal trade. For the millionth time you can't trade restricted free agents on draft night. You have to trade for the draft rights for a player already selected and that's if you can convince both Lee and Nate to go along with the whole scheme which would be an illegal trade since you can't plan to trade a restricted free agent ahead of time. Such action causes you to lose your right to first refusal. The CBA was written by a bunch of lawyers, these guys didn't just slap it together in a bar.
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4/5/2009  5:56 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... 5 votes for the impossible or the illegal trade. For the millionth time you can't trade restricted free agents on draft night. You have to trade for the draft rights for a player already selected and that's if you can convince both Lee and Nate to go along with the whole scheme which would be an illegal trade since you can't plan to trade a restricted free agent ahead of time. Such action causes you to lose your right to first refusal. The CBA was written by a bunch of lawyers, these guys didn't just slap it together in a bar.

well obviously that's what's implied when i bring up the idea... i know it's not allowed, u've explained it enough times... we can still swing a deal using Nate or Lee for another player's draft rights in a sign & trade type scenario.
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4/5/2009  5:59 AM
Posted by loweyecue:
Posted by TMS:

how's his defense? we need someone to be an intimidating presence down low on defense as well as offense.

Better than Lee's, but that's not saying much.

we need a frontcourt player that brings some shotblocking ability as well as being a rebounding force... IMO Hansbrough may be very similar to D Lee in terms of being that "blue collar style" player that produces off his hustle but he doesn't strike me as filling that huge void we currently have... that's why i would target someone like Jordan Hill or Thabeet if we're gonna go after a frontcourt player in this draft (that is if either of them are even on the board when it's our turn to pick)... Donnie might have something in mind where we go after Bosh or Amare using our assets tho, who knows.
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4/5/2009  11:11 AM
draft Henderson. physically he is ready to defend the 2 at the NBA level and MDA's staff is excellent at helping players improve their shooting stroke, consistency, and range.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/5/2009  11:35 AM
I haven't seen too much of Thabeet, but unless we switch to a half court style game really not sure what he can do for us. I love his size and and his blocking ability, but he still needs to add more wieght and strength to his lower body. That Suton foul that floored him was ugly to watch. And if we draft we should seriously consider a different style of play from. This dude will not Flourish in the SSOL.
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4/5/2009  11:36 AM
trade an expiring and the pick for a player. (nash?)

Hell no. You don't trade lotto picks for players as old as Nash. He can break down any moment.
trade another expiring for a player. (vince?)

Say no to Vince. You should have put him in your No Thanks club a few years ago.
s&t lee for a player. (josh smith?)

Yes yes yes yes yes
sign a player via the MLE. (sheed?)

Never was a fan of Sheed and his overrated game.


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4/5/2009  12:09 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... 5 votes for the impossible or the illegal trade. For the millionth time you can't trade restricted free agents on draft night. You have to trade for the draft rights for a player already selected and that's if you can convince both Lee and Nate to go along with the whole scheme which would be an illegal trade since you can't plan to trade a restricted free agent ahead of time. Such action causes you to lose your right to first refusal. The CBA was written by a bunch of lawyers, these guys didn't just slap it together in a bar.

Okay, but I think we should try to trade up to get a chance at one of the better prospects using Lee or Nate.
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4/5/2009  4:44 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Blair will never be more than a reserve in the NBA.
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4/5/2009  5:05 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Blair will never be more than a reserve in the NBA.

Totally agree.
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4/5/2009  5:17 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Blair will never be more than a reserve in the NBA.

No way--we'll see on that one.
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4/5/2009  5:41 PM
he'll be better than Jahidi White or Michael Sweetney, but he won't be close to no Elton Brand, let's just put it that way.
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4/5/2009  6:07 PM
Posted by TMS:

he'll be better than Jahidi White or Michael Sweetney, but he won't be close to no Elton Brand, let's just put it that way.

He's a very very good rebounder. He's very quick for his size with long arms and incredibly strong hands. I think what might make a difference from other lineman like players is he is a mentally tough human being. He is physically and mentally a tough dude with vice like hands an incredible base and has quick reflexes for his size. I don't know what he will score but can this be a player who gives you 12/13 rebounds in 30 minutes or so. Depends where he plays--if a team needs the rebounding and has a big 5.
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4/5/2009  6:24 PM
i'd be shocked if he ever became anything more than Danny Fortson.
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4/5/2009  7:26 PM
History repeats itself and we went through the era of Mo Taylor, Malik Rose, Sweetney, Othella Harrington, and now David Lee

We've seen the 6'6 - 6'8" frontcourt player here in NY and what their limits are.

Its the reason that I don't think Griffin will be a star, and its the reason I don't think Blair will make an impact.


Also, for the 99th time going back and forth over this argument, if an RFA cannot be traded for draft picks, what was the Artest/Greene trade all about? As long as you wait for the deadlines to pass, you should be able to do it.

If that's not the case, Donnie Walsh should be hog-tied, dragged out of his office, have his office torn out, fumigated, have the debris from the old office burned, and build a new one and hire a new GM, because we cannot logically keep Lee and Nate considering the path that we're on, and if those assets were completely wasted then our GM is a complete fraud.
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4/5/2009  8:14 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

History repeats itself and we went through the era of Mo Taylor, Malik Rose, Sweetney, Othella Harrington, and now David Lee

We've seen the 6'6 - 6'8" frontcourt player here in NY and what their limits are.

Its the reason that I don't think Griffin will be a star, and its the reason I don't think Blair will make an impact.


Also, for the 99th time going back and forth over this argument, if an RFA cannot be traded for draft picks, what was the Artest/Greene trade all about? As long as you wait for the deadlines to pass, you should be able to do it.

If that's not the case, Donnie Walsh should be hog-tied, dragged out of his office, have his office torn out, fumigated, have the debris from the old office burned, and build a new one and hire a new GM, because we cannot logically keep Lee and Nate considering the path that we're on, and if those assets were completely wasted then our GM is a complete fraud.

And for the millionth time, Greene was already selected, his draft rights were traded. The Rockets scouted Greene out for their team but the Artest opportunity presented them with a trade option after the fact. No trade was made before the draft. That was a sign and trade because Artest didn't want to play in SAC anymore. You have the right to trade away your draft rights to a player. The CBA is very clear on how this must go down. No trades or talks of such a trade before the draft. That's why there is a serious risk involve because Lee and Nate can go out and seek lucrative offers that another wouldn't find at all acceptable. And Donnie can't do anything about it since he only has the right of first refusal, which he loses if he discuss a trade before they are even signed.
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4/5/2009  8:26 PM
Pharzone, so you're saying that our GM completely effed the team then?

You're taking the literal interpretation of the rule, but that rule has been subverted in past years and when you watch the draft on TV the media openly talks about rumored trades that they think will be announced later.
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