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4/1/2009  9:45 AM
Posted by Paladin55:
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Besides Griffin, if Rubio puts his name in the draft like he wants would your order change?

No way
The Knicks would take Rubio over DeRozan or Evans, IMHO, and if we somehow get the #1 pick with Rubio in the draft we would trade our pick to drop down a slot if we could parlay Griffin for Rubio and an extra #1 in this year's draft or next year's.

I have to think that MDA would be having wet dreams about Ricky if he realized we had a chance to pick him.

Thats insane. Blake Griffin is the second coming of Karl Malone. Who in their right minds would be so careless.
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4/1/2009  9:50 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I don't know how any of us can really get a serious read on what Jennings or Rubio are or can be. I've looked for extended videos of Jennings, but there isn't much out there to see.

If we landed at the two or three slot and Rubio were there, I have a hard time imagining Euro lover MikeD passing him by. He's seen him in person. No other head coach has. He's supposed to be a leader and was defensive player of the year in his league so he'd seem to be a fit.

Donnie Walsh is headed over to Europe to watch the final 8 playoffs, but neither Jennings or Rubio are in the playoffs.

All I know is all the Olympians raved about Rubio... that's all I need.

And as much love as I have for Rubio, Griffin is the number one.
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4/1/2009  9:59 AM
Im on the fence about whether you pick Rubio or Griffin in that situation.
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4/1/2009  10:11 AM
Posted by kingofelpaso:

Im on the fence about whether you pick Rubio or Griffin in that situation.

If we ever picked Rubio over Griffin we would be looked as we are now--the stupidest franchise going. No one would give us a pass on that one. You take Griffin and be thankful for God we got him. Even if we kept David Lee at C and added Blake Griffin at PF and got Nash for the MLE--with a few small moves we would be title contenders right away. Ricky Rubio guarantees me nothing.
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4/1/2009  10:25 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

To me it's simple

the first three options up top

1.win the lottery take griffin

2a win 2nd or 3 in the lottery and take Evans. If we do not get those spots try hard as hll to move up to get him--

2b if all efforts fail to get Evans do the same with Derozan

I really believe that one of the second options CAN happen and will really benefit the team


Lastly after these two moves I would try hard as hell to buy a pick or two or use any remaining assets to get Mullens .

My only goal is to get 1 of the three players above and Mullens That is my plan A-B-C after that there has to be multiple strategies including looking at trading the pick for EXISTING NBA players like Koufus in a multi asset trade.

Briggs - I've really come after you on your constant changes in terms of who we should draft but I have to say you are pretty funny with this stuff.

I like both Evan's and Derozan (he grew on me) and I'm really hopeful that both come out. If we can't get a quality big I at least want legit NBA athletes on the board when we pick and the more guys like Evans and Derozan that come out the better chance a great athlete may be sitting there at 8 (where I think we'll pick).

I'm also hoping for Drew Holliday to come out -- he was down this year but I think Collison's presense really hampered his game and the kid has nice size and skill for an NBA point.

My guess is that Walsh will go big if Aldridge or the Georgetown kid is there but I think a kid like Derozan as our starting 2 for the next 10 years or Evan's might be our best bet at a star. We have to keep hoping that more guys enter the damn draft -- including Rubio.
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4/1/2009  10:27 AM
Posted by TMS:

if we have a shot at any of these players we gotta get them... period:

Griffin
Derozan
Rubio
Jennings
Hill

We are actually in a virtual tie for 8th this morning with Toronto. We need to drop 1 or 2 games to them this weekend.
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4/1/2009  10:27 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

Im on the fence about whether you pick Rubio or Griffin in that situation.

If we ever picked Rubio over Griffin we would be looked as we are now--the stupidest franchise going. No one would give us a pass on that one. You take Griffin and be thankful for God we got him. Even if we kept David Lee at C and added Blake Griffin at PF and got Nash for the MLE--with a few small moves we would be title contenders right away. Ricky Rubio guarantees me nothing.

I agree with Briggs I would take Griffin over Rubio. But I would take Monroe over DeRozan and Evans.
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4/1/2009  10:30 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

Im on the fence about whether you pick Rubio or Griffin in that situation.

If we ever picked Rubio over Griffin we would be looked as we are now--the stupidest franchise going. No one would give us a pass on that one. You take Griffin and be thankful for God we got him. Even if we kept David Lee at C and added Blake Griffin at PF and got Nash for the MLE--with a few small moves we would be title contenders right away. Ricky Rubio guarantees me nothing.



Lets just common sense for one second.

The Knicks have a bad record but it's not a TERRIBLE team. God willing--if we were lucky to get pick 1--you are trading Jared Jefferies for Blake griffin. If Steve Nash would be willing to take an MLE--we would be trading Chris Duhon for Steve Nash. These guys Jefferies and Duhon become very good bench players which is also an upgrade. We add a little size the way Denver did with Andersen-my hope is we can get in on Mullens --but I dont know how they think or if it is possible. You resign Lee and Nate to reasonable contracts which i think will be the case as the economy has tanked lets say 8.25 for lee and 6.25 for nate


Line up

C-David Lee
PF Blake Griffin
SF Al Harrington
G Wilson Chandler
G Steve Nash
6th man Nate Robinson
back up PG Chris Duhon
SG Hughes
FJefferies
back up C--Mullens???
back up C Curry
That is a LOT of fire power
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4/1/2009  10:33 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

Im on the fence about whether you pick Rubio or Griffin in that situation.

If we ever picked Rubio over Griffin we would be looked as we are now--the stupidest franchise going. No one would give us a pass on that one. You take Griffin and be thankful for God we got him. Even if we kept David Lee at C and added Blake Griffin at PF and got Nash for the MLE--with a few small moves we would be title contenders right away. Ricky Rubio guarantees me nothing.

No we wouldn't.

Rubio is rated very highly by the entire NBA community.

Drafting Rubio over Griffin would be in line with the Bulls taking Rose over Beasley.

I'm not sure what the hell the Knicks would do -- Rubio would seem to be more risky but when you watch the Knicks they are being killed by ME 1st selfish players --- Rubio would cure all of that instantly. He wouldn't do squat for our rebounding and shot blocking but he would give us a leader and someone who would / could turn our team into a 1970s version of the Knicks where the ball moved and players looked pass first. He could make the garden come alive.
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4/1/2009  10:34 AM
I understand that Griffin appears to be the second coming of Karl Malone. I recognize the importance of that and the potential that he has to be a major force for a long time to come.

But at the same time, it appears to me that Rubio has the potential to be a Steve Nash type orchestrator / leader. And its obvious how well a player like that works under D'Antoni.

The reason I could be on the fence is that I cannot tell which peice would be more important over the long term.
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4/1/2009  10:35 AM
We're not going to win the lottery so we can stop the Griffin talk.

we have about an 8% chance of getting 2/3.

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4/1/2009  11:01 AM
Posted by kingofelpaso:

I understand that Griffin appears to be the second coming of Karl Malone. I recognize the importance of that and the potential that he has to be a major force for a long time to come.

But at the same time, it appears to me that Rubio has the potential to be a Steve Nash type orchestrator / leader. And its obvious how well a player like that works under D'Antoni.

The reason I could be on the fence is that I cannot tell which peice would be more important over the long term.
Look at their bodies. Blake Griffin just averaged 28 points 15 rebounds shooting 80% in his 4 NCAA games. The guy hit his head on the side of the backboard on a dunk. He dribbles full court and dunks he goes around people using a dribble and dunks he's got a COMBINATION of incredible hands speed coordination and agility in a power packed body. He is Karl Malone with more athletic ability--you cant go off the board for a skinny PG that doesnt even dominate a foreign league. Let me see him keep Ty Lawson or Kemba Walker in front of him--he cant
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4/1/2009  11:07 AM
Sure, Griffin is the more impressive physical specimen, without a doubt.

But dont discount the importance of a PG's ability to impact a team on the whole. Plus, for what its worth, Rubio was just awarded his league's defensive player of the year. Say what you want about the venue each plays at, but Rubio has been playing professionally against grown men for years and has been heralded by our best players in the Olympics.

As much of a freak athlete as Griffin is (Im sure there are a ton of highlights to come in the future), he cant get by on his body alone at the next level.

The decision on who to take needs to be based on more than just physcality
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4/1/2009  11:09 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

I understand that Griffin appears to be the second coming of Karl Malone. I recognize the importance of that and the potential that he has to be a major force for a long time to come.

But at the same time, it appears to me that Rubio has the potential to be a Steve Nash type orchestrator / leader. And its obvious how well a player like that works under D'Antoni.

The reason I could be on the fence is that I cannot tell which peice would be more important over the long term.
Look at their bodies. Blake Griffin just averaged 28 points 15 rebounds shooting 80% in his 4 NCAA games. The guy hit his head on the side of the backboard on a dunk. He dribbles full court and dunks he goes around people using a dribble and dunks he's got a COMBINATION of incredible hands speed coordination and agility in a power packed body. He is Karl Malone with more athletic ability--you cant go off the board for a skinny PG that doesnt even dominate a foreign league. Let me see him keep Ty Lawson or Kemba Walker in front of him--he cant

At the same time Griffin has already had 2 knee surgeries before the age of 21.

Rubio while skinny is tall and wirey for a point and its possible his body can take the pounding -- though he was also banged up with a wrist injury this year.

Bottom line --- this would be a nice situation to be in but its a VERY LONG SHOT.
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4/1/2009  11:13 AM
Agreed, I can only hope this whole debate becomes more relevant
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4/1/2009  11:22 AM
Posted by kingofelpaso:

Sure, Griffin is the more impressive physical specimen, without a doubt.

But dont discount the importance of a PG's ability to impact a team on the whole. Plus, for what its worth, Rubio was just awarded his league's defensive player of the year. Say what you want about the venue each plays at, but Rubio has been playing professionally against grown men for years and has been heralded by our best players in the Olympics.

As much of a freak athlete as Griffin is (Im sure there are a ton of highlights to come in the future), he cant get by on his body alone at the next level.

The decision on who to take needs to be based on more than just physcality


Without Karl Malone John Stockton is not as good. Without John Stockton Karl Malone is still just as good.
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4/1/2009  11:37 AM
Briggs, how can you tell Malone would be just as good without his hall of fame PG? He scored so many of his points off of that pick and roll play that they ran over and over and over.

The Griffin debate is dumb. We have at most a 3% chance of getting the #1 slot if we move past Toronto.

Its not happening. We're not getting Griffin.

the 2/3 slots are at least a 1 in 10 shot but that's not likely either

If Jennings and Evans slide to us so that we can have that debate on draft day we'll be damn lucky.

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4/1/2009  11:54 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

Sure, Griffin is the more impressive physical specimen, without a doubt.

But dont discount the importance of a PG's ability to impact a team on the whole. Plus, for what its worth, Rubio was just awarded his league's defensive player of the year. Say what you want about the venue each plays at, but Rubio has been playing professionally against grown men for years and has been heralded by our best players in the Olympics.

As much of a freak athlete as Griffin is (Im sure there are a ton of highlights to come in the future), he cant get by on his body alone at the next level.

The decision on who to take needs to be based on more than just physcality


Without Karl Malone John Stockton is not as good. Without John Stockton Karl Malone is still just as good.

i don't even begin to understand the above or how you can come to that conclusion.
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4/1/2009  11:59 AM
I'd like to know how much of Rubio everyone has seen play to be able to make some surefire judgements. Blake's been on TV a lot recently.

Didn't Rubio help his Olympic team to the finals against USA and hold his own versus Deron and CP at the tender age of 17?
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4/1/2009  12:25 PM
I'm with you. If we land the number one pick we have an all-star for the next decade but that's not likely to happen unless Stern grants us a miracle.

Had we drafted Randolph this season we most likely would have taken the second best player in the draft. That kid is going to be one of the best shotblockers in the entire league and could have grown into a center in Mikes lineup and paired with chandler would have given us a legit defensive frontcourt.

Walsh don't **** it up again.
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