Posted by martin:

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by nixluva:

This is not about MDA! He is clearly seen ripping his players when they do stupid things and that goes for defensive mistakes and stupid showboating. This idea that he gives way to teams that are undisciplined or out of control is garbage, cuz his PHX teams were very professional. This team doesn't have many bad actors, just Nate and AL, so let's not paint with a broad brush.

Nate will settle down and I don't think there's any real comparison with Steph. I think Steph is a different case altogether. Nate is a high strung guy that thrives off of that natural tendency and he just needs to control it. Steph has always been under control on the court, he's just selfish. That's two different things. Nate is more like Starks. People don't remember it, but Starks did eventually mellow out. I feel Nate will do the same. Don't underestimate the effect that overactive hormones can have on adults. He strikes me as a typical hyperactive.

I would keep him, cuz his net effect is positive IMO. The few instances that he get's out of control aren't frequent enough for me to overlook his positive effect when he enters every game. He's a perfect 6th man and I would like to keep him. As much as I like Lee, he's actually easier to replace than Nate IMO. Nate can takeover a game and even win games for you. Lee is the kind of guy that helps in the middle of games, but can't help much in crunchtime. Lee is good, just not THAT good. So i'd rather look to replace Lee with a stud at PF that is more dominant and keep Nate, who is one of the best 6th men in the league even at this stage.

what makes you say that he will settle down with so much confidence? also, how has his net effect been positive? can you ellaborate using facts instead of "feelings"?

Since Nate has gotten here I think he HAS improved each year. The little dude does need a strong leadership voice around him on the court though.

Antics are WAAAAYYYY down but are still there. At a reasonable price, I keep him. Or trade him for a first round pick.

i can agree w that statement to an extent martin - he def has improved a little bit - he isnt trying to fight his teammates in the shower or trying slam dunk competition type dunks during games anymore like he did during that cleveland game. the fact remains that there is something within him that causes him to play against the system. its all good w some if he scores 30 pts in the game, but what about all those times when he should have passed rather than gone for his or mental lapses lead to turnovers? i just dont think he will be consistent in that regard. at least we dont hear about him out at the clubs each wknd.

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I hope Phoenix misses the playoffs, the Suns let Nash walk, and then the Knicks can decide between Nate and Nash

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by Bippity10:

With Nates ability, if he ever could harness it, you would see him start to lead his team to wins. Until then he's just another guy who can put numbers on the board, but can't focus on the little things that help teams win.

i.e.: useless

Posted by martin:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I have a hard time blaming Nate about immaturity issues when his coach is a bad example for himself. Do I really need to see him yuck it up with former players, guys he may or may not have gotten to know on the Olympic team and just the opposition in general, then in the same breath whine and complain to the officials on every possession. Stop it. Al Harrington's T? What about the coach's T? This entire squad needs to GTFU already. From top to bottom. That's why you have guys walking off the bench in crucial playoff games because you are so busy running into the fray yourself. This team has a long way to go to learn self control.

let us know which coach doesn't do this.

Let us know which coach does it so much that he has other coaches calling him out on it during a game.

good find, you point is well taken.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by martin:

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by nixluva:

This is not about MDA! He is clearly seen ripping his players when they do stupid things and that goes for defensive mistakes and stupid showboating. This idea that he gives way to teams that are undisciplined or out of control is garbage, cuz his PHX teams were very professional. This team doesn't have many bad actors, just Nate and AL, so let's not paint with a broad brush.

Nate will settle down and I don't think there's any real comparison with Steph. I think Steph is a different case altogether. Nate is a high strung guy that thrives off of that natural tendency and he just needs to control it. Steph has always been under control on the court, he's just selfish. That's two different things. Nate is more like Starks. People don't remember it, but Starks did eventually mellow out. I feel Nate will do the same. Don't underestimate the effect that overactive hormones can have on adults. He strikes me as a typical hyperactive.

I would keep him, cuz his net effect is positive IMO. The few instances that he get's out of control aren't frequent enough for me to overlook his positive effect when he enters every game. He's a perfect 6th man and I would like to keep him. As much as I like Lee, he's actually easier to replace than Nate IMO. Nate can takeover a game and even win games for you. Lee is the kind of guy that helps in the middle of games, but can't help much in crunchtime. Lee is good, just not THAT good. So i'd rather look to replace Lee with a stud at PF that is more dominant and keep Nate, who is one of the best 6th men in the league even at this stage.

what makes you say that he will settle down with so much confidence? also, how has his net effect been positive? can you ellaborate using facts instead of "feelings"?

Since Nate has gotten here I think he HAS improved each year. The little dude does need a strong leadership voice around him on the court though.

Antics are WAAAAYYYY down but are still there. At a reasonable price, I keep him. Or trade him for a first round pick.

i can agree w that statement to an extent martin - he def has improved a little bit - he isnt trying to fight his teammates in the shower or trying slam dunk competition type dunks during games anymore like he did during that cleveland game. the fact remains that there is something within him that causes him to play against the system. its all good w some if he scores 30 pts in the game, but what about all those times when he should have passed rather than gone for his or mental lapses lead to turnovers? i just dont think he will be consistent in that regard. at least we dont hear about him out at the clubs each wknd.

HEY! Stop bashing Nate just to be bashing him. Do you even realize how good he is?

Nate is right up there in scoring and assists with Magette, J. Terry and Ginobili. If you put him on any good team as their sixth man he would be considered a net positive to that team. Don't try to tell me that he's any less of a player cuz we as a team don't have a ton of wins. He's a sixth man and his role is to be a spark off the bench which he does as well as all the other Sixth man of the year candidates.

STOP THE MADNESS!!! He's still learning how to win, but can we at least give him credit for the player he is at this point? I'm so sick and tired of guys not giving our own players some credit. I mean late game decisions? He's not our starting PG! He's our sixth man and that really is the perfect role for him. When he's hot then we can leave him in at the end of games, but overall, it's not his role to be the top Guard on the team. We need to actually GET a lead guard to lead us to wins in the 4th qtr. but don't hold that against Nate.

nowhere in any of the above posts have i bashed nate, i actually said to martin i believe he has improved a bit (see highlighted text directly above) so dont understand your need to scream HEY! at me. nor is there any madness in what i am saying, just stating facts.

come to think of it, i asked you some simple questions about 3 or 4 posts above as a way of asking for clarification of some statements you made about your feelings for nate and you never responded. should i scream at you for ignoring me?

if you care to respond great, if not no problem. i was just curious is all.

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by martin:

Posted by jimimou:

Posted by nixluva:

This is not about MDA! He is clearly seen ripping his players when they do stupid things and that goes for defensive mistakes and stupid showboating. This idea that he gives way to teams that are undisciplined or out of control is garbage, cuz his PHX teams were very professional. This team doesn't have many bad actors, just Nate and AL, so let's not paint with a broad brush.

Nate will settle down and I don't think there's any real comparison with Steph. I think Steph is a different case altogether. Nate is a high strung guy that thrives off of that natural tendency and he just needs to control it. Steph has always been under control on the court, he's just selfish. That's two different things. Nate is more like Starks. People don't remember it, but Starks did eventually mellow out. I feel Nate will do the same. Don't underestimate the effect that overactive hormones can have on adults. He strikes me as a typical hyperactive.

I would keep him, cuz his net effect is positive IMO. The few instances that he get's out of control aren't frequent enough for me to overlook his positive effect when he enters every game. He's a perfect 6th man and I would like to keep him. As much as I like Lee, he's actually easier to replace than Nate IMO. Nate can takeover a game and even win games for you. Lee is the kind of guy that helps in the middle of games, but can't help much in crunchtime. Lee is good, just not THAT good. So i'd rather look to replace Lee with a stud at PF that is more dominant and keep Nate, who is one of the best 6th men in the league even at this stage.

what makes you say that he will settle down with so much confidence? also, how has his net effect been positive? can you ellaborate using facts instead of "feelings"?

Since Nate has gotten here I think he HAS improved each year. The little dude does need a strong leadership voice around him on the court though.

Antics are WAAAAYYYY down but are still there. At a reasonable price, I keep him. Or trade him for a first round pick.

i can agree w that statement to an extent martin - he def has improved a little bit - he isnt trying to fight his teammates in the shower or trying slam dunk competition type dunks during games anymore like he did during that cleveland game. the fact remains that there is something within him that causes him to play against the system. its all good w some if he scores 30 pts in the game, but what about all those times when he should have passed rather than gone for his or mental lapses lead to turnovers? i just dont think he will be consistent in that regard. at least we dont hear about him out at the clubs each wknd.

HEY! Stop bashing Nate just to be bashing him. Do you even realize how good he is?

Nate is right up there in scoring and assists with Magette, J. Terry and Ginobili. If you put him on any good team as their sixth man he would be considered a net positive to that team. Don't try to tell me that he's any less of a player cuz we as a team don't have a ton of wins. He's a sixth man and his role is to be a spark off the bench which he does as well as all the other Sixth man of the year candidates.

STOP THE MADNESS!!! He's still learning how to win, but can we at least give him credit for the player he is at this point? I'm so sick and tired of guys not giving our own players some credit. I mean late game decisions? He's not our starting PG! He's our sixth man and that really is the perfect role for him. When he's hot then we can leave him in at the end of games, but overall, it's not his role to be the top Guard on the team. We need to actually GET a lead guard to lead us to wins in the 4th qtr. but don't hold that against Nate.

nowhere in any of the above posts have i bashed nate, i actually said to martin i believe he has improved a bit (see highlighted text directly above) so dont understand your need to scream HEY! at me. nor is there any madness in what i am saying, just stating facts.

come to think of it, i asked you some simple questions about 3 or 4 posts above as a way of asking for clarification of some statements you made about your feelings for nate and you never responded. should i scream at you for ignoring me?

if you care to respond great, if not no problem. i was just curious is all.

jimi, stop frontin'.... ur a hatter & that's all there is to it... ur not allowed to call out the flaws in our players... don't u know this?