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martin
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3/27/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by PresIke:

uhhh....can we even trade lee or nate before/during/right after the draft since they will be free-agents?

i believe any such deals would have to take place after the draft, (july 1st?) during the free-agent period, with a sign-and-trade.

other players can be moved, but not upcoming free-agents, right?

[Edited by - PresIke on 03-27-2009 1:28 PM]

damn u and your technicalities.
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3/27/2009  1:50 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Yes I do think we should get a second first round pick the way Charlotte last year did in the 18-25 range and take him for the long term. I think it would be a great long term move for a team void of any size.
I would like to start stockpiling a couple of guys who have size who I believe will have a future in this league.

would you give up Nate and/or Lee to get the pick for Mullens? I am thinking I may risk it.

I have to wonder if our situation warrants using assets to make this a 2-3 player draft if possible. We need salary restricted players and its obvious that we are not going anywhere until atleast 2010.

If I could pick up another high pick where I could swipe Evans either Derozan or Jordan Hill and Mullens using our pick Nate and Lee I would do it.
I am fine with that. If they believe in a play you go with it. In fact I am changing my tune. Dump anything and everything on this roster that doesn have a minimum contract or is in their rookie deal. Package whoever you need to package to dump Curry and JJ. Then in 2010 offer Lebron and Wade max contracts and tell them they can hire the coach and GM, or BE the coach and GM. Either way the Garden is filled for next 10 years so management is happy. What fun!

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3/27/2009  1:51 PM
glad to be of disservice.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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3/27/2009  2:32 PM
Posted by PresIke:

glad to be of disservice.

you can do it, they just have to be announced later
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3/27/2009  3:09 PM
Hi guys,

I have been readin these boards for awhile and this is def the best one out there. I'm really excited about the draft and hope we can somehow get in position to draft Derozan. I think he's got too much potential to pass up, and I agree Mullens would be a great pick if we can get a second pick in the first round.

PresIke mentioned this recently and the thing I wanted to mention is I dont think we would be able to trade Lee and/or Nate before or during the draft considering they will be restricted free agents. Since they dont have a contract for next season, they can not be traded. I believe this is the case. Anybody else know this rule for sure?
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3/27/2009  3:21 PM
Posted by ahouston20:

Hi guys,

I have been readin these boards for awhile and this is def the best one out there. I'm really excited about the draft and hope we can somehow get in position to draft Derozan. I think he's got too much potential to pass up, and I agree Mullens would be a great pick if we can get a second pick in the first round.

PresIke mentioned this recently and the thing I wanted to mention is I dont think we would be able to trade Lee and/or Nate before or during the draft considering they will be restricted free agents. Since they dont have a contract for next season, they can not be traded. I believe this is the case. Anybody else know this rule for sure?

Players like Rashard Lewis have been in sign and trade deals that were announced after the draft.

What would keep you from including drafted players in that deal?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/27/2009  3:27 PM
Its might take a higher pick than a flyer at 21 to get this guy. Depending on what Aldrich does--Mullens *likely* will be picked 3rd out of the three but this draft is porous and there are not many 7-1 275 pound athletic C roaming the Earth. It might take giving up nate or lee for a pick around 13-17

I think there will be immediate upside surprise with him in SL--I think he will show more potential in SL where they play is wide open than college. This is a 7-1 275 pound finisher and high % player. 2-3 years of transitional work ahead of him but we are not winning any titles soon.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-27-2009 3:28 PM]
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3/27/2009  3:43 PM
third meaning Hill/Monroe/Mullens?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/27/2009  3:44 PM
Regarding Rashard Lewis,

I believe he was not a restricted free agent when he got traded to Orlando. His second contract with the sonics had expired at the time and then was traded to orlando in the S&T
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3/27/2009  3:46 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

third meaning Hill/Monroe/Mullens?

Hill and Monroe are Pf's. I think it would go Thabeet Aldich Mullens in terms of C being chosen.
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3/27/2009  4:15 PM
What would keep you from including drafted players in that deal?

Once drafted players sign their rookie contracts, they can't be traded till Dec 15th. I just dont know if there is a deadline for rookies to sign their contract before the start of free agency.
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3/27/2009  4:56 PM
Rookies in 2008 could be traded after 8/14 - see Artest for Greene
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/27/2009  5:11 PM
Oh yea, thats true. My fault. Don't know why I thought you couldn't trade rookies after the draft. Here's to hoping Walsh can add a couple of prospects in the draft and/or offseason.
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3/27/2009  5:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Yes I do think we should get a second first round pick the way Charlotte last year did in the 18-25 range and take him for the long term. I think it would be a great long term move for a team void of any size.
I would like to start stockpiling a couple of guys who have size who I believe will have a future in this league.

would you give up Nate and/or Lee to get the pick for Mullens? I am thinking I may risk it.

I have to wonder if our situation warrants using assets to make this a 2-3 player draft if possible. We need salary restricted players and its obvious that we are not going anywhere until atleast 2010.

If I could pick up another high pick where I could swipe Evans either Derozan or Jordan Hill and Mullens using our pick Nate and Lee I would do it.

u shoulda just agreed w/me when i suggested we do just that a couple months ago then

[Edited by - TMS on 03-27-2009 2:45 PM]
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3/27/2009  6:42 PM
Posted by ahouston20:

Oh yea, thats true. My fault. Don't know why I thought you couldn't trade rookies after the draft. Here's to hoping Walsh can add a couple of prospects in the draft and/or offseason.

You could be right, but I sure as hell hope not.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/27/2009  10:33 PM
The Knicks need to trade down and nab extra picks I want Mullens or Aldrich then AJ price or Mills late in the first round. Watch Danny green a high skilled player with size.
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4/1/2009  8:09 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/756/20090327/draft_report_bj_mullens_of_ohio_state/

B.J. Mullens is very agile for his size and he almost moves like an elongated 6’7” wing. This isn’t saying he is super-athletic or a great leaper, it speaks more to the fluidity of his movement. But he does have impressive athleticism considering his size and strength considering his age; even though he isn’t quite as athletic as he thinks he is, suggested by some of the improbably moves he attempts to make around the bucket.

The most logical frame of reference for Mullens is to compare him to Kosta Koufos. They are similarly skilled following their respective freshman seasons at Ohio State, but while Mullens is superior physically, Koufos was a more polished offensive product.

On that note, Mullens will likely test out impressively in the physical drills.

Mullens moves well in pick and roll situations, showing an ability to catch the ball and finish in traffic and also improvise in those situations. He also does a good job giving a good shot hand in the post.

With the kind of reps he will get as an NBA player, he will have a very nice right-handed jump hook that will be unguardable by most bigs. He elevates nicely and extends high with his release hand.

Mullens has a natural vision as a passer out of the post, though he sometimes doesn’t sense a sagging help defender quickly enough yet.

As a shooter, Mullens has a long ways to go in becoming consistent, but his form is very promising and he gets a lot of his lower body and lift into it, which is rare for a player of his size.

He has a soft touch around the bucket and will effectively use the glass. Mullens also is a strong finisher, with good elevation on alley-oops and put back slams.

He can be slippery into space an offensive rebounder and genuinely enjoys this aspect of the game and clearly sees it as an additional opportunity to score.

His hands are not horrible, but he is much better on the catch when he gets to go into the air for it and use his lift than the passes thrown from his neck to waist.

On the defensive end of the foor, Mullens is a frustrating case of not yet utilizing his length and athleticism. He is frequently out of position and really should be a more active shotblocker. He would be a more attractive prospect with even marginally better ability on defense, but his problems are fairly easily correctable. Mullens will grow on this end of the floor naturally with more experience.

Mullens has plenty of confidence, skill and athleticism to become a 25-minute per night center someday in the NBA. The game moves too quickly for him at this point and he will spend the first season and a half to two seasons at the end of the bench and in the D-League and will need to go to a team with patience and commitment to the development of their big men.
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