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sebstar
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3/19/2009  3:36 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Always have to rely on isles to bring the negativity. When are you gonna change dude? I guarantee if there was a "Gallinari pain, injury-free" headline you wouldn't even care to post it and only comment in the topic with some sarcastic reply. Whatever man. It gets told after a while.

you're right, of course. But the man has a point on this one.
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3/19/2009  3:40 PM
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Posted by sebstar:
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when I said "you" I was talking about Walsh.

And what is your line of reasoning as to why we drafted a guy with the number 6 pick with a bad back, when there was a wealth of talent immediately before, and certainly after our selection.

My guess is they thought he was the best player on the board. Why did Dumars draft Darko over Melo, Wade, Bosh? Why did the Wizards draft Kwame Brown over Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson and Pau Gasol? This **** happens dude.

Dumars was hoodwinked by the Euro craze earlier in the decade. Same deal, almost. His pick was definitely more sociological and psychological than basketball minded. His mistake cost them championships.

Yeah, every GM makes mistakes. Drafting is not an exact science, for sure. But once it was discovered that Gallo had back issues at 19 years of age, he should have been taken off the board considering the talent that was behind him. Point blank. Why wasnt he?

I have no idea. I seriously and I say SERIOUSLY doubt that Donnie Walsh would come here and let his first draft selection be an injury-riddled international player with a known back-issue that was this bad. My guess is that he got some bad information from some doctors.

All I'm saying is I doubt he thought the back issue was that bad, because if he did I doubt he would still draft him. What is the benefit of drafting him knowing he's hurt? Ok, maybe you get a bit more of a season tickets boom for the upcoming year, BUT if his back injury was known to be as bad it is, then theres a real chance he may never play in the league and how does that help your franchise sell tickets to these Euros? It doesn't, so selecting him makes no sense.

First Walsh admitted that he never saw the kid play live and now we know that he didn't do his due diligence before drafting him.
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3/19/2009  3:42 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by GKFv2:

Always have to rely on isles to bring the negativity. When are you gonna change dude? I guarantee if there was a "Gallinari pain, injury-free" headline you wouldn't even care to post it and only comment in the topic with some sarcastic reply. Whatever man. It gets told after a while.

you're right, of course. But the man has a point on this one.

That wasn't my point though.
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3/19/2009  3:43 PM
Did anyone else listen to the audio and hear Kiki say they knew he had a bad back? I didn't hear him say that.
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3/19/2009  3:44 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Always have to rely on isles to bring the negativity. When are you gonna change dude? I guarantee if there was a "Gallinari pain, injury-free" headline you wouldn't even care to post it and only comment in the topic with some sarcastic reply. Whatever man. It gets told after a while.

Sure, kill the messenger. I'm the reason why the Knicks selected a player with preexisting back problems and is now in Italy getting more opinions regarding surgery that could damage his career before it barely began.

And yes, it all gets told after awhile because you can't hide information like this forever.
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3/19/2009  3:45 PM
Wait....I listened again....I think he did say so.
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3/19/2009  3:48 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Did anyone else listen to the audio and hear Kiki say they knew he had a bad back? I didn't hear him say that.

Benigno: Did the Nets have interest in Gallinari and if you did, were you aware that he had this problem with his back?

Vandeweghe: The answer is very simple, yes and yes.
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3/19/2009  3:51 PM
bad back is such a major red flag too. Wow.
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3/19/2009  3:57 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Wait....I listened again....I think he did say so.
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This story is big!! Who knew what? when? Where?? How? If we want to have a championship team we can't play games with picking players. We need the best. That is why I have little faith in us picking in the draft. We have a very serious problem and It needs to be fixed fast. I want to know did Mike D and Walsh know of Gallo's back problem before they drafted him.

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3/19/2009  3:59 PM
Maybe the Knicks should have talked to a back specialist before making their draft choice or before letting him come back before he was 100% like they said they were going to do:
Dr. Edward Benzel, chairman of the Neurological Surgery and Spine at the prestigious Cleveland Clinic, told The Post yesterday he would recommend surgery only in the most severe cases of leg pain, especially for a 20-year-old. Dr. Benzel has not seen Gallinari's X-rays and was speaking generally.

"You sure don't want to operate on young people, and he's barely out of his teenage years," Dr. Benzel said. "Kids that age are notorious to have recurring problems when they have surgery that young, more likely he'll have grief down the road with chronic problems."

According to Dr. Benzel, a bulging disk causes leg pain because a disk or its fluid presses on a nerve. A popular procedure is called a diskectomy that removes part of the disk.

Gallinari, after shutting it down in November, visited three back specialists who recommended rest and core back exercises over surgery. He returned in January but not without still pain radiating down his leg. After a horrible, four-game road trip concluded last weekend, Gallinari visited another back surgeon Monday. He is expected back from Italy Monday.

Dr. Benzel warns not to rush into anything invasive.

"I'm a conversative surgeon," he said. "In surgery, you can walk down a pathway and never return. The reason for that is due to scar tissue, a nerve could get irritated or stretched during surgery. Twenty percent will return to the operating room and have recurring problems and wonder why they did it."

Dr. Benzel would only recommend surgery if very severe leg pain travels all the way to the toe. That Gallinari was playing with the pain means it may not be that severe, said Dr. Benzel, who noted that resting him till mid-summer may be the wiser course.

If pain still exists in mid-summer, then surgery would be a stronger consideration, he said.
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3/19/2009  4:04 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Did anyone else listen to the audio and hear Kiki say they knew he had a bad back? I didn't hear him say that.

wfan: so how would you classify gallinari's back problem?

kiki: that sh t be broke.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-19-2009 4:04 PM]
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3/19/2009  4:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Andrew:

Did anyone else listen to the audio and hear Kiki say they knew he had a bad back? I didn't hear him say that.

wfan: so how would you classify gallinari's back problem?

kiki: that sh t be broke.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-19-2009 4:04 PM]

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3/19/2009  4:17 PM
Someone should have asked Kiki if he thinks Gallo will have an A) better then, B) equal to or C) worse career than Skita.

That would get it rolling.
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3/19/2009  4:32 PM
Posted by martin:

Someone should have asked Kiki if he thinks Gallo will have an A) better then, B) equal to or C) worse career than Skita.

That would get it rolling.

yeah, definitely one of the worst picks in sports history. He had no business being in the league let alone being drafted #5.

But that's [justin timberlake] DEAD and GONE[/justin timberlake] now. We got our own Skita to worry about now. Kiki is going to laugh at us like the rest of them. He dont care.
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3/19/2009  4:39 PM
The Nets are said to be interested in drafting 19-year-old Italian small forward Danilo Gallinari. The Knicks are believed to be high on him, too, and since they draft sixth, Gallinari may not be available when the Nets' turn comes up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/2008/06/24/2008-06-24_rod_thorn_says_nets_pick_in_draft_is_to_.html
"The Knicks are going to take Danilo Gallinari," Nets president Rod Thorn said last night, referring to the Italian forward who had been at the top of his wish list all month. "And the others have yet to make up their minds. Which means that we still have three or four different guys who can drop to us."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/content_to_see_who_falls_their.html
The deadline for pulling out of the draft has passed, Gallinari is sticking around, and that may serve as ample confirmation that the agent is right.

"I think Jersey has given him a guarantee," the agent said. "Though it's more like, 'If you're still around at 10, we'll take you.' Just to keep him in it, a promise that they're not going to pass on him."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/gallinari_guarantee.html
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3/19/2009  4:43 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The Nets are said to be interested in drafting 19-year-old Italian small forward Danilo Gallinari. The Knicks are believed to be high on him, too, and since they draft sixth, Gallinari may not be available when the Nets' turn comes up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/2008/06/24/2008-06-24_rod_thorn_says_nets_pick_in_draft_is_to_.html
"The Knicks are going to take Danilo Gallinari," Nets president Rod Thorn said last night, referring to the Italian forward who had been at the top of his wish list all month. "And the others have yet to make up their minds. Which means that we still have three or four different guys who can drop to us."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/content_to_see_who_falls_their.html
The deadline for pulling out of the draft has passed, Gallinari is sticking around, and that may serve as ample confirmation that the agent is right.

"I think Jersey has given him a guarantee," the agent said. "Though it's more like, 'If you're still around at 10, we'll take you.' Just to keep him in it, a promise that they're not going to pass on him."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/gallinari_guarantee.html

I was thinking the same thing..
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3/19/2009  4:45 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The Nets are said to be interested in drafting 19-year-old Italian small forward Danilo Gallinari. The Knicks are believed to be high on him, too, and since they draft sixth, Gallinari may not be available when the Nets' turn comes up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/2008/06/24/2008-06-24_rod_thorn_says_nets_pick_in_draft_is_to_.html
"The Knicks are going to take Danilo Gallinari," Nets president Rod Thorn said last night, referring to the Italian forward who had been at the top of his wish list all month. "And the others have yet to make up their minds. Which means that we still have three or four different guys who can drop to us."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/content_to_see_who_falls_their.html
The deadline for pulling out of the draft has passed, Gallinari is sticking around, and that may serve as ample confirmation that the agent is right.

"I think Jersey has given him a guarantee," the agent said. "Though it's more like, 'If you're still around at 10, we'll take you.' Just to keep him in it, a promise that they're not going to pass on him."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/gallinari_guarantee.html

And? Was that to dispute what Vandeweghe is saying now? Because I really don't see it anywhere.

The part you bolded was the reporter talking, not Thorn. Big difference.

[Edited by - islesfan on 19-03-2009 9:46 PM]
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3/19/2009  5:11 PM
I could see picking Gallo with no injury issues. I would have taken Mayo, Bayless, or Gordon over Gallo and I would have even considered Lopez over Gallo, but Gallo does have talent and if his back was not f'd up, he probably would look like a solid pick. BUT if we knew that Gallo had a chronic back issue and picked him anyway, Walsh needs to be fired right now. That is just plain stupid. You never draft someone with a history of back injuries. In fact, you would be better off taking someone who tore they ACL before taking someone with a back injury. I cannot believe the incompetence of the Knicks. Walsh probably had our crack medical staff clear Gallo prior to the draft and based his decision on their assessment. That was mistake number one. He should have let IT run the draft, it was the only thing IT was good at.
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3/19/2009  5:26 PM
yeah yeah yeah.

drama drama drama.

when things don't work out just the way you want them to there's always gotta be a villain right?

well sometimes it's just about how the cookie crumbles isn’t it? ask greg oden. and portland fans

kwame brown just destroys tyson chandler in workouts and earns the wizards' trust in him.

okafor or howard was a pretty big toss-up going in.

danny granger drops like a rock cuz everyone's scared stiff of his injuries but gerald green is snatched up because he's a phenom.

how's joe alexander doing? and why did so many people pass on chris d-r and mario chalmers?

it'd be fun if someone dug up last year's predraft threads. people were KILLING eric gordon as a short chucking 2-guard that we didn’t need. brook lopez was non-athletic, methodical, non-impact.

but we're about to go national enquirer here now over an injury to a player and a river’s gonna be cried about how things turned out. better yet a full-scale conspiracy investigation is gonna be launched.

all right. carry on.
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3/19/2009  5:43 PM
I watch the draft every year and the only picks I remember being booed were Balkman and Gallo. In both of those cases the fans were right to boo. This was a WTF pick before this ever came out. The talent that was passed up by a 23 win team to take another unkown small forward was crazy. Now that this has come out I do not know what to think. Walsh is the only one who has taken any ownership of the pick but also said that he had not seen Gallo play live and had only seen limited film on him. I would love to know who the driving force was that got the Knicks as an organization to give up the chance to draft a franchise player for a euro with a bad back.
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