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How Much Did Politics Play in us drafting Gallo ?? Could We Have Done Better??
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Papabear
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3/19/2009  3:16 PM

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it's a very close look to the "my back hurts" expression. Hard to tell.
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Papabear Says
Martin you can say what you want but Gallo was not the best player on the board when we made our pick. We keep on talking about getting in the lottery. For what? Weve been making bad choices for years and it may not get any better.
We didn't pick the best man in the draft that could have helped us bad back or not and I like Gallo.


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How can you say that when you saw nada of Gallo before the draft.

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Papabear Says
Martin if you ask me nobody must have seen him because if they did they would have seen other players on the board on draft night who was better like Randolph, Westbrooks, The center for the Nets who smashed D Lee last night. Like I said I like Gallo but we need to make decissions bassed on scouting, and the need for our team. We didn't do that on the Gallo pick.

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3/19/2009  6:55 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by PresIke:
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I refuse to believe he was scouted for any other reason than the relationship with Mike D. This is not a player that Walsh goes out and finds himself. It's a player someone whispers in his ear. Mike D did the whispering. Knicks scouted, saw he has some good skills, and decided to gamble. If he stunk we would not have drafted him but we also would not have drafted him if Mike D were not the Knicks coach.

So, yeah, nepotism is involved in the pick.

If it bombs though can you really place an injury-bust on anyone's head? We're not talking Weiss or Frye here as Gallo obviously has skills.

how is saying you "refuse" to see it any other way a balanced and objective way of viewing what took place?

gallo was pretty high on almost every draft board out there, as a mid-late lotto pick.

how does that go with the only reason we drafted him was because of his relationship?

if i was friends with mike d how come he didn't draft me?

because i'm also not considered an nba lotto pick, like gallo was.

mike d's relationship may have played a role, but it's silly to say that's the primary reason we drafted him.

the knicks have stated that they were considering gordon very strongly and had a hard time picking, but felt gallo had more potential and filled other needs versus adding another chucking (albiet talented, and with star potential) undersized 2 guard.

[Edited by - PresIke on 03-19-2009 11:39 AM]

What is to be objective about? It's clear that Mike D'Antoni's friendship with Gallo's father played a big role in taking a look at the kid. When they saw he had skills they took a gamble on him. There is no other story here. An Isiah-led Knicks don't select or even think about Danilo and neither does anyone in the top 14 selections of the draft. Not a chance. Perhaps ESPN would project Danilo as going 15th to the Suns if Mike D hadn't left Phoenix and maybe the Suns do select him if Mike and Kerr were buddy buddy at that point. Otherwise this kid doesn't get looked at until later in the draft and even then I question by whom? Never heard of him until Mike D was announced as our future coach.

If you think otherwise then that's your choice but you'd just be attempting to ignore the obvious that nepotism was involved in the selection. No other GM with the 6th pick selects Gallo. No one. No matter what franchise they work for. Unless Mike D was their coach and he had the GM's ear.

Regardless I'm not going to cry over spilt milk, and definitely not partake in the new thread of disaster Isles started, nor will I say OMG why didn't we select LOPEZ instead! It's not exactly constructive and those convo's have already run their course. It's a shame the kid is in such bad shape but it's nothing I can control so it's time to just move on and hope for the best with that one.

Yet I am in firm belief that the reason Gallo was even considered as a draft option was because of Mike D. No Mike? No Gallo. Whether or not Gallo's skill set legitimized the risking the selection is irrelevant to the OP's question.

Right on money cosmic.
And will add more - Mike used Galo to check how much control he will have in NY.
And I will tell you more - Walsh was aware about it and decided to sacrifice the pick to get Mike.
If Galo pick will not work out as per getting good player it worked up as getting a good coach for sure.
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3/19/2009  7:30 PM
All that nepotism stuff is cool and everything, but once it was discovered his back was a problem, they should have gone to plan B. Thats what has everybody up in arms.

You want to sucker the league with a slick pick. Ok then, I'm with you...but it seemed like they made this pick to the detriment of our well being.
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3/19/2009  7:56 PM
Posted by sebstar:

All that nepotism stuff is cool and everything, but once it was discovered his back was a problem, they should have gone to plan B. Thats what has everybody up in arms.

You want to sucker the league with a slick pick. Ok then, I'm with you...but it seemed like they made this pick to the detriment of our well being.

seb. you're taking the bait.

go back and peruse all the predraft reports, accounts and hearsay regarding gallo. show us where it's mentioned that he has a bad back. watch again the videos of his performances prior to, and including, when he was hit by traylor. note the difference in the way the guy’s body functioned BEFORE THE DRAFT and AFTER THE DRAFT.
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3/19/2009  8:00 PM
but sebstar, what do we actually know about his "back problem" before he got hurt?

it may have been VERY minor, and most doctors may have told them it is unlikely to be a problem.

are any of us medical "experts?"

i find it interesting how suddenly we all think because we see a few players go bad with bad backs lose their career, that suddenly that means it is a forgone conclusion that all "back problems" = must avoid drafting player.

i'm curious if we know of players that may have had similar "back problems" that gallo had and have played their entire career without suffering what he has?

don't some of us think the knicks might have checked on that to use the #6 pick in the draft and spend millions of dollars on?

this nepotism argument is beyond silly as the primary reason, and it continues to disappoint me that so many here keep taking this as bait for why we drafted him, given the importance of drafting a good player for the team, the money spent, and the scrutiny they would face if they expected him to be a high risk for injury given the other players that were still available.

i think if we were any higher we would have made the deal with memphis for mayo and this entire argument would be non-existent.

we got pushed down to 6 because of the bulls and there's nothing we can do about it...and we still don't even know what's gonna happen, but a lot of us are claiming "bust" without even knowing the outcome just yet.
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3/20/2009  3:14 AM
I think the difficulty in deciding what research the Knicks did on Gallo is the fact that the only one who will take ownership for the pick is Walsh. Walsh has said that he never saw Gallo play live and only saw some film on him. Mike D' said he had to be convinced of the pick. This was not a Mike D' pick. I am not sure who recommended/convinced Walsh of the pick. The fact that previous back troubles are now being linked to Gallo minimally makes the Knicks research appear flawed. The Knicks left some incredibly talented players on the draft board when they took Gallo. They didn't need another small forward, or a project. They didn't draft the best available player. I am not sure what their draft strategy was and I am not sure who convinced Walsh that Gallo was the guy.
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3/20/2009  7:55 AM
We can blame Dolan! He should have pushed Isiah out much earlier and forced Walsh to come sooner.

The sense I remember was Walsh & MDA were pretty much ill prepared for the draft.

All that, and maybe we should have let Isiah make the pick, then sack him & bring Walsh in.

For as important as they stated the pick was, they sure were unprepared, or if you like, under prepared.
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3/20/2009  8:21 AM
How could Walsh be ill-prepared for the draft? His Pacers were right in the lottery race as well. Hey if you listen to Larry Bird, Walsh has been out of basketball operations loop since Bird came back to the Pacer organization. So maybe he was really ill-prepared but that was his fault. He was semi-retired with the Pacers at the end and was considering retirement about a year and half ago.

From my understanding Kevin Wilson was pushing the Gallinari pick to Isiah who wanted Mayo, Gordon or Randolph. That's the reason why Walsh sent Isiah over there to scout Gallinari personally. Also MDA is always ill-prepared for drafts. No surprise there. Suns have left some serious talent on the board or gave up their picks with some serious talent on the board during his tenture.

The sad thing is that you have two guys in the war room who often defer to others with more insight concerning the draft. Walsh left drafting and scouting up to his head coaches Brown and Isiah. Bird was the exception because Bird didn't really want to get that involve in the process until he returned to the front office.
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3/20/2009  8:39 AM
Posted by franco12:

We can blame Dolan! He should have pushed Isiah out much earlier and forced Walsh to come sooner.

The sense I remember was Walsh & MDA were pretty much ill prepared for the draft.

All that, and maybe we should have let Isiah make the pick, then sack him & bring Walsh in.

For as important as they stated the pick was, they sure were unprepared, or if you like, under prepared.
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We all know what Isiah is about. One thing I assure you of if Isiah had to make that choice Gallo would not be on this team. I have very little faith in our 1st round picks. Zeke was better finding talen in the later rounds.
I'm begining to loose faith in Nate and D Lee even though I want them back. I can remember when I played basketball in high school or in the playgrounds there were players that if you gave the ball to him you could forget about him giving the ball back. If he had 5 guys on him he was keeping the ball. Nate, Harrington,and Hughes reminds me of that player. To me the run and gun if not exicuted properly is nothing but a bunch of uncontroled guys running down the court hoisting up shots and don't know the meaning of defense.



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3/20/2009  9:34 AM
Does anyone actually know what % of GMs see the players their teams take live? Is a GM always able to see every player they may or may not pick? And would you rather see a player live in a game or two or see him play on tape (full games) many times? Can you make a good evaluation in both cases, or do you HAVE to see him play live? And remember, you are going to have a number of scouts seeing the players live, even if you are not able to see him.

Just wondering. I really don't know if there is a correct answer to this question.
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How Much Did Politics Play in us drafting Gallo ?? Could We Have Done Better??

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