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3/16/2009  8:45 AM
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Also I'm not sure how impressive leading the Big 10 in FG% is when you only take 6 shots per game. He wouldn't even qualify on the national scale.

If Mullens didnt play 1 minute at OS he still wouldve been a very high pick. I think he should stay in school but from everything I have read--it doesnt seem like he is going to.
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3/16/2009  10:06 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by VDesai:

Also I'm not sure how impressive leading the Big 10 in FG% is when you only take 6 shots per game. He wouldn't even qualify on the national scale.

If Mullens didnt play 1 minute at OS he still wouldve been a very high pick. I think he should stay in school but from everything I have read--it doesnt seem like he is going to.
which is the kind of thing that prompted Stern to push for a 20 year old age limit. Is this guy more of a physical speciman than Sar Sene or John Petro? Athletic 7 footers are uncommon. Athletic 7 footers that can play basketball are rare. We are shooting for the latter.

Whether or not Mullens becomes a player is almost irrelevent. What matters is that if he is going to be its not for 3-4 years from now
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3/16/2009  10:52 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by VDesai:

Also I'm not sure how impressive leading the Big 10 in FG% is when you only take 6 shots per game. He wouldn't even qualify on the national scale.

If Mullens didnt play 1 minute at OS he still wouldve been a very high pick. I think he should stay in school but from everything I have read--it doesnt seem like he is going to.

If his college coach isn't ready to play him more than 20 mins per game on the NCAA level- my guess is that NBA evaluators would make that same judgement and not place a premium (i.e. top 10) pick on him. They have done that before with several top H.S. talents- including big men.

[Edited by - vdesai on 03-16-2009 10:52 AM]
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3/16/2009  11:04 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by VDesai:

Also I'm not sure how impressive leading the Big 10 in FG% is when you only take 6 shots per game. He wouldn't even qualify on the national scale.

If Mullens didnt play 1 minute at OS he still wouldve been a very high pick. I think he should stay in school but from everything I have read--it doesnt seem like he is going to.
which is the kind of thing that prompted Stern to push for a 20 year old age limit. Is this guy more of a physical speciman than Sar Sene or John Petro? Athletic 7 footers are uncommon. Athletic 7 footers that can play basketball are rare. We are shooting for the latter.

Whether or not Mullens becomes a player is almost irrelevent. What matters is that if he is going to be its not for 3-4 years from now

fishmike--you are the same guy who compared Lopez to Channing Frye and that isnt farther from the truth. I agree that Mullens is going to have development time. I do think that if he comes back to school and trains hard he will be a top 5 pick and average close to 20 points a game next year. You happened to catch him on the worst game he had in two months. All in all he has been impressive and I would say misused as well. I do hope he stays in school--that would be his best route.
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3/16/2009  11:28 AM
That is fine- but the argument here is that if he came out this year, there is a very high likelihood that he won't ever get the development time or get to that point in his development where he will be useful player on his rookie contract. And therefore it would be extremely questionable to use a premium pick on such a player.

I would agree that he has upside if he continues to have the opportunity to develop on the NCAA level.
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3/16/2009  12:02 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by VDesai:

Mullens isnt that good

He looks like he has some potential but he REALLY needs to stay in school, not for just one year but I think 2.

Most of these kids need to stay in school for 3 years. That way you can build up strength maturity and your skill package. That being said this player in due time IF he stays in school[and hopefully they will convince him to do so] is going to be a top 3 or 1 pick when he gets stronger. I don't see him as a great defensive player but at his size he should be able to be a good defensive player with effort. Where this kid will be good is when he puts on 20-25 pounds of muscle gets his foot work down and he will just power over players consistently for 20-25 points a night. If I was him i would stay if I could get a PROMISE from the coach that I was going to be a focus next year as long as I put the work in. Again this is a player who was Big ten 6th man of the year and led the league in FG% as a freshmen. He was the number 1 pick in Rivals 100 last years and he is just development time away from being a player. When he gets stronger and is able to get deep strong post position--he is going to make the 6-8 C's in the league look powerless. Now this is if he puts in the work and that is a key component--if you want to be a great player you have to be a hard worker off the court. Now if the kid comes out? A team has to weight the pros and cons--you are getting a unique physical specimen at a legit 7-1. Are you willing to wait on him--that's the key. If you cant wait on the player he's not for you.

I agree with you Briggs. I think in time Mullens is going to end up being a pretty good player, but thats AS LONG as he stays in school. As you said and I agree with fully, most kids need to stay in school for 3 years and Mullens DEFINITELY is no different. Mullens has a ton of offensive talent and athleticism and a guy that big with that kind of athleticism you just can't teach. I just hope this kid stays in school and builds on his solid fundamentals.
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3/16/2009  12:08 PM
Another guy that played in that game that will be a first round pick is Jajuan Johnson he is improving every year and is a great athlete
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3/16/2009  12:52 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by VDesai:

Also I'm not sure how impressive leading the Big 10 in FG% is when you only take 6 shots per game. He wouldn't even qualify on the national scale.

If Mullens didnt play 1 minute at OS he still wouldve been a very high pick. I think he should stay in school but from everything I have read--it doesnt seem like he is going to.
which is the kind of thing that prompted Stern to push for a 20 year old age limit. Is this guy more of a physical speciman than Sar Sene or John Petro? Athletic 7 footers are uncommon. Athletic 7 footers that can play basketball are rare. We are shooting for the latter.

Whether or not Mullens becomes a player is almost irrelevent. What matters is that if he is going to be its not for 3-4 years from now

fishmike--you are the same guy who compared Lopez to Channing Frye and that isnt farther from the truth. I agree that Mullens is going to have development time. I do think that if he comes back to school and trains hard he will be a top 5 pick and average close to 20 points a game next year. You happened to catch him on the worst game he had in two months. All in all he has been impressive and I would say misused as well. I do hope he stays in school--that would be his best route.
That is NOT true at all. I never said Frye and and Lopez were the same kind of player. I did say that the Knicks had a ton of reasons to pass on him. He's a pac 10 bigman, who was physically superior to most of his competition, but a below average rebounder and a very poor shooting average (45%?). You look at other Pac 10 big men that were very good college players and most tank at this level (Frye, Borchard, etc). The comparison was in a large body of work Lopez didnt do anything Channing Frye didnt do. The comparison was relative.

Briggs, spare me the "your the same guy" mantra. An all-Briggs team could just as easily be Marcus Williams, Abur Rahim, Michael Redd, Sweetney, Chris Kaman and Bogut just as easily as it would be an Amare, Bynum, Anthony Randolph, Thabeet, bla bla bla.

Dont go there.

We have been posting together between here and MSG (some guy named RipHamilton once posted "Ive been traded") for probably close to 10 years. I have a good memory.

I know how you think and operate. You watch a lot of basketball. And when you see a player do something that other players cant (usually of an athletic nature) you tend to focus completely on that. I am SURE you have seen BJ Mullens on some night where some team had ZERO answer for his size and athleticism and thats what you focused on.

Every player from Jackie Butler to Randolph Morris to Lavar Postel to Gilbert Arenas to Lebron James at some point at some place did something to make a GM, scout or coach go oooooh, I can do something with this guy.

Just cause you can throw 95 doesnt mean you can pitch. BJ Mullens can throw 95, but isnt good enough to get p/t on a 9th seeded team in the NCAA. Tell me again why taking a guy like that is any different from taking some 19 year Euro kid like Lampe or Skita that played in youth leagues. Same crap amigo.

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3/16/2009  1:03 PM
Briggs, spare me the "your the same guy" mantra. An all-Briggs team could just as easily be Marcus Williams, Abur Rahim, Michael Redd, Sweetney, Chris Kaman and Bogut just as easily as it would be an Amare, Bynum, Anthony Randolph, Thabeet, bla bla bla


What exactly is wrong with those players? Think about it just picking Mike Redd wouldve been enough--he ended up a 2nd rounder. Chris Kaman wasnt even on draft boards when I brought his attention here--I mean come on--yes I fcked a few but lets get real
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3/16/2009  1:06 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Briggs, spare me the "your the same guy" mantra. An all-Briggs team could just as easily be Marcus Williams, Abur Rahim, Michael Redd, Sweetney, Chris Kaman and Bogut just as easily as it would be an Amare, Bynum, Anthony Randolph, Thabeet, bla bla bla


What exactly is wrong with those players? Think about it just picking Mike Redd wouldve been enough--he ended up a 2nd rounder. Chris Kaman wasnt even on draft boards when I brought his attention here--I mean come on--yes I fcked a few but lets get real


Also if you have a great memory--who did I pick for the Knicks when we had 30 4 years ago---Nate Robinson --go look it up
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3/16/2009  2:01 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Briggs, spare me the "your the same guy" mantra. An all-Briggs team could just as easily be Marcus Williams, Abur Rahim, Michael Redd, Sweetney, Chris Kaman and Bogut just as easily as it would be an Amare, Bynum, Anthony Randolph, Thabeet, bla bla bla


What exactly is wrong with those players? Think about it just picking Mike Redd wouldve been enough--he ended up a 2nd rounder. Chris Kaman wasnt even on draft boards when I brought his attention here--I mean come on--yes I fcked a few but lets get real


Also if you have a great memory--who did I pick for the Knicks when we had 30 4 years ago---Nate Robinson --go look it up
You did pick Nate. I do remember... along with 8-10 other guys at different times. Granger was the one I said we blew. He slipped because he was hurt a lot in school but was easily the most talented player on the board. The point you have an awful lot of Ks to go with your HRs and thats fine, but you pass some stuff off as gospel and it just isnt.

BJ Mullens is NOT 2 years away from being a 20 point scorer in this league. How or why you think that is beyond me. Maybe he's the next Robert Swift... Maybe

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3/16/2009  2:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Briggs, spare me the "your the same guy" mantra. An all-Briggs team could just as easily be Marcus Williams, Abur Rahim, Michael Redd, Sweetney, Chris Kaman and Bogut just as easily as it would be an Amare, Bynum, Anthony Randolph, Thabeet, bla bla bla


What exactly is wrong with those players? Think about it just picking Mike Redd wouldve been enough--he ended up a 2nd rounder. Chris Kaman wasnt even on draft boards when I brought his attention here--I mean come on--yes I fcked a few but lets get real


Also if you have a great memory--who did I pick for the Knicks when we had 30 4 years ago---Nate Robinson --go look it up
You did pick Nate. I do remember... along with 8-10 other guys at different times. Granger was the one I said we blew. He slipped because he was hurt a lot in school but was easily the most talented player on the board. The point you have an awful lot of Ks to go with your HRs and thats fine, but you pass some stuff off as gospel and it just isnt.

BJ Mullens is NOT 2 years away from being a 20 point scorer in this league. How or why you think that is beyond me. Maybe he's the next Robert Swift... Maybe

I said watch him at OST if he stays--he will be a 20 point scorer or close to it next year. If he develops correctly he will be a 20 point scorer in the NBA some day.
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