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3/15/2009  11:28 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Its not surprising. Nearly everyime Balkman played a significant number of minutes (20+) he had a big impact on the game and produced, despite his limitations. His level of activity is much greater than 90% of players that will be out there on the court.

too bad his BB IQ is less than that of 90% of players that will be out there on the court.
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3/15/2009  11:29 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by VDesai:

Its not surprising. Nearly everyime Balkman played a significant number of minutes (20+) he had a big impact on the game and produced, despite his limitations. His level of activity is much greater than 90% of players that will be out there on the court.

too bad his BB IQ is less than that of 90% of players that will be out there on the court.

I don't agree with that.
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3/15/2009  11:41 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Vmart:

Just goes to show that Isiah knew how to draft. Frye is the weakest of his NYK draft picks and even he put up numbers in his first season.

Best drafter of his era.

you know, you do have to take into account the picks he traded away and used on frye as well. it balances out. he drafted some nice finds late and blew potential franchise type talent in the same breath. (and i'm talking about his knicks career only).

why would you take into account the picks he traded away? that doesnt make sense. He sucked as an overall GM, but at his drafting ability.

Frye sucked, but nobody's perfect.
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3/15/2009  11:43 PM
Trading those picks would potentially comment on his drafting ability on the basis that he should've evaluated those drafts and seen the quality that would've been available and not risked trading those picks. But that probably wasn't a consideration he was making.
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3/15/2009  11:49 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Trading those picks would potentially comment on his drafting ability on the basis that he should've evaluated those drafts and seen the quality that would've been available and not risked trading those picks. But that probably wasn't a consideration he was making.

Eh...thats a stretch. He thought he was getting a guy who was going to man the center position for the next 10 years, and there were very few people that were ripping the deal, as nobody could have predicted that such high picks would have resulted from a Larry Brown coached team with all that "talent".

If he could look into the future and see the next two years would net a #2 and a #9, perhaps he makes a better decision.

[Edited by - sebstar on 03-15-2009 11:50 PM]
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3/15/2009  11:49 PM
Isiah also made trades to acquire draft picks that turned out well for us... case in point, Nate Robinson came in the Q Rich for Kurt Thomas trade.

not trying to defend Isiah's acumen much here but not every trade he made was a bad one.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-15-2009 8:49 PM]
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3/15/2009  11:56 PM
Posted by TMS:

Isiah also made trades to acquire draft picks that turned out well for us... case in point, Nate Robinson came in the Q Rich for Kurt Thomas trade.

not trying to defend Isiah's acumen much here but not every trade he made was a bad one.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-15-2009 8:49 PM]

Not to rain on the Isiah lovefest, but...

I'm sorry, but the trade is a wash at best. It may be his best trade, but only on the basis that he got utterly raped on almost all of the others. Q Rich wound up being terrible for us because he was damaged goods. I really like Q Rich, but his back injury was absolutely killer. As for Nate, he was still the worst player in that trade and his stats are inflated right now, IMHO.
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3/15/2009  11:58 PM
QRich has hurt us quite a bit over the last 4 years.

[Edited by - vdesai on 03-15-2009 11:59 PM]
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3/15/2009  11:58 PM
Nate is so much better than KT it's not even funny... come on dude... i'm no Isiah lover but let's be objective here.
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3/16/2009  12:43 AM
Posted by TMS:

Nate is so much better than KT it's not even funny... come on dude... i'm no Isiah lover but let's be objective here.

How? Nate isn't even starter material. He does one thing well, but he cancels it out with how much of a liability he is on defense with his size disadvantage. I would take KT in his prime over Nate right now any day.

[Edited by - Solace on Mar 16 2009 12:44 AM]
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3/16/2009  1:11 AM
we traded KT when he was a 10 year veteran & was clearly slowing down on defense himself... the last couple seasons he was here he was more concerned about fighting his own teammates for rebounds just to pad his stats & play for a contract extension than he was on playing the type of defense he was playing earlier on in his Knicks career... take a look at his numbers when he went to Phoenix, Seattle & San Antonio... he was nothing but a role player on those teams himself.

at no time in his Knicks career was KT ever as good of an offensive player as Nate either so if u wanna give KT credit for his defense u gotta give Nate a little credit for his offense, no?
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3/16/2009  2:32 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:

Isiah also made trades to acquire draft picks that turned out well for us... case in point, Nate Robinson came in the Q Rich for Kurt Thomas trade.

not trying to defend Isiah's acumen much here but not every trade he made was a bad one.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-15-2009 8:49 PM]



As for Nate, he was still the worst player in that trade and his stats are inflated right now, IMHO.


Thats a ridiculous ass comment.
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3/16/2009  2:45 AM
Balkman? I wonder why he gets no threads when his ass is glued to the bench most of the time. H's putting up the same numbers he did last year. Who cares?
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Vmart:

Just goes to show that Isiah knew how to draft. Frye is the weakest of his NYK draft picks and even he put up numbers in his first season.

Best drafter of his era.

Yeah, after 5 years he managed to draft only one starter. It's really tough to expect anyone to beat that.

LOL. One of the very few times I laugh and agree with you.
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by VDesai:

Trading those picks would potentially comment on his drafting ability on the basis that he should've evaluated those drafts and seen the quality that would've been available and not risked trading those picks. But that probably wasn't a consideration he was making.

Eh...thats a stretch. He thought he was getting a guy who was going to man the center position for the next 10 years, and there were very few people that were ripping the deal, as nobody could have predicted that such high picks would have resulted from a Larry Brown coached team with all that "talent".

If he could look into the future and see the next two years would net a #2 and a #9, perhaps he makes a better decision.

[Edited by - sebstar on 03-15-2009 11:50 PM]

Isiah also went on record to say he'd take Curry with the #1 pick. Same with Frye.
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3/16/2009  3:07 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:
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Posted by Vmart:

Just goes to show that Isiah knew how to draft. Frye is the weakest of his NYK draft picks and even he put up numbers in his first season.

Best drafter of his era.

Yeah, after 5 years he managed to draft only one starter. It's really tough to expect anyone to beat that.

LOL. One of the very few times I laugh and agree with you.

to be fair, Lee, Nate, Chandler & Ariza are all starters now... u can make an argument that Nate's been a 6th man for the most part this year & i agree w/that but not sure how u can really argue about Lee & Chandler... both of those guys are legit starters on plenty of teams in the NBA

Ariza is probably a bench player at best on most teams but the Lakers don't seem to have a problem starting him either right now & he's playing on a championship calibre team.
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3/16/2009  3:19 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Vmart:

Just goes to show that Isiah knew how to draft. Frye is the weakest of his NYK draft picks and even he put up numbers in his first season.

Best drafter of his era.

Yeah, after 5 years he managed to draft only one starter. It's really tough to expect anyone to beat that.

LOL. One of the very few times I laugh and agree with you.

to be fair, Lee, Nate, Chandler & Ariza are all starters now... u can make an argument that Nate's been a 6th man for the most part this year & i agree w/that but not sure how u can really argue about Lee & Chandler... both of those guys are legit starters on plenty of teams in the NBA

Ariza is probably a bench player at best on most teams but the Lakers don't seem to have a problem starting him either right now & he's playing on a championship calibre team.

Chandler to me hasn't proven anything yet. I don't think he's a legit starter on most teams in the NBA simply because of his low basketball IQ and poor handles. I think the guy needs to develop much more before I consider him anything more than a role player. One thing the dude really needs to understand is that he ain't good at all from 3 point land so stop f'ing shooting 3's. You shoot 30% from 3 point land and you take 5 3's a game? Why? It's where basketball IQ comes into play. Hopefully he works on everything in the summer, including driving it in more often.

As for Lee, on very good-great teams he is a backup but I'll give Isiah that. Most guys that low in the draft don't ever become anything. Same with Nate. Good finds late in the draft. I'm still not too fond of Ariza though.
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3/16/2009  3:33 AM
Chandler is essentially a rookie, GKF, are you kidding me?
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3/16/2009  3:35 AM
Chandler would easily be starting on all these teams right now, either as a SF or a SG:

Atlanta
Charlotte
Cleveland
Dallas
Denver
Golden State
Indiana
Lakers
Miami
Minnesota
New Jersey
New York
Oklahoma City
Philadelphia
Portland
Sacramento
San Antonio
Toronto
Utah
Washington
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Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by VDesai:

Trading those picks would potentially comment on his drafting ability on the basis that he should've evaluated those drafts and seen the quality that would've been available and not risked trading those picks. But that probably wasn't a consideration he was making.

Eh...thats a stretch. He thought he was getting a guy who was going to man the center position for the next 10 years, and there were very few people that were ripping the deal, as nobody could have predicted that such high picks would have resulted from a Larry Brown coached team with all that "talent".

If he could look into the future and see the next two years would net a #2 and a #9, perhaps he makes a better decision.

[Edited by - sebstar on 03-15-2009 11:50 PM]

Isiah also went on record to say he'd take Curry with the #1 pick. Same with Frye.

I heard him say that about Frye, but I dont know about him saying that about Curry.
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