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Vmart
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3/12/2009  2:35 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

We waited so long for Marbury and then Crawford to figure out how to run an offense. Now we're going to do it again?

We really have to trade the kid, he's my favorite player, but we have to trade him and take Jennings, Rubio, Maynor, or worst case, Teague for our PGotF and use picks we hopefully get from Nate and Lee to rebuild in a way that fits MikeD's system.

Maynor - Hughes - Chandler - Al - Jordan

bench: Gallo - Lawson - Sanders - Duhon - Jeffries

If we got two modest picks back for Lee and Nate, we could end up with this next year.


Why would you get rid of Nate, that is crazy. All you have to do is put Hughes and Nate in the back court and you won't lose a beat. The idea is if you need a pg then the Knicks need a pass first pg that has good size to compliment Nate. I would go after Livingston just so I could keep Nate or take a big pg in the draft or even consider bring back Mardy Collins. Or just tell Hughes your the pg now make like Ron Harper or make an offer for JKdd for a couple of years because he plays good defense and can guard sgs.

Nate is playing like a superstar and there is no way I would part ways with that since we know that this 2010 idea might be a pipe dream. This is a first time in a long time the Knicks have a solid homegrown talent. I wouldn't let Nate go that would be a huge mistake on the Knicks part.
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3/12/2009  2:41 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

You guys sarcasm sucks..

I'm gonna make reference to a comment my favorite announcer Mike Breen made last night about Nate.

He said he was talking to I believe a scout or something and the guy was raving about Nate and how good he was. Breen was like when you see a guy everynight you seem to focus on his flaws. He gushed about Sessions to the guy and the guy talked more about his flaws and that suprised Breen, but holds true to the point he was making.

I think you hater's for no reason need to take a step back and really see the talent and actually the freak of nature that Nate Robinson is......the ****ing guy needs to start. His talent level is on par with any guard in the league. He is just as talented if not more talented at least offensively than Deron, Paul or whoever you're sucking off in your imagination....that's a fact of life. Nates main thing is controlling his emotions and controling the game.

Bottom line is the dude needs to be the starting point guard for the Knicks......he needs to be given the spot and D'antoni needs to continue to work with him. They simply can't give up on him. The man is "really, really good" like D'antoni would say.

Btw, anyone catch the head fake he learned from Larry Hughes? He is totally using the same head fake Hughes uses. He's also playing the passing lanes way better since Hughes came in.

Nate and Hughes is a tough back court to face. Hughes is also a great passer and ball handler so he can help greatly. Fuck these bull**** games with Duhon starting and 2010. The future is now!


excellent post eny.. I agree, we do focus on his flaws, for me, if nate can pass a little more, and take better shots along with working harder on defense, I think his game will elevate to Allstar status and even more.. he is marketable, the leauge likes him, and people will pay money to come see him.. that is the recipe for a NBA star...
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3/12/2009  2:42 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

I counted at least 3 times last night where Gallo was WIDE open, and Nate just completely ignored him.

that right there is the problem I have with nate...
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3/12/2009  2:42 PM
Like I've been saying. The Knicks should build a perennial lottery team around Lee and Nate. What's so difficult to understand?
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3/12/2009  2:46 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think Nate needs to be the starting PG. I think that would change his game and he wouldn't be as successful as he is right now. As a starting PG you need to distribute the ball and run the offense. Right now he is a scorer. He's playing 30+ minutes a night and scoring 30 a game. Why would you switch his role at this point?

agree completely... if u ask Nate to be an orchestrator he loses what makes him so unique... as a PG u have to look to set up your teammates to start the games & keep them involved... if u've been watching Nate closely this year he's at his best when he takes it hard to the hole & either gets fouled, scores, or hits a perimeter J... he's not the pass first PG that MDA needs to run his system... if u wanna start Nate at PG then u have to change the system & make it like what Lenny Wilkins was running a while back & just let Nate get his & let the other guys play off him the way they had Marbury playing... i'd have no problem showcasing Nate to up his trade value to start next season, but in the long run if u wanna win on a consistent basis, Nate starting at PG is not the best formula IMHO... he's fine where he is... why mess with it like Bip said.
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3/12/2009  3:03 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think Nate needs to be the starting PG. I think that would change his game and he wouldn't be as successful as he is right now. As a starting PG you need to distribute the ball and run the offense. Right now he is a scorer. He's playing 30+ minutes a night and scoring 30 a game. Why would you switch his role at this point?

agree completely... if u ask Nate to be an orchestrator he loses what makes him so unique... as a PG u have to look to set up your teammates to start the games & keep them involved... if u've been watching Nate closely this year he's at his best when he takes it hard to the hole & either gets fouled, scores, or hits a perimeter J... he's not the pass first PG that MDA needs to run his system... if u wanna start Nate at PG then u have to change the system & make it like what Lenny Wilkins was running a while back & just let Nate get his & let the other guys play off him the way they had Marbury playing... i'd have no problem showcasing Nate to up his trade value to start next season, but in the long run if u wanna win on a consistent basis, Nate starting at PG is not the best formula IMHO... he's fine where he is... why mess with it like Bip said.

I agree totally.
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3/12/2009  3:06 PM
Posted by Martice:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think Nate needs to be the starting PG. I think that would change his game and he wouldn't be as successful as he is right now. As a starting PG you need to distribute the ball and run the offense. Right now he is a scorer. He's playing 30+ minutes a night and scoring 30 a game. Why would you switch his role at this point?
if u wanna start Nate at PG then u have to change the system & make it like what Lenny Wilkins was running a while back & just let Nate get his & let the other guys play off him the way they had Marbury playing... i'd have no problem showcasing Nate to up his trade value to start next season

Correction. I agree with everything except the above part.

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3/12/2009  3:07 PM
I nominate this for worst topic of all time. It's up there with my own "Fred Jones stupid face" topic.
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3/12/2009  3:11 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

I nominate this for worst topic of all time. It's up there with my own "Fred Jones stupid face" topic.

i remember that one
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3/12/2009  3:12 PM
Posted by Vmart:

When a player can get his shot off on anyone and anytime do it consistently within the frame work of the team, then that player is a superstar.

Again, I really like this kid, but I don't think we can keep him.

V-Mart - do you really think he's playing within the framework of the team? He avoids Gallo like he's got crabs.
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3/12/2009  3:13 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

I nominate this for worst topic of all time. It's up there with my own "Fred Jones stupid face" topic.

Have you checked out the other thread ? Nate is Steve Nash material in that one.
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3/12/2009  3:21 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by EnySpree:
He is just as talented if not more talented at least offensively than Deron, Paul or whoever you're sucking off in your imagination
best line I have read in weeks. Good one amigo

Thanks Fishy.....

Yo JohnWallace thanks for the long rant basically justifying the quote above.

Do you (johnwallace) even read the part about nate not having control of his emotions or the game yet?

I stand by what I said about Nate can stand toe to toe offensively with deron and chris paul, cuz its the truth.

Point guard skills no, but he needs to be groomed like anybody else. Nobody seems to want to. The Knicks would be making a huge mistake if they let the kid go.
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3/12/2009  3:33 PM
Why would you get rid of Nate, that is crazy. All you have to do is put Hughes and Nate in the back court and you won't lose a beat. The idea is if you need a pg then the Knicks need a pass first pg that has good size to compliment Nate. I would go after Livingston just so I could keep Nate or take a big pg in the draft or even consider bring back Mardy Collins. Or just tell Hughes your the pg now make like Ron Harper or make an offer for JKdd for a couple of years because he plays good defense and can guard sgs.

Nate is playing like a superstar and there is no way I would part ways with that since we know that this 2010 idea might be a pipe dream. This is a first time in a long time the Knicks have a solid homegrown talent. I wouldn't let Nate go that would be a huge mistake on the Knicks part.

VMart - I just saw this... and um... LIVINGSTON!? Is he even in the league? I thought we were trying to build a winning team here. Let's bring back Penny too. If you keep Nate, you need a serious center here immediately and you might as well cut Gallo and Chandler. They are spot up shooters. Nate never lets go of the ball.

Just because Nate can score like he does, that doesn't make him an efficient scorer.

Example #1 - Allen Iverson - The Pistons score much more efficiently without him

I think Nate can actually be a better overall player than AI, but he's only got 19 games left to show that he can find Gallo, Al and Chandler on the wings and MAKE THEM BETTER players. He can do it, but will he do it?

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/12/2009  3:36 PM
the couple of starts he's had at PG he had massive games. I would at least like to see what that looks like for a 10 game stretch
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3/12/2009  3:45 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the couple of starts he's had at PG he had massive games. I would at least like to see what that looks like for a 10 game stretch

from an investment standpoint you have to do that don't you?

The fact that Duhon is spent plays right into that too.
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3/12/2009  3:58 PM
i think if we lose a few more games and fall out of playoff contention nate might get a serious run at starting point, while duhon rests for next year.

as fish says, there have been some games in the past where we've seen nate do a nice job of distributing.

my guess is gallo would also see bigger minutes too.

[Edited by - PresIke on 03-12-2009 3:59 PM]
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3/12/2009  4:47 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by fishmike:

the couple of starts he's had at PG he had massive games. I would at least like to see what that looks like for a 10 game stretch

from an investment standpoint you have to do that don't you?

The fact that Duhon is spent plays right into that too.
I thought we should have dealt Duhon at the deadline. His value was high. 12/8 are good numbers and he was playing well. Now his value is taking a big hit.

Time will tell

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3/12/2009  4:59 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:

I nominate this for worst topic of all time. It's up there with my own "Fred Jones stupid face" topic.

i remember that one

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26005

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3/12/2009  6:09 PM
If Duhon doesn't come out of his slump, I think we will see Nate in the starting lineup. He definitely has his flaws and we're all familiar with them, but he's aware of those flaws, has been working to make his game more balanced and has succeeded to a great degree. He still has periods where he slips back into what Clyde calls "the old Nate", but he's working out of that more and more.

We definitely need to keep Nate going forward. I wouldn't call him a superstar at this point, but if he keeps playing this well, it's going to be hard to keep him out of the All Star game - and not just in the slam dunk contest.
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3/12/2009  6:43 PM
Gotta love this forum. People deny that Nate is a superstar and they're denounced as haters. God forbid someone might have a nuanced view like, say, Nate is a good player, but isn't a superstar.
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