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3/11/2009  1:01 PM
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Does JustDanceTony have a major mancrush on his skinny Eyetalian, or does he just hate N8 that much? Gallo's been his best player the last couple of weeks? Really? Best at what? Deranged hand signals that make everyone miss LJ? I think N8's even got more rebounds than Gallo during the same time span.

They CANNOT make Mr. One Trick Pony Houston the face of the franchise over Spree. The fact that it's even a question is deranged. I want the names of the 11 people on the decision board.

Deranged: word of the day, kids.

What? You call out of control Nate the best player? This guy is a ballhog to the 100th degree and more or less kills ball movement when he gets out there. If he played more within an offense and under control he would be OK in my book. But he doesn't so he doesn't deserve special recognition. Plus his constant yelling and taunting after every shot is annoying.

Nate is the best 6th man in basketball--he has a Dwayne Wade jr type game. The guy is a great little player with awesome heart.

you forgot to qualify... he is the best 6th man in bb on one end of the floor. I think I saw the little man go under picks that were about 5 feet from him... and they lead to direct layups.

He's smallish so he will always have some trouble on the D--there is no way around it but he gives maximum effort and that is what you want. In terms of overall game--how could you ask for a better 6th man? He comes with energy he rebounds he hits the open man and is unstoppable on the offensive end. He's a spark plug and a game changer
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3/11/2009  1:03 PM
dude had four steals last night - he could press all the time if we had any interior defense

too late for that though, we almost have to trade him
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3/11/2009  1:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by jrodmc:

Does JustDanceTony have a major mancrush on his skinny Eyetalian, or does he just hate N8 that much? Gallo's been his best player the last couple of weeks? Really? Best at what? Deranged hand signals that make everyone miss LJ? I think N8's even got more rebounds than Gallo during the same time span.

They CANNOT make Mr. One Trick Pony Houston the face of the franchise over Spree. The fact that it's even a question is deranged. I want the names of the 11 people on the decision board.

Deranged: word of the day, kids.

What? You call out of control Nate the best player? This guy is a ballhog to the 100th degree and more or less kills ball movement when he gets out there. If he played more within an offense and under control he would be OK in my book. But he doesn't so he doesn't deserve special recognition. Plus his constant yelling and taunting after every shot is annoying.

Nate is the best 6th man in basketball--he has a Dwayne Wade jr type game. The guy is a great little player with awesome heart.

you forgot to qualify... he is the best 6th man in bb on one end of the floor. I think I saw the little man go under picks that were about 5 feet from him... and they lead to direct layups.

He's smallish so he will always have some trouble on the D--there is no way around it but he gives maximum effort and that is what you want. In terms of overall game--how could you ask for a better 6th man? He comes with energy he rebounds he hits the open man and is unstoppable on the offensive end. He's a spark plug and a game changer

the problems I am describing have nothing to do with how small he is. Nate is great on O and can rebound. He did have a bunch of steals last night and he can have more if he used more energy on D.

Nate is unstoppable on the offensive end... how come he can't use his quickness to pressure the ball? He should also average 3 steals a game, not the 1.5 he has going now.

Nate is a siv on the perimeter.
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3/11/2009  1:26 PM
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so it sounds like if we fall out of contention for the playoffs we will likely see gallo getting bigger minutes.

jw - sessions has been a forum fav since he's torched us in practically every game we play against him. i like him too, and would be more than happy to see us pick him up. not sure how that would work, cap wise, for us and why would the bucks not match an offer sheet unless we seriously overpay? (which sounds strange given our need for fiscal responsibility)

The article states that he is an unrestricted FA...

Question: Would you want a 22 yr old Ramon Sessions at the MLE for 5 years over Jason Kidd or Steve Nash (assuming Nash opts out)-- it being highly speculated that either would be willing to take the MLE to play in NY for D'antoni and be part of the 2010 plans...

So the John Stockton argument won't carry much weight? I guess the next question is if Sessions is better than (1) a re-signed Nate Robinson or (2) the best available PG in the draft?

PS... if we get a poor draft pick and the players we are targetting are off the board-- does anyone know if we can waive the "top 22" protected status on the pick and give it to Utah this year instead of in 2010?
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3/11/2009  1:30 PM
Nate is #13 in the league in steals per 48min.

Next on the Knicks is Al at #59 in the league.

#15? Devin Harris
#16? LeBron James

Dude's not a bad thief, but he would be a lot better if he had better defense behind him.

Its our team defense that's bad when I watch the games, but that's never going to change until we have better interior players.
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3/11/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

he shouldn't have to be... the dude was a Division I cornerback in college... he should just play defense
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3/11/2009  1:41 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

Can you really coach effort?
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3/11/2009  1:52 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Nate is #13 in the league in steals per 48min.

Next on the Knicks is Al at #59 in the league.

#15? Devin Harris
#16? LeBron James

Dude's not a bad thief, but he would be a lot better if he had better defense behind him.

Its our team defense that's bad when I watch the games, but that's never going to change until we have better interior players.

our interior players are saying that things wont change until the knicks get better perimeter players.

Watch Hughes, Duhon and Nate closely over the next few and tell me which ones are caca and which one gives a pretty decent effort all the way.
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3/11/2009  1:58 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Nate is #13 in the league in steals per 48min.

Next on the Knicks is Al at #59 in the league.

#15? Devin Harris
#16? LeBron James

Dude's not a bad thief, but he would be a lot better if he had better defense behind him.

Its our team defense that's bad when I watch the games, but that's never going to change until we have better interior players.

our interior players are saying that things wont change until the knicks get better perimeter players.

Watch Hughes, Duhon and Nate closely over the next few and tell me which ones are caca and which one gives a pretty decent effort all the way.

I think Duhon is caca. I think Hughes has a slow first step. I think Nate is better in the press and is an overmatch on the opponent when man to man, but is terrible in the half-court set when handling screens-- which is compounded by the fact that he cannot switch off a screen because he would give up more than foot in height on the mismatch. He has to fight through the screens. Otherwise, I think his defense is fine. He probably would do better in a ball denial role rather than guarding the opposing PG straight up.... all that cornerback experience should make it easy for him to shadow other players.

Perhaps let him press the back court and slide off to shadow the opposing 2 once in the halfcourt set.
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3/11/2009  2:00 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

Can you really coach effort?

If you can't coach effort, you need to find another career, 'cuz that's what it's all about.
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3/11/2009  2:01 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

Can you really coach effort?

If you can't coach effort, you need to find another career, 'cuz that's what it's all about.

If you can't PLAY with effort then you need to find another, because that's what it's all about.
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3/11/2009  2:01 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

Can you really coach effort?

If you can't coach effort, you need to find another career, 'cuz that's what it's all about.

says who? if I can find someone to pay me millions to do the minimum, I'm cashing paychecks until the cash stream dries up

[Edited by - supremecommander on 03-11-2009 2:02 PM]
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3/11/2009  2:08 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

Can you really coach effort?

I don't know about coaching effort but you can inspire better play.
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3/11/2009  2:23 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

Can you really coach effort?

If you can't coach effort, you need to find another career, 'cuz that's what it's all about.

If you can't PLAY with effort then you need to find another, because that's what it's all about.

Do you think Pat Riley coached effort? Did you see a noticeable difference in effort on the Knicks and Heat teams before and after he got there?
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3/11/2009  2:35 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by martin:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Nate is #13 in the league in steals per 48min.

Next on the Knicks is Al at #59 in the league.

#15? Devin Harris
#16? LeBron James

Dude's not a bad thief, but he would be a lot better if he had better defense behind him.

Its our team defense that's bad when I watch the games, but that's never going to change until we have better interior players.

our interior players are saying that things wont change until the knicks get better perimeter players.

Watch Hughes, Duhon and Nate closely over the next few and tell me which ones are caca and which one gives a pretty decent effort all the way.

I think Duhon is caca. I think Hughes has a slow first step. I think Nate is better in the press and is an overmatch on the opponent when man to man, but is terrible in the half-court set when handling screens-- which is compounded by the fact that he cannot switch off a screen because he would give up more than foot in height on the mismatch. He has to fight through the screens. Otherwise, I think his defense is fine. He probably would do better in a ball denial role rather than guarding the opposing PG straight up.... all that cornerback experience should make it easy for him to shadow other players.

Perhaps let him press the back court and slide off to shadow the opposing 2 once in the halfcourt set.

I don't see where Hughes has a slow first step.

And MDA was screaming at Nate at one point cause he wasn't pressing. That's the thing, Nate's concentration on D is horrid.
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3/11/2009  2:47 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by jrodmc:

Does JustDanceTony have a major mancrush on his skinny Eyetalian, or does he just hate N8 that much? Gallo's been his best player the last couple of weeks? Really? Best at what? Deranged hand signals that make everyone miss LJ? I think N8's even got more rebounds than Gallo during the same time span.

They CANNOT make Mr. One Trick Pony Houston the face of the franchise over Spree. The fact that it's even a question is deranged. I want the names of the 11 people on the decision board.

Deranged: word of the day, kids.

What? You call out of control Nate the best player? This guy is a ballhog to the 100th degree and more or less kills ball movement when he gets out there. If he played more within an offense and under control he would be OK in my book. But he doesn't so he doesn't deserve special recognition. Plus his constant yelling and taunting after every shot is annoying.

Nate is the best 6th man in basketball--he has a Dwayne Wade jr type game. The guy is a great little player with awesome heart.

you forgot to qualify... he is the best 6th man in bb on one end of the floor. I think I saw the little man go under picks that were about 5 feet from him... and they lead to direct layups.

He's smallish so he will always have some trouble on the D--there is no way around it but he gives maximum effort and that is what you want. In terms of overall game--how could you ask for a better 6th man? He comes with energy he rebounds he hits the open man and is unstoppable on the offensive end. He's a spark plug and a game changer

the problems I am describing have nothing to do with how small he is. Nate is great on O and can rebound. He did have a bunch of steals last night and he can have more if he used more energy on D.

Nate is unstoppable on the offensive end... how come he can't use his quickness to pressure the ball? He should also average 3 steals a game, not the 1.5 he has going now.

Nate is a siv on the perimeter.

No his size will always be a detriment on the D--there is no way around that--so that factors in. He's an effort player--giving 110% all the time. If they feel he needs to position himself differently on the D it's on the coach--Nate is going to give the effort. All in all the guy is a gem of a gem player. I would rather concentrate on his absolute positives than some of the smaller negatives. He's a winning type player--he wants to win and he CARES about winning. Does he do too much at times--yes but he has continued to get better making smarter plays and has improved by leaps and bounds. When you ahve gold you dont want to trade it for silver.
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3/11/2009  2:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

Can you really coach effort?

If you can't coach effort, you need to find another career, 'cuz that's what it's all about.

If you can't PLAY with effort then you need to find another, because that's what it's all about.

Do you think Pat Riley coached effort? Did you see a noticeable difference in effort on the Knicks and Heat teams before and after he got there?

Pat Riley is an all-time great coach. With that being said, I would seriously like to see him try and get Nate and Lee to play better defense. It ain't happening.
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3/11/2009  3:04 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

nate can be coached on defense.

Can you really coach effort?

If you can't coach effort, you need to find another career, 'cuz that's what it's all about.

If you can't PLAY with effort then you need to find another, because that's what it's all about.

Do you think Pat Riley coached effort? Did you see a noticeable difference in effort on the Knicks and Heat teams before and after he got there?

Pat Riley is an all-time great coach. With that being said, I would seriously like to see him try and get Nate and Lee to play better defense. It ain't happening.

Well yeah, Riley is probably an extreme example but I wanted to choose an obvious case where effort was most definitely coached up.

Effort and defense can be coached up and should be. The fact that the team looks the same effort and defense wise as they have all year should be a big warning sign about the head coach.
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Well yeah, Riley is probably an extreme example but I wanted to choose an obvious case where effort was most definitely coached up.

Effort and defense can be coached up and should be. The fact that the team looks the same effort and defense wise as they have all year should be a big warning sign about the head coach.

I don't agree that it is a big warning-sign. Everyone knows that MikeD is a front-running type of coach, but what coach isn't. There are very few coaches in the history of this game that can turn water into wine.

With that being said - given the proper players to run his system he's a very good coach. I know you like to rag on his job with the Suns but they did have a good run and if that team was playing in the East at the time, they would have been in the Finals multiple times.

We all know what MikeD is, we have to get players that fit into his style of play and I'm perfectly fine with that.
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3/11/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by martin:
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Posted by JohnWallace44:

Nate is #13 in the league in steals per 48min.

Next on the Knicks is Al at #59 in the league.

#15? Devin Harris
#16? LeBron James

Dude's not a bad thief, but he would be a lot better if he had better defense behind him.

Its our team defense that's bad when I watch the games, but that's never going to change until we have better interior players.

our interior players are saying that things wont change until the knicks get better perimeter players.

Watch Hughes, Duhon and Nate closely over the next few and tell me which ones are caca and which one gives a pretty decent effort all the way.

I think Duhon is caca. I think Hughes has a slow first step. I think Nate is better in the press and is an overmatch on the opponent when man to man, but is terrible in the half-court set when handling screens-- which is compounded by the fact that he cannot switch off a screen because he would give up more than foot in height on the mismatch. He has to fight through the screens. Otherwise, I think his defense is fine. He probably would do better in a ball denial role rather than guarding the opposing PG straight up.... all that cornerback experience should make it easy for him to shadow other players.

Perhaps let him press the back court and slide off to shadow the opposing 2 once in the halfcourt set.

I don't see where Hughes has a slow first step.

And MDA was screaming at Nate at one point cause he wasn't pressing. That's the thing, Nate's concentration on D is horrid.

Wade abused Hughes time and again and I think it had a lot to do with his footwork. Hughes works wonders in the passing lanes and he has fast hands, but I think that a lot of quick SGs can get by him based on a slow first step. It may be his balance when reaching for a swipe.

As for Nate not pressing vs not being able to press are slightly diff in my opinion...
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