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subzero0
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3/11/2009  10:18 AM
Here we go again with this Carmelo thing. If he got frustrated over there and continues to be a cancer to his team, what makes you think he will be any better here? Comon, since this guy has come into this league he has been a headache. Let it go man, just let it go.
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3/11/2009  10:24 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by arkrud:
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Yeah, I agree --- Melo can be had. I envision something along the lines of Lee/Chandler/and a couple of expirings for Melo and and perhaps a second tier player. That deal seems fair, because it makes financial sense, plus they get a player who can impact right now and a player for the future.

So what we will have then... Melo and The Scrubs?

Dude, you have a close to a superstar-level player just entering his prime. Thats a near impossibility to acquire. Filling out the roster is the easy and fun part. A couple of smart trades with our assets and we would already be one of the better teams in the east.

You've learned absolutely nothing from the Ewing years, that much is obvious.

You don't trade your whole team for a "borderline-superstar" and then try to build around him with lesser players. That would be asking for trouble.
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3/11/2009  11:04 AM
So what we will have then... Melo and The Scrubs?
Dude, you have a close to a superstar-level player just entering his prime. Thats a near impossibility to acquire. Filling out the roster is the easy and fun part. A couple of smart trades with our assets and we would already be one of the better teams in the east.
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You've learned absolutely nothing from the Ewing years, that much is obvious.

You don't trade your whole team for a "borderline-superstar" and then try to build around him with lesser players. That would be asking for trouble.
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Hmmm... Not sure what you're referencing here. If we trade for Melo, will have room in 2010 to sign another Max guy (depending on the new cap). Just a little note, Melo's better than Bosh. So, do you want to wait for a shot at Bosh? I don't.



Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  11:10 AM
Great point JW. Bring Melo on anytime. Subzero obviously doesn't watch Melo play. How is he not a superstar? What makes you think he is a borderline superstar.
Last time I checked...everybody that played on the Olympic team was a superstar.
Also...if I remember correctly, Melo was the best offensive player on the Olympic team this past summer. If it wasn't him, he was a close 2nd to Wade.
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3/11/2009  11:16 AM
Posted by jimimou:

i think we'd get some more wins with melo, b/c as you pointed out, we havent had a talented player like that in a while. it would be easy for him to look good with this current cast of characters....but overall, i dont believe he is a mature professional...yet. can he be one day, sure. but i think unless you have someone else to keep him in check and focused, i just dont see it....you cant see an inkling of that with all the on and off the court stuff he's gone through? i mean even the other day - when interviewed before the game when he returned from suspension, he couldnt even bring out a simple "i'm sorry" for acting like a babay when carl sub'ed for him and he didnt come out of the game. imagine if someone pulled that **** on an oakley and ewing team? they would each grab an arm and hurl the moron towards the bench....the game is about respect for your team (i.e.: putting them over yourself) and the concept of winning as a team...

with what the knicks have gone through over the last 4 years, i just dont know if donnie would want to take a chance on someone that could potentially lead to more negative news articles.....

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3/11/2009  11:37 AM
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by sebstar:

Yeah, I agree --- Melo can be had. I envision something along the lines of Lee/Chandler/and a couple of expirings for Melo and and perhaps a second tier player. That deal seems fair, because it makes financial sense, plus they get a player who can impact right now and a player for the future.

So what we will have then... Melo and The Scrubs?

Dude, you have a close to a superstar-level playerjust entering his prime. Thats a near impossibility to acquire. Filling out the roster is the easy and fun part. A couple of smart trades with our assets and we would already be one of the better teams in the east.

You've learned absolutely nothing from the Ewing years, that much is obvious.

You don't trade your whole team for a "borderline-superstar" and then try to build around him with lesser players. That would be asking for trouble.

At DaJoka, see the bolded print from JW? That is why I said borderline.

In my book he is not a superstar until he does something significant in the playoffs.

[Edited by - subzero0 on 03-11-2009 11:38 AM]
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3/11/2009  11:40 AM
If we say that Melo's not good enough for us, he's not a championship player, well... who do you want on this team?

Is it LeBron or bust now?

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
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3/11/2009  11:48 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If we say that Melo's not good enough for us, he's not a championship player, well... who do you want on this team?

Is it LeBron or bust now?

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

That is the point I want everyone to realize. We are not getting Lebron so we should be looking at either the draft or attaining players we can later use to package in a sign and trade for a real superstar. If we do it responsibly we can then sign a second fiddle. But please no Carmelo Anthony.
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3/11/2009  12:17 PM
We get it Subzero, you have some unexplained and irrational bent against Anthony. It cant be grounded in any sort of reality, (especially on the court) so you're going to have to take that agenda elsewhere because you're in the extreme minority on this one.
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3/11/2009  12:23 PM
Posted by subzero0:


You've learned absolutely nothing from the Ewing years, that much is obvious.

You don't trade your whole team for a "borderline-superstar" and then try to build around him with lesser players. That would be asking for trouble.

What does the incompetence of former Knick management, who in over a decade were unable to find a proper complimentary piece for Ewing in over a decade, have to do with Anthony and current Knick management? Never mind the fact that the Ewing years had us in championship contention for about five years straight.

That is really a bizarre argument and you're definitely grasping at straws here (we cant get a great player in his prime because Pat Ewing never won a chip????)
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3/11/2009  12:25 PM
Carmelo is a winner. Denver's always been a weird mix of personalities. For those that have seen him on the Olympic teams, where he's been a clear leader, and when he was on Syracuse, where he was the clear leader as a freshman and did everything on the floor to help that team win the championship.

He can play point forward. That works in our system.

I just don't know how many better fits there are that are even close to realistic.

Carmelo's not even realistic. It's just something that we hope might be possible.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  12:42 PM
Na JW...if the Nuggets keep going the way their going....it is very realistic the Knicks could get him.
A) Karl and Walsh have that UNC connection
B) We can completely wipe Melo's contract off Denvers books
C) Obviously they'll trade him to the East to keep him from playing them more than twice a year.
D) He's originally from BK even though he grew up in B-More
E) Melo loves Dantoni...just like every other superstar.
F) Besides Lebron, there is no other forward in the league that fits this system better than Melo. You see how Dantoni made Amare look? Imagine what he would do with Melo.

Everybody is available except Gallo.
Trade for Melo, draft a PG and try to sign Camby.
If we can do that this offseason..the Knicks will be top 4 teams in the East next year HANDS DOWN!!!!
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3/11/2009  12:57 PM
If you could draft Jennings/Maynor, put Melo at the 4, and get Camby you would scare the crap out of the rest of the East even a year before 2010.

Unfortunately you'd have to trade Lee to get Melo, and I can't see how they would need Nate in La La land.

Camby has an expiring deal next year and I think his combination of skill and an expiring contract is going to be extremely valuable. We won't be able to just grab him for nothing. That Denver deal was strange with him. They clearly could have gotten more than that.

We're in a lesser situation with Hughes. We got him for nothing, but would we trade him for a 2nd round pick now? Doubtful.

Maybe we could sign BirdMan for a year.

I'd really like to get enough picks so that we can get Tulsa's Jordan late, or VCU's Sanders if he comes out.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  1:08 PM
Posted by DaJoka:


B) We can completely wipe Melo's contract off Denvers books

Melo is an elite player entering his prime, so I dont think wiping him off the books is a priority for Denver unless they are in deep financial straits. Now K-Mart and Nene? They would love to wipe those contracts off...and I have a feeling if we strike a deal with Denver one of those players is definitely coming back, which is something I'd have no problem with.
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3/11/2009  2:15 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by jimimou:

i think we'd get some more wins with melo, b/c as you pointed out, we havent had a talented player like that in a while. it would be easy for him to look good with this current cast of characters....but overall, i dont believe he is a mature professional...yet. can he be one day, sure. but i think unless you have someone else to keep him in check and focused, i just dont see it....you cant see an inkling of that with all the on and off the court stuff he's gone through? i mean even the other day - when interviewed before the game when he returned from suspension, he couldnt even bring out a simple "i'm sorry" for acting like a babay when carl sub'ed for him and he didnt come out of the game. imagine if someone pulled that **** on an oakley and ewing team? they would each grab an arm and hurl the moron towards the bench....the game is about respect for your team (i.e.: putting them over yourself) and the concept of winning as a team...

with what the knicks have gone through over the last 4 years, i just dont know if donnie would want to take a chance on someone that could potentially lead to more negative news articles.....

+1.

i agree w/u both... at what it would likely cost us to even get him to NY i don't think it's worth it... Melo's 1 of the most talented young players in the game but maturity wise i just don't think he's ready to be a leader yet, & he never plays a lick of defense... if i'm trading away all my good young talent to bring a guy in he better bring it on both ends of the floor & be a guy that i want leading my team, & i'm just not sure Melo brings those traits to the table
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3/11/2009  3:34 PM
besides, for all you 'lebron's comin to ny' folks, u dont want melo b/c that would seriously hamper yor chances of gettin lebron. w the new salary cap and impending cba, the economy, doom and gloom, yada yada yada.... knicks cant afford them both.....not so much that they cant but they wont. a choice will have to be made and guess who wins that one...lebron.

[Edited by - jimimou on 03-11-2009 3:37 PM]
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3/11/2009  3:56 PM
Posted by jimimou:

besides, for all you 'lebron's comin to ny' folks, u dont want melo b/c that would seriously hamper yor chances of gettin lebron. w the new salary cap and impending cba, the economy, doom and gloom, yada yada yada.... knicks cant afford them both.....not so much that they cant but they wont. a choice will have to be made and guess who wins that one...lebron.

[Edited by - jimimou on 03-11-2009 3:37 PM]

if you can snag Melo this summer, you can always do a sign and trade with CLE if LeBron wants out of that team.
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3/11/2009  4:00 PM
Carmelo makes $16.3 Million in 2010

Curry - 11.2
Jeffries - 6.8
Gallo - 3.3
Chandler - 2.1

Add in a couple of draft picks and we'd only have room for 11 or so million in cap room.

That's if the cap comes in at $54 million.

We really would need $13 million in room ideally.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  4:02 PM
Na JW...If we trade for Melo...you best believe one of those 4 will not be here. I think Gallo is the only safe one. I would include Chandler in a deal for Melo in a heartbeat. Let's not forget that Curry I think will be traded...I think that's a fact. Even Eddy said he understands. I think Nate will be packaged with Jeffries.
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3/11/2009  4:03 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Carmelo makes $16.3 Million in 2010

Curry - 11.2
Jeffries - 6.8
Gallo - 3.3
Chandler - 2.1

Add in a couple of draft picks and we'd only have room for 11 or so million in cap room.

That's if the cap comes in at $54 million.

We really would need $13 million in room ideally.

Which could be why Donnie was looking to trade Nate along with Jeffries. If you do that and then Trade Chandler/Lee in a trade for Carmelo you then have a ton of cap room to add to a Melo based team in 2010. Say someone like Chris bosh? Bosh/Melo is a good tandem.
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