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Summer Trades Involving Lee and / or Nate
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BRIGGS
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3/11/2009  6:37 AM
It would be very very hard to find players better than Lee and Nate. Unless I received a no-brainer type deal--I would rather enhance and add. I'm not adverse to a trade but what team is going to give us fair value for either player. Is fair value getting rid of Nate just to get rid of Jefferies? Is Nate replaceable at 24 years old after finding his perfect niche? The guy is like a Dwayne Wade type player out of the sixth man position. I'm a great fan of Jon Starks but Starks is no where the pure talent that Nate is and look what Starks helped do for the Knicks. We can say defense and this and that about David Lee but the bottom line is the guy is one helluva basketball player.

I wonder if there is some creative moves we can make with Jefferies and Curry in terms of their contracts. Other than trading them--some type of creative accounting plan --perhaps have Jefferies opt out and promising him a 2 year MLE with a team option for 3 with a mm $ buyout in that third year etc.. We can use our own MLE on Jefferies after we sign a player.
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NYKBocker
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3/11/2009  7:50 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

It would be very very hard to find players better than Lee and Nate. Unless I received a no-brainer type deal--I would rather enhance and add. I'm not adverse to a trade but what team is going to give us fair value for either player. Is fair value getting rid of Nate just to get rid of Jefferies? Is Nate replaceable at 24 years old after finding his perfect niche? The guy is like a Dwayne Wade type player out of the sixth man position. I'm a great fan of Jon Starks but Starks is no where the pure talent that Nate is and look what Starks helped do for the Knicks. We can say defense and this and that about David Lee but the bottom line is the guy is one helluva basketball player.

I wonder if there is some creative moves we can make with Jefferies and Curry in terms of their contracts. Other than trading them--some type of creative accounting plan --perhaps have Jefferies opt out and promising him a 2 year MLE with a team option for 3 with a mm $ buyout in that third year etc.. We can use our own MLE on Jefferies after we sign a player.

I am with you here BRIGGS. I only trade DLee and/or Nate for no brainers. If not then sign them and complement them with better players. DLee is 1 defensive center from solidifying that front court. Nate is a super sub.
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3/11/2009  8:51 AM
Posted by King1:

The right deal wont come along he will be part of the rebuilding of the Knicks there is still about 7 guys they need to get rid of

Not really relevant as most of those guys will naturally fall off the roster due to contracts expiring this or next offseason. The only players that need to be moved, as discussed ad nauseum, would be Curry and Jeffries.
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3/11/2009  9:07 AM
Lee + Nate + make a first round selection for Denver

for

Melo?

That only works if Denver is looing cut him loose
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JohnWallace44
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3/11/2009  10:47 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by BRIGGS:

It would be very very hard to find players better than Lee and Nate. Unless I received a no-brainer type deal--I would rather enhance and add. I'm not adverse to a trade but what team is going to give us fair value for either player. Is fair value getting rid of Nate just to get rid of Jefferies? Is Nate replaceable at 24 years old after finding his perfect niche? The guy is like a Dwayne Wade type player out of the sixth man position. I'm a great fan of Jon Starks but Starks is no where the pure talent that Nate is and look what Starks helped do for the Knicks. We can say defense and this and that about David Lee but the bottom line is the guy is one helluva basketball player.

I wonder if there is some creative moves we can make with Jefferies and Curry in terms of their contracts. Other than trading them--some type of creative accounting plan --perhaps have Jefferies opt out and promising him a 2 year MLE with a team option for 3 with a mm $ buyout in that third year etc.. We can use our own MLE on Jefferies after we sign a player.

I am with you here BRIGGS. I only trade DLee and/or Nate for no brainers. If not then sign them and complement them with better players. DLee is 1 defensive center from solidifying that front court. Nate is a super sub.

I think its more complicated than that with Lee. I don't think we can run our offense if we have Lee and a center who can't shoot out there on the floor. Whenever we start games with Lee and Jeffries its hard enough, and it would be even more difficult to score if we had a defensive center out there.

I don't know, maybe we could try to sign Villanueva. That would compliment Lee better than most. Sheed would be ideal if you could get him for the MLE. If you could do that I'd try to keep Lee. If not, I'd try to move him in a sign and trade for picks.

Nate is our most talented player by a wide margin, but he's so hard to control on a team that defers to him instead of maintaining a normal offense when he's in the game. I think he should be moved for picks too. Chandler and Gallo would develop a lot better without Nate on the team.

I think this draft will end up being packed with talented players because of the economy. Nobody's going to wait to enter the 2010 draft.

I'd rather see MikeD and Donnie build a team from scratch in their image than try to make Isiah's miracle picks work somehow. Its amazing what Isiah got with those late picks in Nate/Lee/Chandler, but we need to install players better suited to the system instead of trying to patch it together.

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TMS
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3/11/2009  12:14 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by TMS:

i still like my original plan:

- sign & trade D Lee for an expiring & a top 8 lottery pick
- take Jordan Hill & Demar Derozan w/our 2 lottery picks
- buy an extra late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder & draft a defensive G (Darren Collison)
- trade Q Rich's expiring, cash & DEN's 2nd rounder for Marcus Camby
- start Nate at PG & showcase him for a possible trade deadline deal next season

C - Camby / Fishlips / Curry
PF - Harrington / Hill
SF - Chandler / Gallo
SG - Hughes / Derozan
PG - Nate / Duhon / Collison
(slot in the expiring contract gotten in the D Lee trade whereever he fits)

IMO that team will win be a lot better than this year's team because of the added 2 shotblocking presences down low while not suffering at all on the offensive or rebounding end, & it will be keeping the 2010 plan well w/in sight... that team would also be rich in young talent to make possible deals with in case some team approaches us w/an offer for someone Donnie might covet.

by the end of the season if Hill & Derozan pan out u can have a fine young 1-2 tandem to build around along w/the cap space to sign another max FA to match them up with, not to mention Gallo & Chandler.

no way we're getting Camby for a #2 pick and Q
trading a #2 and Q without taking salary back is going to get you a ham sandwich

the Clippers got Camby in a trade for a 2nd round pick swap rights in 2010... basically they got him for nothing & this coming off a year where Camby was a viable MVP candidate... we can absolutely get him for what i proposed.
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kingofelpaso
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3/11/2009  12:15 PM
I'm all for trying to sign Villanueva. He's a much better fit in this system than Lee.

If we sign Villaneuva, is it worth keeping Lee around?
TMS
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3/11/2009  12:27 PM
we already have Villanueva... his name's Al Harrington.
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JohnWallace44
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3/11/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by kingofelpaso:

I'm all for trying to sign Villanueva. He's a much better fit in this system than Lee.

If we sign Villaneuva, is it worth keeping Lee around?

good question... should just sign Sheed and trade Lee away. He would be a super NY player. I don't care how old he is.
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LivingLegend
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3/11/2009  12:39 PM
Posted by TMS:

we already have Villanueva... his name's Al Harrington.


Well in that case we already have Carmello Anthony -- his name is Al Harrington.

Melo is a ME player that is strictly a one dimensional scorer. He rebounds ok, defends poorly and doesn't lead his team.
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3/11/2009  2:04 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by TMS:

we already have Villanueva... his name's Al Harrington.


Well in that case we already have Carmello Anthony -- his name is Al Harrington.

Melo is a ME player that is strictly a one dimensional scorer. He rebounds ok, defends poorly and doesn't lead his team.

He sure did lead Syracuse.
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TMS
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3/11/2009  2:20 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by TMS:

we already have Villanueva... his name's Al Harrington.


Well in that case we already have Carmello Anthony -- his name is Al Harrington.

Melo is a ME player that is strictly a one dimensional scorer. He rebounds ok, defends poorly and doesn't lead his team.

ur kidding me w/that Melo to Charlie V comparison, aren't u? please tell me u are... Charlie V is the same level player that Al Harrington is & they both do the same things on the court... there's absolutely no reason to target a player like Charlie V as long as we have Harrington on the roster.
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Summer Trades Involving Lee and / or Nate

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