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3/13/2009  12:02 AM
thru 6 games in March Wade is averaging 37pts 6rebs 10.7 assts 3.5stls and 1 blk while shooting 57% fr the field 53% fr 3pt and 78% fr the line

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3/14/2009  9:35 PM
He did it again.

Miami beats Utah in 3OT. Wade finishes with 50-10-9.
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3/14/2009  10:01 PM
i'd like to remind everyone that during the olympics, not that this is a huge shock, you could see that wade was healthy, and that i was one of thos suggesting again how much of an amazing player he is, and how people were a bit short sided to hate on the guy.

he was the best player then, all over the court, with indelible intensity.

i would LOVE to have him on the knicks.

this injury knock, i feel, is played out.

has he been hurt this year despite playing like a man possessed?

lebron is amazing, but wade became my favorite player in the nba over the summer.

[Edited by - PresIke on 03-14-2009 10:02 PM]
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3/14/2009  10:40 PM
Wade, in my opinion, is on the same plane as just about anyone in the league. He's a guy who wills his team to win, along the lines of what Jordan did. He makes the right play - he scores, he makes the smart pass, he draws fouls, he gets steals or blocks.

We saw him dismantle the Knicks. That's just what he does with all teams he faces. If we think Nate's been hot, Wade's been on another planet.

If we could sign him in 2010, he'd instantly be our top shot blocking threat. :) He's about as complete a player as there is in the league.
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3/14/2009  11:06 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by sebstar:

makes that thread from a couple of days ago about Wade seem silly. If the Heat do anything, its going to be hard to deny, duke. He's doing it all by himself and having a ridiculous year. But they'll probably go safe and give it to Kobe.

No, it does not.
He scored 50 prior to that thread and got his ass packed in did he not?
He slacks against the Knicks until big bad Gallo, a rookie, hands him an inadvertant elbow, and then he decides to play hard?
Then a night later LeBron comes in and shuts his ass down again.

So, no, seb, anything said against Wade is purely legit points of view. He's a whiny primadonna.

Would I welcome him on the Knicks? Of course. Do I buy into all his BS? Not a chance.... why do you?


Lebron and Kobe are having a year just as good, heck lebron has 3straight games with a triple double.. and both he and Kobe's teams are the best in the league..

I don't get it with this WADE mania, if you are not sucking wade off, because you don't think he is the best player in the leauge, then you are a hater, not an observer, or a critic, but a hater...plus the very obnoxious behavior by the wade lobbyist is just a bit over the top...
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3/14/2009  11:21 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Dwight? Really, now we are going to put Dwight over Wade. I am not a huge fan of Lebron so it is easy for me to put Wade over him. I am still anxious to see how Lebron plays when his athleticism fails him. Wade is clutch like Kobe. Wade is doing the same thing that Kobe did pre Gasol and post Shaq but more effectively. He won't be looking to pass up an open shot to a player at the end of games like Lebron. I love Paul but he wishes he can shoot like Wade. Deron Williams at this point doesn't belong in the conversation.

Dwight? Really


yea... really, he is a monster..


I am not a huge fan of Lebron so it is easy for me to put Wade over him. I am still anxious to see how Lebron plays when his athleticism fails him

lebron is great, took his team to the finals, and didn't have a shaq, or mourning.. He is healthy every year and has improved every year... He is the better player.. I would suspect that when his athleticism leaves him he will do the same thing you probably will say wade will do when his leaves... adjust..

Wade is clutch like Kobe

LOL.. and lebron isn't? Oke dokee

Wade is doing the same thing that Kobe did pre Gasol and post Shaq but more effectively.

wade team doesn't play in the tougher west either...
He won't be looking to pass up an open shot to a player at the end of games like Lebron

oh, like lebron did with that game winner at the buzzer vs GS.. but you are right, I mean lebron's way sucks, I mean playing HIS way, his team only has 52 wins, while wade, playing his way has led his team to 36 wins.... funny thing is, wade's team is closer to raptors, than they are to lebron's team...


I love Paul but he wishes he can shoot like Wade. Deron Williams at this point doesn't belong in the conversation.

ROFL...... It is fair to say that wade shoots less jumpers than paul does I think... Paul shoots 50% from the field and 34% from three.. Wade 49% and 31% from three... as you were saying????

Deron.. I am not a huge fan of deron, but I respect that kids game.. his team was without boozer for a long time, playing in the west and they have more wins than wade's team, plus recently a 12 game winning streak....

That post was.... interesting, to say the least...






[Edited by - tkf on 14-03-2009 11:23 PM]
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3/15/2009  3:29 AM
tkf, I think you been hanging out with your pal trueblue a little too much.

I won't go into a full detail like you did but I think Wade is a better player than Lebron because he can be counted on to take the last shot in the final seconds of a game. Lebron can be counted on traveling to a last second shot, got to make sure those "crab dribbles" are legal. When the refs aren't respecting Lebron, he is dead in the water. I seen it in the Lakers, Rockets and Orlando game this year alone. He can't turn to his reliable jumper because he doesn't have one. Instead he tries to force the issue until it gets messsy. Lebron is a great player but I don't rank him above Wade.

LOL, Dwight isn't in my conversation until he gets past the 2nd round of the playoffs. Sorry but I have my criteria and that's a big one. He is a great rising superstar but he hasn't really accomplished anything in this league yet.

Yes, I agree Paul can get to the basket and layup them in with the best of them.??? Shooter, no but penetrator, yes.

Don't get why you posted anything about Deron since you start off by saying you not a huge fan of his game. I said Deron isn't in the conversation because statwise he shouldn't be and I can make a case for Mehmet being the MVP on that team.
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3/15/2009  5:02 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

tkf, I think you been hanging out with your pal trueblue a little too much.

I won't go into a full detail like you did but I think Wade is a better player than Lebron because he can be counted on to take the last shot in the final seconds of a game. Lebron can be counted on traveling to a last second shot, got to make sure those "crab dribbles" are legal. When the refs aren't respecting Lebron, he is dead in the water. I seen it in the Lakers, Rockets and Orlando game this year alone. He can't turn to his reliable jumper because he doesn't have one. Instead he tries to force the issue until it gets messsy. Lebron is a great player but I don't rank him above Wade.

LOL, Dwight isn't in my conversation until he gets past the 2nd round of the playoffs. Sorry but I have my criteria and that's a big one. He is a great rising superstar but he hasn't really accomplished anything in this league yet.

Yes, I agree Paul can get to the basket and layup them in with the best of them.??? Shooter, no but penetrator, yes.

Don't get why you posted anything about Deron since you start off by saying you not a huge fan of his game. I said Deron isn't in the conversation because statwise he shouldn't be and I can make a case for Mehmet being the MVP on that team.


I can't believe you are talking about lebron and refs when for their careers wade shoots more FT's per game.. and when you take into account that the guy shot more FT's in the finals last two games by himself than the whole mavs team, you really have no beef here with lebron...

The last shot thing is ridiculous. Michael jordan won championships by using the threat of him scoring to find guys like Kerr and paxon open to hit game winning shots.. wasn't it kerr that hit the game winner for the bulls on a pass from Jordan? Being great is not just about hitting the last shot, but making great plays in big moments... for instance, larry bird with the steal and pass to DJ vs the pistons for the win, I thought that is what greatness is all about... No disrespect, but your argument on that basis is very weak..

check out this link http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htmit gives its criteria for game winning shots, how it comes up with its numbers, pretty interesting... wade is 11 on the list.. and Lebron #1

so again, I think you need to tune into some cavs games..

As far as deron williams goes.. Do I need to like a player to acknowledge he is good? I mentioned deron because you dismissed him and honestly, he has been carrying a team out west, with it's other star player injured, he is having a great year, his team is playing better than wades and they won 12 straight just recently and he has been the key factor.... I do think it is 3 horse race tho, with wade trailing of course for obvious reasons.. His teams record is just not good enough....

Dwight? so he can't be MVP because his team didn't make it out of the second round in his young career? OK, yet he has his team 12 games better than miami, yet wade is a candidate? this is not about past years performances, wade and the heat have not been relevant since shaq left, and I am sorry wade won a ring with shaq, I don't care if shaq was 70% or 100%.... put a 70% shaq of 3 or 4 years ago with a player like lebron, or chris paul and they are in the finals winning a ring....





















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3/15/2009  6:55 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Dwight? Really, now we are going to put Dwight over Wade. I am not a huge fan of Lebron so it is easy for me to put Wade over him. I am still anxious to see how Lebron plays when his athleticism fails him. Wade is clutch like Kobe. Wade is doing the same thing that Kobe did pre Gasol and post Shaq but more effectively. He won't be looking to pass up an open shot to a player at the end of games like Lebron. I love Paul but he wishes he can shoot like Wade. Deron Williams at this point doesn't belong in the conversation.

Yep. I do.

Kobe
LeBron
Dwight
Paul
Deron
Duncan(Only down this far because of age).

Now you can start talking about placing Wade. Starting at #7. Which might belong to Melo IMO.

your ****ing nuts
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3/15/2009  7:48 AM
tkf, you are jumping all over the place, please reread the original post you address. It wasn't about being the MVP. It was ranking of players based on a follow up to Cosmic post. That is another conversation regarding MVP honors.
Posted by Cosmic:


He is a good player I'm certainly not disputing that but as you allude to he's a second tier star. He's not on the level of the big boys. Dwight, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron. He's just not there no matter what he says. Heck, I'd take Paul and Deron over him as well. So right there that's six.

Again, is he a top 10 player in the NBA? Quite possibly if not probably. He's just not top 3 like he thinks he is. Not even close.

Still a damn good player though just being technical here. He might be in Barkley's fave five...but not mine.

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3/15/2009  12:35 PM
Miami is now 1 1/2 games behind Atlanta for the 4th seed (coincidentally the comparable Raptors are 15 games behind Atlanta for the 4th seed).

Heat need 14 of the next 17 to win 50.

Toronto needs 10 of the next 16 to avoid losing 50.

Wade for the month of March updated:

GP MIN FGM  FGA   FG%  3PT%  FT% OFF DEF REB ASST STL BLK TO  PF PTS 

7 42.6 14.0 25.3 .554 .487 .795 2.0 4.7 6.7 10.4 3.6 1.1 4.57 1.4 39.0


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3/15/2009  4:01 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

tkf, you are jumping all over the place, please reread the original post you address. It wasn't about being the MVP. It was ranking of players based on a follow up to Cosmic post. That is another conversation regarding MVP honors.
Posted by Cosmic:


He is a good player I'm certainly not disputing that but as you allude to he's a second tier star. He's not on the level of the big boys. Dwight, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron. He's just not there no matter what he says. Heck, I'd take Paul and Deron over him as well. So right there that's six.

Again, is he a top 10 player in the NBA? Quite possibly if not probably. He's just not top 3 like he thinks he is. Not even close.

Still a damn good player though just being technical here. He might be in Barkley's fave five...but not mine.


am I really all over the place? but hey, OK, will stick with the MVP race....I still think wade is third(for reasons I highlighted in previous posts) and I also feel that paul who has his team in the 5th spot out west without a powerhouse cast to help him out is also noteworthy... I would also put his name in the hat as well....

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3/15/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by McK1:

Miami is now 1 1/2 games behind Atlanta for the 4th seed (coincidentally the comparable Raptors are 15 games behind Atlanta for the 4th seed).

Heat need 14 of the next 17 to win 50.

Toronto needs 10 of the next 16 to avoid losing 50.

Wade for the month of March updated:

GP MIN FGM  FGA   FG%  3PT%  FT% OFF DEF REB ASST STL BLK TO  PF PTS 

7 42.6 14.0 25.3 .554 .487 .795 2.0 4.7 6.7 10.4 3.6 1.1 4.57 1.4 39.0


Man remember at the beginning of the season posts about Bosh being the MVP. Another example of why you don't give out awards early in the season. Totally off-topic here is Bryan Colangelo in any trouble up there? He has been taking some real heat about the team he put together.
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3/15/2009  4:43 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Pharzeone:

tkf, you are jumping all over the place, please reread the original post you address. It wasn't about being the MVP. It was ranking of players based on a follow up to Cosmic post. That is another conversation regarding MVP honors.
Posted by Cosmic:


He is a good player I'm certainly not disputing that but as you allude to he's a second tier star. He's not on the level of the big boys. Dwight, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron. He's just not there no matter what he says. Heck, I'd take Paul and Deron over him as well. So right there that's six.

Again, is he a top 10 player in the NBA? Quite possibly if not probably. He's just not top 3 like he thinks he is. Not even close.

Still a damn good player though just being technical here. He might be in Barkley's fave five...but not mine.


am I really all over the place? but hey, OK, will stick with the MVP race....I still think wade is third(for reasons I highlighted in previous posts) and I also feel that paul who has his team in the 5th spot out west without a powerhouse cast to help him out is also noteworthy... I would also put his name in the hat as well....

As far as MVP goes, I think right now it is Lebron's to lose. I can't see Kobe getting it with what Gasol is doing this season. Wade is in the conversation for MVP for me. Also, I think Parker should get some press. I know he missed alot of games but he has quietly moved into MVP on his team IMHO.
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3/15/2009  5:14 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by McK1:

Miami is now 1 1/2 games behind Atlanta for the 4th seed (coincidentally the comparable Raptors are 15 games behind Atlanta for the 4th seed).

Heat need 14 of the next 17 to win 50.

Toronto needs 10 of the next 16 to avoid losing 50.

Wade for the month of March updated:

GP MIN FGM  FGA   FG%  3PT%  FT% OFF DEF REB ASST STL BLK TO  PF PTS 

7 42.6 14.0 25.3 .554 .487 .795 2.0 4.7 6.7 10.4 3.6 1.1 4.57 1.4 39.0


Man remember at the beginning of the season posts about Bosh being the MVP. Another example of why you don't give out awards early in the season. Totally off-topic here is Bryan Colangelo in any trouble up there? He has been taking some real heat about the team he put together.

nope. colangelo is making their owners $$$. this has been a disaster of a season. but two consecutive playoff appearances and his #1 pick is playing like an allstar. he gambled with jermaine and failed. this will be an interesting summer for him. but there's no need for him to be in trouble up there. he's still one of the best gm's around. he's no different than dumars.
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wade won't win it because of team record which is more than fair criteria because despite kobe and lebron's teams being much better on paper, guys still have to go out and perform.

beyond that Kobe is still the NBA's best player

as far as Wade vs James the edge as of right now goes to Wade.

Wade is equal to or better than Lebron in mostly evry facet of the game. Lebron has the edge in court vision but Wade's notably superior mid-range game trumps Lebron's slight edge in passing.

btw Lebron's 3rd trip doub was orchestrated in very much the same fashion as Strahan's 22nd sac. Those last couple rebounds were the result of teammates and opponents alike making a conscious effort to move out of the way so he can get the ball.

nothing wrong with that but if we're sullying Wade's championship by throwing a broken down Shaq in there as if he were a real factor and not mention that he had to not only put a broken down Shaq on his back but also a broken down J williams and fat Toine as well vs the heavily favored Mavs then we might as well view everything of note under the same rediculous microscope
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by McK1:

Miami is now 1 1/2 games behind Atlanta for the 4th seed (coincidentally the comparable Raptors are 15 games behind Atlanta for the 4th seed).

Heat need 14 of the next 17 to win 50.

Toronto needs 10 of the next 16 to avoid losing 50.

Wade for the month of March updated:

GP MIN FGM  FGA   FG%  3PT%  FT% OFF DEF REB ASST STL BLK TO  PF PTS 

7 42.6 14.0 25.3 .554 .487 .795 2.0 4.7 6.7 10.4 3.6 1.1 4.57 1.4 39.0


Man remember at the beginning of the season posts about Bosh being the MVP. Another example of why you don't give out awards early in the season. Totally off-topic here is Bryan Colangelo in any trouble up there? He has been taking some real heat about the team he put together.

nope. colangelo is making their owners $$$. this has been a disaster of a season. but two consecutive playoff appearances and his #1 pick is playing like an allstar. he gambled with jermaine and failed. this will be an interesting summer for him. but there's no need for him to be in trouble up there. he's still one of the best gm's around. he's no different than dumars.

He has been taking heat on the internet and talk radio from my understanding. I wouldn't think he would be in too much trouble with the organization though. BTW, with those two consecutive playoff appearances weren't they suppose to do more than just get there? Joe is facing similar criticisms about his team though. I wonder with Davidson's death how long Dumars stays if the Pistons don't have a good playoff run.
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3/15/2009  6:37 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Pharzeone:

tkf, you are jumping all over the place, please reread the original post you address. It wasn't about being the MVP. It was ranking of players based on a follow up to Cosmic post. That is another conversation regarding MVP honors.
Posted by Cosmic:


He is a good player I'm certainly not disputing that but as you allude to he's a second tier star. He's not on the level of the big boys. Dwight, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron. He's just not there no matter what he says. Heck, I'd take Paul and Deron over him as well. So right there that's six.

Again, is he a top 10 player in the NBA? Quite possibly if not probably. He's just not top 3 like he thinks he is. Not even close.

Still a damn good player though just being technical here. He might be in Barkley's fave five...but not mine.


am I really all over the place? but hey, OK, will stick with the MVP race....I still think wade is third(for reasons I highlighted in previous posts) and I also feel that paul who has his team in the 5th spot out west without a powerhouse cast to help him out is also noteworthy... I would also put his name in the hat as well....

As far as MVP goes, I think right now it is Lebron's to lose. I can't see Kobe getting it with what Gasol is doing this season. Wade is in the conversation for MVP for me. Also, I think Parker should get some press. I know he missed alot of games but he has quietly moved into MVP on his team IMHO.


interesting take on parker.. someone mentioned that and they felt that they would get laughed at, but quietly the spurs have 44wins and parker has been the key to that teams success.. I am not the biggest parker fan, but this year, he has been impressive.. good call on parker....
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