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3/9/2009  3:16 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by islesfan:

Chris Duhon was always a backup PG in this league. Only those who made him out to be a whole lot more based on nothing but inflated statistics are puzzled or disappointed by his regression toward the mean.

In other words you agree with nixluva.

That depends. Are we talking about the nixluva who sang Duhon's praises earlier this year or the nixluva who is backtracking now?
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3/9/2009  6:07 PM
"We wore him out,'' D'Antoni said. "He played through a lot of injuries, didn't have a lot of help, seven guys sometimes. It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.''

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2009/03/maybe_its_mikes.html

MDA agrees with martice and eny:

"Duhon is a system PG. Once you figure out the system, you figure him out. He brings nothing else in terms of sheer ability so if you neutralize the system, you neutralize him."

"Kinda pro athelete is he if he can't play the game for 82 games?"

Yr 5 and he is still hitting the rookie wall. This may incur the wrath of nixapologist but Duhon ****ing sucks!!! There is no more to it.


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3/9/2009  7:11 PM
Posted by McK1:
"We wore him out,'' D'Antoni said. "He played through a lot of injuries, didn't have a lot of help, seven guys sometimes. It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.''

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2009/03/maybe_its_mikes.html

MDA agrees with martice and eny:

"Duhon is a system PG. Once you figure out the system, you figure him out. He brings nothing else in terms of sheer ability so if you neutralize the system, you neutralize him."

"Kinda pro athelete is he if he can't play the game for 82 games?"

Yr 5 and he is still hitting the rookie wall. This may incur the wrath of nixapologist but Duhon ****ing sucks!!! There is no more to it.

i dunno what u think ur reading there but MDA never says anything about Duhon being a system PG... he just mentions that Duhon maybe burnt out, which other people have been trying to say the past couple days also.
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3/9/2009  7:17 PM


I don't even remember this guy dunking this season....

anyway...peep what I found!!! A Duhon sucks forum!!!

http://www.talk-sports.net/nba/sucks.aspx/Chris_Duhon
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Posted by EnySpree:



I don't even remember this guy dunking this season....

oh big deal. he's dunking on a couple of . . . . EUROS!!!!!!
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3/9/2009  8:56 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:
"We wore him out,'' D'Antoni said. "He played through a lot of injuries, didn't have a lot of help, seven guys sometimes. It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.''

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2009/03/maybe_its_mikes.html

MDA agrees with martice and eny:

"He brings nothing else in terms of sheer ability so if you neutralize the system, you neutralize him."

"Kinda pro athelete is he if he can't play the game for 82 games?"

Yr 5 and he is still hitting the rookie wall. This may incur the wrath of nixapologist but Duhon ****ing sucks!!! There is no more to it.

i dunno what u think ur reading there but MDA never says anything about Duhon being a system PG... he just mentions that Duhon maybe burnt out, which other people have been trying to say the past couple days also.

Fixed it for you. Saying he is a system pg is giving him too much credit anyways.

and i don't know what you read but there is alot more there than he is just burnt out from minutes
It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.
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3/9/2009  10:03 PM
It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.

uh dude, that implies the fact that he's not at 100% physically... meaning he's burnt out from playing big minutes all year & through injuries, as the earlier quote specifically pointed out.

u must still be upset we signed Duhon to replace ur boy Marbury i guess.
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3/9/2009  10:45 PM
Posted by TMS:
It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.

uh dude, that implies the fact that he's not at 100% physically... meaning he's burnt out from playing big minutes all year & through injuries, as the earlier quote specifically pointed out.

u must still be upset we signed Duhon to replace ur boy Marbury i guess.

or it could mean MDA thinks he's a fat **** and thats why he is worn out.

MDA: I had 30 someting Steve Nash ran my team at a pace at least 3 times quicker than Dudu and did it at an all NBA level out in the West for 4 years (1 without Amare) straight with a bad back that caused him to lay out courtside and stretch during games.

meanwhile 26 yr old relatively injury free Duhon is "gassed" after 40 games.

If you believe MDA is strictly seeing this as oh I played him too many minutes, then may I invite you over to my website http://www.usbridgesforabuck.comso you can peruse my selection.
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3/9/2009  11:25 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:
"We wore him out,'' D'Antoni said. "He played through a lot of injuries, didn't have a lot of help, seven guys sometimes. It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.''

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2009/03/maybe_its_mikes.html

MDA agrees with martice and eny:

"Duhon is a system PG. Once you figure out the system, you figure him out. He brings nothing else in terms of sheer ability so if you neutralize the system, you neutralize him."

"Kinda pro athelete is he if he can't play the game for 82 games?"

Yr 5 and he is still hitting the rookie wall. This may incur the wrath of nixapologist but Duhon ****ing sucks!!! There is no more to it.

i dunno what u think ur reading there but MDA never says anything about Duhon being a system PG... he just mentions that Duhon maybe burnt out, which other people have been trying to say the past couple days also.

Hi TMS. Long time no see. Well in regards to MDA and what he said, I don't care what MD said because Duhon was a system PG before he came to the Knicks. Duhon was a system PG before he became a pro. Duhon was a system PG in College. I bet he was a system PG in High School and guess what... He is a system PG now. He is not a scoring PG. He is not an athletic PG. He is not a defensive PG. He is not a rebounding PG. He is simply a PG that will run your plays and pass the ball. Take that away or even make it difficult for him to run his plays and what do you have with Duhon?

NUFFIN and that's exactly what he is giving us now. Tired or not!

Do you see something different?
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3/9/2009  11:32 PM
This guy is turning the ball over in the begining of a games, and down the stretch in he clutch. How could anyone give this guy a pass. What do you have to be other then smart not to do that.

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3/10/2009  1:01 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by TMS:
It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.

uh dude, that implies the fact that he's not at 100% physically... meaning he's burnt out from playing big minutes all year & through injuries, as the earlier quote specifically pointed out.

u must still be upset we signed Duhon to replace ur boy Marbury i guess.

or it could mean MDA thinks he's a fat **** and thats why he is worn out.

MDA: I had 30 someting Steve Nash ran my team at a pace at least 3 times quicker than Dudu and did it at an all NBA level out in the West for 4 years (1 without Amare) straight with a bad back that caused him to lay out courtside and stretch during games.

meanwhile 26 yr old relatively injury free Duhon is "gassed" after 40 games.

If you believe MDA is strictly seeing this as oh I played him too many minutes, then may I invite you over to my website http://www.usbridgesforabuck.comso you can peruse my selection.

no need to get stupid... i take words at face value, i don't derive my own interpretations like u do... go ahead & keep thinking MDA's dissing his own player here, i completely disagree w/u.
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3/10/2009  1:03 AM
Posted by Martice:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:
"We wore him out,'' D'Antoni said. "He played through a lot of injuries, didn't have a lot of help, seven guys sometimes. It could be he's not sharp enough physically. To be honest with you, he has to be sharp physically to be real good because he doesn't have an abundance of athleticism.''

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2009/03/maybe_its_mikes.html

MDA agrees with martice and eny:

"Duhon is a system PG. Once you figure out the system, you figure him out. He brings nothing else in terms of sheer ability so if you neutralize the system, you neutralize him."

"Kinda pro athelete is he if he can't play the game for 82 games?"

Yr 5 and he is still hitting the rookie wall. This may incur the wrath of nixapologist but Duhon ****ing sucks!!! There is no more to it.

i dunno what u think ur reading there but MDA never says anything about Duhon being a system PG... he just mentions that Duhon maybe burnt out, which other people have been trying to say the past couple days also.

Hi TMS. Long time no see. Well in regards to MDA and what he said, I don't care what MD said

what MDA said is what i'm discussing here
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3/10/2009  1:37 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by islesfan:

Chris Duhon was always a backup PG in this league. Only those who made him out to be a whole lot more based on nothing but inflated statistics are puzzled or disappointed by his regression toward the mean.

In other words you agree with nixluva.

That depends. Are we talking about the nixluva who sang Duhon's praises earlier this year or the nixluva who is backtracking now?

I figured someone would eventually try to make it seem like I'm backtracking. At the start of the year a lot of people bashed Duhon in preseason when he was struggling, they felt that backed up their claim that he stunk and would fail as a starting PG. Then everyone who said that had to SHUT THE FREAK UP, when he basically shoved it in their faces and played far better than expected. Duhon did his job and did it well.

Then we burn the guy out. The Knicks knew Duhon was being pushed too hard earlier in the year, but they asked him to play thru a bad back and other injuries. Remember he missed some time when his back really tightened up on him and now LAME ASS guys like you are back to kick him when he's fallen back to earth. NO ONE said anything about Duhon being some great player. The only thing I or anyone else who supported him ever said was that he was playing well, so how is it backtracking now to remind everyone what we all know he was to start with? I'm only saying now that part of his struggles are from not only physical fatigue, but MENTAL fatigue. He was asked to carry too much weight for too long and it caught up with him.
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by islesfan:

Chris Duhon was always a backup PG in this league. Only those who made him out to be a whole lot more based on nothing but inflated statistics are puzzled or disappointed by his regression toward the mean.

In other words you agree with nixluva.

That depends. Are we talking about the nixluva who sang Duhon's praises earlier this year or the nixluva who is backtracking now?

I figured someone would eventually try to make it seem like I'm backtracking. At the start of the year a lot of people bashed Duhon in preseason when he was struggling, they felt that backed up their claim that he stunk and would fail as a starting PG. Then everyone who said that had to SHUT THE FREAK UP, when he basically shoved it in their faces and played far better than expected. Duhon did his job and did it well.

Then we burn the guy out. The Knicks knew Duhon was being pushed too hard earlier in the year, but they asked him to play thru a bad back and other injuries. Remember he missed some time when his back really tightened up on him and now LAME ASS guys like you are back to kick him when he's fallen back to earth. NO ONE said anything about Duhon being some great player. The only thing I or anyone else who supported him ever said was that he was playing well, so how is it backtracking now to remind everyone what we all know he was to start with? I'm only saying now that part of his struggles are from not only physical fatigue, but MENTAL fatigue. He was asked to carry too much weight for too long and it caught up with him.

Teams see beyond the gimmick offense and that has hurt his play. Mental fatigue? The guy is not a 20 year old rookie like Gallo or even a 21 year old second year player like Chandler. The guy is 26 years old, a 5 year NBA veteran who played 4 years at Duke. Mental fatigue shouldn't be in the converstation. Try another excuse else because that stuff doesn't fly.
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3/10/2009  8:43 AM
Posted by TMS:



no need to get stupid... i take words at face value, i don't derive my own interpretations like u do... go ahead & keep thinking MDA's dissing his own player here, i completely disagree w/u.

well according to the NYTimes

D’Antoni called out Duhon in the locker room after Saturday’s loss to Charlotte and reminded all of the starters that their playing time was not guaranteed.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/sports/basketball/10knicks.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

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3/10/2009  9:12 AM
that's nice... it's no secret he's been playing badly of late but what does that have to do w/this debate? MDA said Duhon's struggling because he thinks he's burnt out & supported that statement by saying Duhon needs to be at peak health to be good because he's not athletic enough to overcome not being at his peak performance level... how on Earth u derive the meaning that he thinks his own starting PG sucks from that statement is beyond me... i guess ur boy Marbury woulda been doing so much better this year for us.
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3/10/2009  9:38 AM
Posted by TMS:

that's nice... it's no secret he's been playing badly of late but what does that have to do w/this debate? MDA said Duhon's struggling because he thinks he's burnt out & supported that statement by saying Duhon needs to be at peak health to be good because he's not athletic enough to overcome not being at his peak performance level... how on Earth u derive the meaning that he thinks his own starting PG sucks from that statement is beyond me... i guess ur boy Marbury woulda been doing so much better this year for us.

is it really that hard to defend Duhon on his own merits that you have to keep bringing up Steph?

And MDA said nothig about his HEALTH being poor.

he said he is not sharp enough physically. Now you can keep apologizing for Duhon however if that had been said about Steph the presiding train of thought here would be he is in piss poor shape.

Really dunno why Du is being defended here when the same type of fluctuation in play happened in Chi with less minutes and playing at a much slower pace. He is not extremely skilled nor is he a well conditioned athlete nor does he have the athleticism to compensate for it and he gets exposed as the season wears on.

to his credit shooting the 3 is Duhon's one skill. And when the game is on the line he'd rather chuck 30 foot 3's then even try and overcome his weaknesses and make a play. Yes Steph can has and would have done better than that.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-03-2009 09:39 AM]
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3/10/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by TMS:

that's nice... it's no secret he's been playing badly of late but what does that have to do w/this debate? MDA said Duhon's struggling because he thinks he's burnt out & supported that statement by saying Duhon needs to be at peak health to be good because he's not athletic enough to overcome not being at his peak performance level... how on Earth u derive the meaning that he thinks his own starting PG sucks from that statement is beyond me... i guess ur boy Marbury woulda been doing so much better this year for us.

At this time of year, most athletes are dinged up and worn down. Yeah Duhon played a lot of minutes but being a point guard he should be conditioned for this type of play. If he is not in condition to play, get him outta there. If he is "burnt out" then sit his arse down. Simple right?

As far as what Danny Boy has to say, you have to take that with a grain of salt just like what Danny boy didn't say. All we can do as fans, since we don't have access to the locker room, is trust what we see during the game, use what we know about basketball in general and discuss it in these forums. Coach speak it what it is. Coach speak. So the fact that Danny Boy according to you said "Duhon needs to be at peak health to be good" is an indictment in itself as to how much of a scrub he is.

So I will say again, Duhon's play is no different than the way he played in College. He is a prototypical Dukie. All system and no game. Being fundamentally sound is a good thing but if you don't excel at any other aspect of the game you are doomed to fail.

Du Du's problem is he doesn't have any other aspect of his game that anyone would consider a specialty.

Once you take away the X's and O's he is toast.









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3/10/2009  2:14 PM
Duhon is a back up PG playing starters minutes. This is normally what happens to back-ups when they get extended minutes. Their weaknesses are exposed. That's why they are back-ups. The man has exceeded my expectations and I am very happy with the effort he has given us this year and am not going to kill myself being upset with his play. Our PG of the future is probably not on this roster
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Posted by Bippity10:

Duhon is a back up PG playing starters minutes. This is normally what happens to back-ups when they get extended minutes. Their weaknesses are exposed. That's why they are back-ups. The man has exceeded my expectations and I am very happy with the effort he has given us this year and am not going to kill myself being upset with his play. Our PG of the future is probably not on this roster

my God, if it weren't for u i would probably have gone insane a long time ago arguing w/these mamalukes.
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