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3/5/2009  5:05 PM
Ok, rag on my astrology, but for **** and giggles, here is what I was talking about with Gallo and the scientific study (Rag on the study):
http://astrosport.blogspot.com/2007/05/mars-mars-marsall-you-need-is-mars.html

Gallo has the bolded parts in his chart. He has a lot going on with Mars. He will succeed, it is written in the stars. (Just have to find out what to check on for injuries...)

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So what’s a “prominent Mars?” Well, that can vary from chart to chart and from astrologer to astrologer. Mars in a sign of its own rulership (Aries and Scorpio traditionally) or one conjunct one of the four angles of a chart (especially the Ascendant or Mid-heaven angles) would be considered fairly strong. Likewise, a heavily aspected Mars (that is, one that makes tight angles with other planets) or a Mars that is aspected by the Sun or some of the “heavy hitter” planets (Saturn, Uranus, Pluto) might also be considered prominent.


A French psychologist and statistician by the name of Michel Gauquelin (interesting side note: born November 13th, he shares both my birthday and my interest in psychology and statistics!) conducted some fairly interesting research with regard to astrology. Originally attempting to show that astrology had no basis in scientific fact, he found that professional athletes had a higher proportion of Mars located in what astrologers consider to be the 4th quadrant of the zodiac (that is houses 10, 11, and 12) and also the 9th house (the house immediately preceding the Mid-heaven and the 4th quadrant). He called this the “Mars Effect” and while it has been disputed and debated, it’s interesting to consider. Some astrologers thing of the 4th quadrant as a person’s “objective view of self;” that is, how they feel they show up in the world. It would only make sense that a person with Mars in the 4th quadrant considers themselves a type of competitor in the world (whether professionally or by identity).


[Edited by - earthmansurfer on 03-05-2009 5:11 PM]
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3/5/2009  5:16 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Ok, rag on my astrology, but for **** and giggles, here is what I was talking about with Gallo and the scientific study (Rag on the study):
http://astrosport.blogspot.com/2007/05/mars-mars-marsall-you-need-is-mars.html

Gallo has the bolded parts in his chart. He has a lot going on with Mars. He will succeed, it is written in the stars. (Just have to find out what to check on for injuries...)

excerpt:
So what’s a “prominent Mars?” Well, that can vary from chart to chart and from astrologer to astrologer. Mars in a sign of its own rulership (Aries and Scorpio traditionally) or one conjunct one of the four angles of a chart (especially the Ascendant or Mid-heaven angles) would be considered fairly strong. Likewise, a heavily aspected Mars (that is, one that makes tight angles with other planets) or a Mars that is aspected by the Sun or some of the “heavy hitter” planets (Saturn, Uranus, Pluto) might also be considered prominent.


A French psychologist and statistician by the name of Michel Gauquelin (interesting side note: born November 13th, he shares both my birthday and my interest in psychology and statistics!) conducted some fairly interesting research with regard to astrology. Originally attempting to show that astrology had no basis in scientific fact, he found that professional athletes had a higher proportion of Mars located in what astrologers consider to be the 4th quadrant of the zodiac (that is houses 10, 11, and 12) and also the 9th house (the house immediately preceding the Mid-heaven and the 4th quadrant). He called this the “Mars Effect” and while it has been disputed and debated, it’s interesting to consider. Some astrologers thing of the 4th quadrant as a person’s “objective view of self;” that is, how they feel they show up in the world. It would only make sense that a person with Mars in the 4th quadrant considers themselves a type of competitor in the world (whether professionally or by identity).


[Edited by - earthmansurfer on 03-05-2009 5:11 PM]

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3/5/2009  5:55 PM
Posted by sebstar:

hate to say it, but I see a lot of Novitzki in his game

Hate to say it?
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3/5/2009  6:08 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
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hate to say it, but I see a lot of Novitzki in his game

Hate to say it?

Seeing Dirk's game in Gallinari is a wonderful thing.

Seeing Dirk's mentality and lack of toughness in Gallinari would be a disaster.
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3/5/2009  6:19 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by sebstar:

hate to say it, but I see a lot of Novitzki in his game

Hate to say it?

Want to try to resist comparing a cat whose just starting to an All-league player. At this point, all Gallo has done is make a few shots, but ol' boy has a ton of talent. He's going to be a big key to our future. H
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3/5/2009  6:58 PM
Questioning Dirk's toughness and ability to lead?

the team Dirk took to the 2006 Finals had no other 20 pt scorers and only 4 guys avg double figures. Terry at 17 Howard, 15, Stack, 13, and Daniels 10.

Of those other 4 3 of them missed at least 20 games

Guy put that team on his back and they beat a 49, 63, and 54 win team to get to the Finals

shame he'll forever be remembered for Nellie outcoaching Avery in the 07 playoffs. IMO Harris should've been what he is to NJ by that season. 7 shots a game for Devin Harris at that stage of his career was a complete joke.

I believe if Avery had got off his high horse at any time that season leading up to or in the playoffs and unleashed "D All-star" as THEE playmaker off the dribble to free up Dirk and Terry for looks they'd have beat GS that year, probably Utah too

and

Dallas would be sitting pretty right now cause Cuban never even thinks about thinking about making that stupid Kidd trade
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3/5/2009  8:08 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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Has to go the basket more often. He can finish with both hands and knows how to draw a foul. He got to the line a lot in Europe I would like to see him be a little selfish sometimes, like Harrington.

It did seem to me that MDA probably told him to look for his shot more often last night.

I am still constantly impressed by his D in terms of positioning, awareness, and yes, footwork. He even had a nice block on Smith (a foul, though).

I'm not sure if you're inferring it, yet, the last thing you want a guy with a bad back to do is DUNK. It's one of the worst things you can do. Remember Scottie Pippen and his bad back? I think it was in the playoffs they finally got him back, he was balling, he decided to dunk, and he turned into trash for the rest of those playoffs.

I think Gallo is still clearly hurting, you could see him wincing in the 2nd half last night, only to wave off the bench. Yet, he came out, and was clearly stiff.

We don't need to be overextending him. Keep his minutes low no matter the production. There is next year to think about.

Nah... I don't care about dunks, but I do know that he is as good or better than Harrington in using his off hand extending to the basket, and he is very good at getting his shot off or getting fouled on his drives.

You may be right linking the lack of driving to his back issue, although he has not been afraid to take charges and get knocked to the ground.

I would hope that the Knicks medical staff is letting him play with the understanding that he may feel pain, but that his back will not get worse from playing.
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3/5/2009  8:35 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by sebstar:

hate to say it, but I see a lot of Novitzki in his game

Hate to say it?

Want to try to resist comparing a cat whose just starting to an All-league player. At this point, all Gallo has done is make a few shots, but ol' boy has a ton of talent. He's going to be a big key to our future. H

It's too bad that posters have to hide their enthusiasm of this kid because they might be reemed out.
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3/6/2009  10:45 AM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Paladin55:

Has to go the basket more often. He can finish with both hands and knows how to draw a foul. He got to the line a lot in Europe I would like to see him be a little selfish sometimes, like Harrington.

It did seem to me that MDA probably told him to look for his shot more often last night.

I am still constantly impressed by his D in terms of positioning, awareness, and yes, footwork. He even had a nice block on Smith (a foul, though).

I'm not sure if you're inferring it, yet, the last thing you want a guy with a bad back to do is DUNK. It's one of the worst things you can do. Remember Scottie Pippen and his bad back? I think it was in the playoffs they finally got him back, he was balling, he decided to dunk, and he turned into trash for the rest of those playoffs.

I think Gallo is still clearly hurting, you could see him wincing in the 2nd half last night, only to wave off the bench. Yet, he came out, and was clearly stiff.

We don't need to be overextending him. Keep his minutes low no matter the production. There is next year to think about.

Meanwhile, the Wizards' DeShawn Stevenson, has opted for surgery to correct, yep you guessed it, a bulging disc in his back. Why has Gallo refused to do the same? It's clear it has not healed. These things heal on their own over YEARS of inactivity and proper health. Not a few months.

That's the biggest concern with the kid. It's not going to magically disappear. So what now, he plays 20 minutes a game in pain for the rest of his career? I don't get it.

Cosmic,

I don't think Gallo ever refused surgery, rather it wasn't recommended by any of the many doctors he went to. Also, since I've studied back problems due to having had one (and recovered), there is a 50% correlation (I believe that is what Dr. Sarno said) with back surgery and then pain going away. Now a bulging disk is rarely operated on, it is the ruptured ones that involve most surgeries. Basically, surgery does not cure back pain, ESPECIALLY when it does not appear to be needed. So, in Gallo's case, I'd bet the farm that his bulging disk is not pushing on his nerve (or they would have recommended surgery). My guess is that his muscle spasms are somehow connected to the symptoms. Also, the muscle spasms or contractions are often responsible for the bulging disk, this I believe is where the "in your head" comments comes from (As anger, nerves, etc. often cause muscle tension, which then can aid in disk compression by pulling across the disk). So in the end, before one goes cutting (especially with just a bulging disk) it's better to really investigate the injury. Speaking from experience, I feel confident they chose the right path with Gallo. That said, he does need to be careful, cause a bulging disk can rupture if undue pressure is placed on it. (But so can a surgically corrected and thus weakened disk).

It's really too bad to hear that he is still experiencing pain. I hope he settles down here in America as I have a feeling that the stress of being in new country on a new team is partly responsible for his pain. (Ever hear of the expression "Your a pain in my neck"? Well, there is some truth to where that phrase came from. Reminds me of a Cheers episode, where Diane says to Sam, "How are you, Love of my life?" and Sam replies, "Just fine, pain in my neck"...)


Well, the thing I'm worried about is, eventually he's going to need it. It just doesn't sound like it will take care of itself. Now, if it is, and rest is what he needs, why is he playing? Just a little scary here that's all and I think his back issue is overly played down by himself, the Knicks, and even the media to a degree. I don't see how that does him any service.

Danilo Gallinari's English improves by the week. His back does not.

Although the Knicks rookie has not missed a game due to injury since his return in mid-January and scored a career-high 17 points to key Wednesday night's 109-105 win over Atlanta, the level of pain in his back and leg hasn't subsided.

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Diagnosed with a bulging disc, Gallinari has had his minutes limited each game to under 25. Before the Italian Stallion checks into games late in the first quarter, he stays in the tunnel to perform back exercises or to just lie down. He avoids sitting on the bench, which puts pressure on the lower back and can leak disc fluid.

"It doesn't change much," Gallinari said of the pain. "It is still there. I feel always the same discomfort for all the games. It's not changing."

Just not a good thing. What if he takes a bad fall or takes on a solid hit or tries to dunk and puts undue pressure on his back? Right back on the IR that's what happens.

Other players seem to get surgery right away for bulging or slipped discs. Why not Gallo? Average everyday people may not because they're able to rest those 2-3 years to let it heal on it's own. Athletes don't have that luxury.

Doesn't sound like it would take much to be back at square one with this guy if he happens to repeat what caused it in the first place this summer. Then what? Another completely lost year? Just don't have a good feeling about this.

If rest heals it then why is he playing?
If rest isn't healing it then why isn't he getting it corrected?

Seems to be a bit too much grey area regarding this doesn't it?
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3/6/2009  11:20 AM
Surgery doesn't always fix bad backs in average size people much less much taller and heavier athletes who have to absorb greater physical contact. I think it's a pipedream to think that surgery will be a panacea. The guy is obviously damaged goods and the back will always be an issue. His back is a ticking time bomb and it's only a matter of time before it acts up again.
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3/6/2009  11:23 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Surgery doesn't always fix bad backs in average size people much less much taller and heavier athletes who have to absorb greater physical contact. I think it's a pipedream to think that surgery will be a panacea. The guy is obviously damaged goods and the back will always be an issue. His back is a ticking time bomb and it's only a matter of time before it acts up again.

True.

And I think we will eventually see him undergo the knife.

As I pointed out: Stevensen is doing it.

I know there are degrees of severity in injuries but once you have a bulging disc - you have a bulging disc. The back is nothing to fool around with.

If something isn't healing I'd rather see the player try to correct it rather than linger all his career - in and out of lineups - for that's far worse than just either having or NOT having the player to begin with.

Again, if he's not healed, sit his ass out. I've also read one reason he doesn't sit on the bench is because it causes compression of his spine which worsens the issue.

So what gives? Dude can't even sit down? Yet we're playing him.

Something doesn't add up here at all. Never did going back through the constant "He's 2-4 weeks away". then 2-4 weeks came? "He's 2-4 weeks away". Yeah, thanks for the update... lol.
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3/6/2009  11:54 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:

Surgery doesn't always fix bad backs in average size people much less much taller and heavier athletes who have to absorb greater physical contact. I think it's a pipedream to think that surgery will be a panacea. The guy is obviously damaged goods and the back will always be an issue. His back is a ticking time bomb and it's only a matter of time before it acts up again.

True.

And I think we will eventually see him undergo the knife.

As I pointed out: Stevensen is doing it.

I know there are degrees of severity in injuries but once you have a bulging disc - you have a bulging disc. The back is nothing to fool around with.

If something isn't healing I'd rather see the player try to correct it rather than linger all his career - in and out of lineups - for that's far worse than just either having or NOT having the player to begin with.

Again, if he's not healed, sit his ass out. I've also read one reason he doesn't sit on the bench is because it causes compression of his spine which worsens the issue.

So what gives? Dude can't even sit down? Yet we're playing him.

Something doesn't add up here at all. Never did going back through the constant "He's 2-4 weeks away". then 2-4 weeks came? "He's 2-4 weeks away". Yeah, thanks for the update... lol.

I agree with both of you and it's an issue that will be in the back of our minds until god forbid he does have to sit out again because of back issues. That being said, him not sitting on the bench, stretching in the tunnel and riding a bike has been going on since he came back from his injuries 20 games ago. Not sure why the papers are picking up on it now.
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3/6/2009  1:46 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Surgery doesn't always fix bad backs in average size people much less much taller and heavier athletes who have to absorb greater physical contact. I think it's a pipedream to think that surgery will be a panacea. The guy is obviously damaged goods and the back will always be an issue. His back is a ticking time bomb and it's only a matter of time before it acts up again.
why would he need surgury? He's healthy. Obviously he had an injury which was more lengthy than expected but a non issue now. His last game demonstrated he is explosive and has his legs back. His game is getting better all the time. He's a ticking timebomb to explode into being a fine scorer in this league. Its only a matter of time before he really thrives in this system and reaches his high potential

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3/6/2009  1:54 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Surgery doesn't always fix bad backs in average size people much less much taller and heavier athletes who have to absorb greater physical contact. I think it's a pipedream to think that surgery will be a panacea. The guy is obviously damaged goods and the back will always be an issue. His back is a ticking time bomb and it's only a matter of time before it acts up again.
why would he need surgury? He's healthy. Obviously he had an injury which was more lengthy than expected but a non issue now. His last game demonstrated he is explosive and has his legs back. His game is getting better all the time. He's a ticking timebomb to explode into being a fine scorer in this league. Its only a matter of time before he really thrives in this system and reaches his high potential

"It doesn't change much," Gallinari said of the pain. "It is still there. I feel always the same discomfort for all the games. It's not changing."

Dr. Lisa Callahan, the Knicks director of medical care, said through a team spokesman yesterday Gallinari is showing improvement.

"Several MRIs over the season have shown gradual improvement but he hasn't reached 100 percent yet," Callahan said

And to think, it's only been 8 months.
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3/6/2009  5:42 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by sebstar:

hate to say it, but I see a lot of Novitzki in his game

Hate to say it?

Want to try to resist comparing a cat whose just starting to an All-league player. At this point, all Gallo has done is make a few shots, but ol' boy has a ton of talent. He's going to be a big key to our future. H

It's too bad that posters have to hide their enthusiasm of this kid because they might be reemed out.

Dont know what you're talking about. All I was saying is that its way too early to compare him to a great player.
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3/6/2009  8:43 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by sebstar:

hate to say it, but I see a lot of Novitzki in his game

Hate to say it?

Want to try to resist comparing a cat whose just starting to an All-league player. At this point, all Gallo has done is make a few shots, but ol' boy has a ton of talent. He's going to be a big key to our future. H

It's too bad that posters have to hide their enthusiasm of this kid because they might be reemed out.

Dont know what you're talking about. All I was saying is that its way too early to compare him to a great player.

I was agreeing with you.
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3/7/2009  7:48 AM
Just our luck DG turns out to be a player but then has his career derailed due to a back injury. Hopefully, he can overcome it but if it still is hurting at this point, it may be a chronic thing. Hopefully, it is not degenerative.
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