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3/4/2009  2:31 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

Gallo's minutes have remained pretty much the same since he got back from his injury. Not sure the Gallo plan has changed. The only thing that has changed is D'Antoni's conversations with the media. I also think many fans and media members over reacted to one DNP as if D'Antoni was saying that he was never going to play again. He still must earn his minutes. Until he is getting 20-25 minutes a game what has changed?

It's funny we see a 15 minute press conference and we think that what is said is more important than the other 23 hours a coach spends with his team per day. Fans never know the entire picture behind a players playing time or what the plan is. We get a filtered version, but just won't admit it. This is why all coaches(from high school to NBA) look like idiots who don't know how good their rookie is, are jerking players around, "hatt" certain players, don't know what line-up to put in etc.

he sat Gallo for 1 game & people who claimed he was a bust anyway had a freakin' conniption... how he's back in the rotation & MDA is the guy w/o a clue... it's funny to listen to the lengths that people will go to in order to defend their own arguments.


TMS, you're slackin on your hating, bro. Work on that.

Don't you mean hatting?
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3/4/2009  2:32 PM
Posted by VDesai:

You can make a very compelling argument that Quentin Richardson has been the worst player in the NBA since he's been on the Knicks.

You will hear no argument from me.

Unless you're looking for an argument stating the case that he is the worst player in the NBA. And has been for a while. Then I'm your man.
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Posted by islesfan:

Does D'Antoni have a clue or a plan? He just keeps flying by the seat of his pants when it comes to lineups, and most importantly, developing players. He just keeps proving what a terrible choice he was for this rebuilding team.

Just 10 days ago, D'Antoni saw fit to DNP-CD Gallinari, citing some asinine "pecking order" and talking about how the time to develop players is in summer league and preseason. Now he's talking about how he has to "be sure to put Gallinari" and Chandler in there.

I guess I should just be glad that he's finally come to his senses and is finally doing the right thing but with D'Antoni there's no guarantee that he'll continue doing so.

I'll just have to enjoy listening to all the people, who talked about how Gallinari had to "earn his minutes" and were fine with D'Antoni's pecking order and summer league plans, do another 180 and praise D'Antoni for giving Gallinari playing time now.

Starting different guys, though it might make sense for matchups, really does not help with team chemistry and roles. That said, at the time I didn't bat an eye cause I thought he was just trying different things. The thing with pro sports in general is that because of the media, the coaches and players always say BS things just to make it not get headlines. Case in point, the bolded statement above, GREAT POINT. I hated that statement when I heard it. Absolutely assinine way to structure an argument for not playing a good young player. It's a cop-out.

It must be tough being a player and coach in NY though, cause saying it like it is will get under too many peoples skin, so I guess we "have to accept" BS quite often. So, don't listen so much to the words coming out of peoples mouths, look at their actions. (as the saying goes).
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3/4/2009  4:07 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by islesfan:

Does D'Antoni have a clue or a plan? He just keeps flying by the seat of his pants when it comes to lineups, and most importantly, developing players. He just keeps proving what a terrible choice he was for this rebuilding team.

Just 10 days ago, D'Antoni saw fit to DNP-CD Gallinari, citing some asinine "pecking order" and talking about how the time to develop players is in summer league and preseason. Now he's talking about how he has to "be sure to put Gallinari" and Chandler in there.

I guess I should just be glad that he's finally come to his senses and is finally doing the right thing but with D'Antoni there's no guarantee that he'll continue doing so.

I'll just have to enjoy listening to all the people, who talked about how Gallinari had to "earn his minutes" and were fine with D'Antoni's pecking order and summer league plans, do another 180 and praise D'Antoni for giving Gallinari playing time now.

Starting different guys, though it might make sense for matchups, really does not help with team chemistry and roles. That said, at the time I didn't bat an eye cause I thought he was just trying different things. The thing with pro sports in general is that because of the media, the coaches and players always say BS things just to make it not get headlines. Case in point, the bolded statement above, GREAT POINT. I hated that statement when I heard it. Absolutely assinine way to structure an argument for not playing a good young player. It's a cop-out.

It must be tough being a player and coach in NY though, cause saying it like it is will get under too many peoples skin, so I guess we "have to accept" BS quite often. So, don't listen so much to the words coming out of peoples mouths, look at their actions. (as the saying goes).

Exactly, and if you look at the actions Gallinari has gotten about 15 minutes a night every night since the day he got back from injury. Nothing has changed. And if he starts getting more time it will be D'Antoni's decision. I personally don't feel he owes it to me, to tell me when Gallinari has earned more or less time. If we are eliminated from playoff contention than we should play him more minutes, but until then he needs to earn his minutes like everyone else. That's part of development. If it wasn't part of development than how is it possible that freshman and sophomores at the college level sometimes go from not playing more than 10 or 15 minutes to all of sudden being the best on their team? It's because they worked hard and improved. This doesn't stop just because a guy is an NBA player.
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3/4/2009  4:16 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Well q-rich was playing cuz there's no one else.....he's a bum but he came through four the Knicks a lot this year. He played well for us this year..

I read somewhere that Q-rich was the oldest looking 28 year old in the NBA. That made me laugh
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3/4/2009  4:28 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by islesfan:

Does D'Antoni have a clue or a plan? He just keeps flying by the seat of his pants when it comes to lineups, and most importantly, developing players. He just keeps proving what a terrible choice he was for this rebuilding team.

Just 10 days ago, D'Antoni saw fit to DNP-CD Gallinari, citing some asinine "pecking order" and talking about how the time to develop players is in summer league and preseason. Now he's talking about how he has to "be sure to put Gallinari" and Chandler in there.

I guess I should just be glad that he's finally come to his senses and is finally doing the right thing but with D'Antoni there's no guarantee that he'll continue doing so.

I'll just have to enjoy listening to all the people, who talked about how Gallinari had to "earn his minutes" and were fine with D'Antoni's pecking order and summer league plans, do another 180 and praise D'Antoni for giving Gallinari playing time now.

Starting different guys, though it might make sense for matchups, really does not help with team chemistry and roles. That said, at the time I didn't bat an eye cause I thought he was just trying different things. The thing with pro sports in general is that because of the media, the coaches and players always say BS things just to make it not get headlines. Case in point, the bolded statement above, GREAT POINT. I hated that statement when I heard it. Absolutely assinine way to structure an argument for not playing a good young player. It's a cop-out.

It must be tough being a player and coach in NY though, cause saying it like it is will get under too many peoples skin, so I guess we "have to accept" BS quite often. So, don't listen so much to the words coming out of peoples mouths, look at their actions. (as the saying goes).

Ok, let's look at actions:

First 8 games this month Gallinari averaged 17 minutes a game.

Since a pecking order was established and D'Antoni made his stupid comments, Gallinari has averaged 8 minutes a game.

And if you want to look deeper into it, you'll see that Gallinari's minutes have been very inconsistent over the last 10 days. For example, in one game he played the first 7 minutes of the 2nd quarter and didn't play again. Then in another he didn't get off the bench until a minute left in the 3rd quarter and ended up playing the rest of the game as nothing else was working.

Is that how you develop the 6th overall pick? With inconsistent playing time that doesn't appear to follow any rhyme or reason?
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3/4/2009  4:47 PM
I think if you base development only on how many minutes a guy gets than no sporadic minutes is not going to develop a player. Fortunately rookies develop because of minutes, how hard they work, maturity, practice work, off the court mentoring and coaching. There is a lot more to it than whether a guy played 7 minutes in one game or 15 in another.

That being said, if we take a small sample like you are doing than yeah, wow his minutes look sporadic. If you look at the big picture his role hasn't changed since he got back from injury. He's been under 10 minutes twice in 20 possible games(not including one where they rested him on the 2nd game of a back to back). I think he will be fine.

by the way if you look at the rookies around the league. There are a lot of guys that are settled into roles and playing minutes nightly. There are also a lot of guys that are getting 20 minutes one night and 2 the next. It's the fact of life for rookies. this is a man's league, not a sissy league, not a rec league, not an 8th grade church league, you earn regular minutes. Now if we are eliminated from the playoffs, then you can change that strategy. At that point I think it makes sense to give him minutes. But right now part of making a player improve is raising their standard. Have them up their game to beat out a veteran.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-03-2009 4:53 PM]
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Example of how we really don't know what is going on:

I've told this story before but I'll tell it again. I coached a team with a starting line-up of 6-1, 6-1, 6-2, 5-7 and 5-10. We were in desperate need of height and stupid asse Bip had a 6-9 athletic shot blocker with major skills sitting on his bench not playing. He played 20+ a night in preseason, blocked shots all over the place, put up 13, 6 and 3 blocks everynight. Now the season starts and idiot Bip can't see how good he is. Wrong......Idiot Bip understood exactly how good he was. Idiot Bip wanted so badly to put this guy in the line-up. But idiot Bip had rules and standards that players had to meet before they play.

Bip's entire defense was patterned after that of Jim Calhoun. A defense that funnels offensive players towards shot blockers or in to traps. We place certain guys at certain placees on the floor(depending on where the ball is) to take away their strenghts and play to ours. Now my shot blocker was never in the right position. Sure he blocked a lot of shots and looked great, but when he was on the floor the shooting percentage of opposing teams was higher than when he was off the floor. Because he was constantly out of position we were funneling players to an unguarded basket. My team was ready to mutiny against this kid.

Now in practice we worked with this kid everyday like our lives depended on it. He was a hard working kid and tried to understand the concepts but it took him a while. We set as our goal to get him on the floor about 2/3 of the way into the season for regular minutes. We were desperate to get him going before the playoofs. That was our plan. In the previous 14 or so games he would play sporadic minutes. Five minutes one night, 3 the next, 15 the next. We would throw him out in different situations to test him. He would make an amazing block/dunk look great on the floor, destroy my defense and I would take him out. The casual fan did not watch game film or attend practice and did not know of the damage he was doing or the progress we were making. All they saw were the high flying dunks and blocks. All they saw was that Bip was a dumb guy who didn't know how great the kid was and needed to be fired.

Fast forward to game 13 or 14(right around our original plan time), the kid just starts to get it. In practice he starts to understand the defense. He goes from his team losing every scrimmage to his team winning consistently. His shot blocking goes down, but so does the opposing teams shooting percentage. Because he's in position all the time opposing teams in practice shoot nothing but jumpers against his teams because they are intimidated. He just one day gets it. If I remember at game 15 we unleashed him upon our league. He goes from sporadic minutes to 25-32 minutes a game "overnight"(at least to the fans it was overnight). To the coaching staff he got minutes because he earned them. He so dominates on defense that a crappy team almost makes it to the state finals.

The fans call me an idiot for not figuring out how good he was earlier in the year. The fans say we set back his "development" by not playing him. The 2 papers that covered our team would ask me about him all the time. They would write in the papers that I didn't know what I was doing. That I changed my mind on how to handle the guy daily. The fans said I was jerking him around. Many said that I hatted him. I was asked about him every 5 minutes. One night I said he wasn't ready. The next night I said we expect big things for the rest of the season from him. The next night I said he was a freshman and I don't play freshman. Sometimes I just made shiot up. I think I siad he was sick one time and another time that I was choosing line-ups by the flip of a coin. Basically I got sick of answering the same stupid questions.

I'm not saying the Gallinari situation is anything like this. What I am saying is that there is a lot more to basketball and coaching than what happens in a press conference.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-03-2009 5:21 PM]
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Posted by Bippity10:

Example of how we really don't know what is going on:

I've told this story before but I'll tell it again. I coached a team with a starting line-up of 6-1, 6-1, 6-2, 5-7 and 5-10. We were in desperate need of height and stupid asse Bip had a 6-9 athletic shot blocker with major skills sitting on his bench not playing. He played 20+ a night in preseason, blocked shots all over the place, put up 13, 6 and 3 blocks everynight. Now the season starts and idiot Bip can't see how good he is. Wrong......Idiot Bip understood exactly how good he was. Idiot Bip wanted so badly to put this guy in the line-up. But idiot Bip had rules and standards that players had to meet before they play.

Bip's entire defense was patterned after that of Jim Calhoun. A defense that funnels offensive players towards shot blockers or in to traps. We place certain guys at certain placees on the floor(depending on where the ball is) to take away their strenghts and play to ours. Now my shot blocker was never in the right position. Sure he blocked a lot of shots and looked great, but when he was on the floor the shooting percentage of opposing teams was higher than when he was off the floor. Because he was constantly out of position we were funneling players to an unguarded basket. My team was ready to mutiny against this kid.

Now in practice we worked with this kid everyday like our lives depended on it. He was a hard working kid and tried to understand the concepts but it took him a while. We set as our goal to get him on the floor about 2/3 of the way into the season for regular minutes. We were desperate to get him going before the playoofs. That was our plan. In the previous 14 or so games he would play sporadic minutes. Five minutes one night, 3 the next, 15 the next. We would throw him out in different situations to test him. He would make an amazing block/dunk look great on the floor, destroy my defense and I would take him out. The casual fan did not watch game film or attend practice and did not know of the damage he was doing or the progress we were making. All they saw were the high flying dunks and blocks. All they saw was that Bip was a dumb guy who didn't know how great the kid was and needed to be fired.

Fast forward to game 13 or 14(right around our original plan time), the kid just starts to get it. In practice he starts to understand the defense. He goes from his team losing every scrimmage to his team winning consistently. His shot blocking goes down, but so does the opposing teams shooting percentage. Because he's in position all the time opposing teams in practice shoot nothing but jumpers against his teams because they are intimidated. He just one day gets it. If I remember at game 15 we unleashed him upon our league. He goes from sporadic minutes to 25-32 minutes a game "overnight"(at least to the fans it was overnight). To the coaching staff he got minutes because he earned them. He so dominates on defense that a crappy team almost makes it to the state finals.

The fans call me an idiot for not figuring out how good he was earlier in the year. The fans say we set back his "development" by not playing him. The 2 papers that covered our team would ask me about him all the time. They would write in the papers that I didn't know what I was doing. That I changed my mind on how to handle the guy daily. The fans said I was jerking him around. Many said that I hatted him. I was asked about him every 5 minutes. One night I said he wasn't ready. The next night I said we expect big things for the rest of the season from him. The next night I said he was a freshman and I don't play freshman. Sometimes I just made shiot up. I think I siad he was sick one time and another time that I was choosing line-ups by the flip of a coin. Basically I got sick of answering the same stupid questions.

I'm not saying the Gallinari situation is anything like this. What I am saying is that there is a lot more to basketball and coaching than what happens in a press conference.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-03-2009 5:21 PM]

I was going to make a, "wow, the 204 post ballboy is a regular Leo Tolstoy" crack but changed my mind. The bolded was one of the funnier things I've read in a while. Good post top to bottom. Keep that up and you'll have a future here
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3/4/2009  5:43 PM
And the Knicks made a trade and have been trying to get Hughes minutes too, right?
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And the Knicks made a trade and have been trying to get Hughes minutes too, right?

Yeah, that too
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Posted by SupremeCommander:

after reading this:
CLOCK'S RUNNING OUT ON QUENTIN'S MINUTES

Knick coach Mike D'Antoni said yesterday that playing time could be "hard to come by" for Quentin Richardson.

Actually, it looks more like impossible.

Richardson didn't play Saturday in Miami, a victim of the Knicks' nine-man rotation and, presumably, his own terrible shooting of late.

With Larry Hughes and Chris Wilcox now on the team, it appears Richardson, who's played in 53 of the Knicks' 59 games (and started 47 of them), could be the rotation casualty.

"I think it's a night-to-night [call]," D'Antoni said of Richardson at practice yesterday as the Knick prepped for tonight's Garden game against the Hawks.

"It's still evolving a little bit. Nothing that he did. He's been great, but [we're] trying to be sure we've put [Danilo Gallinari] in there, be sure [Wilson Chandler] plays, and sometimes minutes are hard to come by.

"He's been playing well. Just got to kind of figure it out and see how we go from here."

Actually, Richardson has not been playing well, or at least not shooting well.

In the last game he played - Friday against the 76ers - he shot 1-for-5. The game before, he was 0-for-2 (though he did have four assists and four rebounds in 13 minutes). In February, he averaged just 4.4 points on a miserable 25 percent shooting.

Richardson said D'Antoni was simply "trying to do what he had to do for us to win."

Asked if he could accept not playing if it becomes the norm, Richardson replied, "That's what I've got to do, ain't it?"

Richardson might see time tonight if Nate Robinson, who didn't practice the last two days because of a sprained left ankle, is out. D'Antoni said Robinson had improved, but wasn't sure if he'd play.

Think that would be a pretty major blow? Robinson has scored at least 26 points in seven of his last nine games.

Either way, D'Antoni expects Hughes - who's scored 25 and 19 in his last two games after opening his Knick tenure with three clankers - to start his second straight tonight.

"I needed 'em," Hughes said of his last two games. "I'm not going to sit here and say that I didn't want to play well. But I knew it was a process, and I was just kind of right on schedule ... after not being real active in the last month and a half."

D'Antoni also said Chandler could start tonight, saying, "We may switch it up a little bit."

Chandler could play small forward, with Jared Jeffries coming off the bench.

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/03042009/sports/knicks/clocks_running_out_on_quentins_minutes_157960.htm

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Posted by Bippity10:

Example of how we really don't know what is going on:

I've told this story before but I'll tell it again. I coached a team with a starting line-up of 6-1, 6-1, 6-2, 5-7 and 5-10. We were in desperate need of height and stupid asse Bip had a 6-9 athletic shot blocker with major skills sitting on his bench not playing. He played 20+ a night in preseason, blocked shots all over the place, put up 13, 6 and 3 blocks everynight. Now the season starts and idiot Bip can't see how good he is. Wrong......Idiot Bip understood exactly how good he was. Idiot Bip wanted so badly to put this guy in the line-up. But idiot Bip had rules and standards that players had to meet before they play.

Bip's entire defense was patterned after that of Jim Calhoun. A defense that funnels offensive players towards shot blockers or in to traps. We place certain guys at certain placees on the floor(depending on where the ball is) to take away their strenghts and play to ours. Now my shot blocker was never in the right position. Sure he blocked a lot of shots and looked great, but when he was on the floor the shooting percentage of opposing teams was higher than when he was off the floor. Because he was constantly out of position we were funneling players to an unguarded basket. My team was ready to mutiny against this kid.

Now in practice we worked with this kid everyday like our lives depended on it. He was a hard working kid and tried to understand the concepts but it took him a while. We set as our goal to get him on the floor about 2/3 of the way into the season for regular minutes. We were desperate to get him going before the playoofs. That was our plan. In the previous 14 or so games he would play sporadic minutes. Five minutes one night, 3 the next, 15 the next. We would throw him out in different situations to test him. He would make an amazing block/dunk look great on the floor, destroy my defense and I would take him out. The casual fan did not watch game film or attend practice and did not know of the damage he was doing or the progress we were making. All they saw were the high flying dunks and blocks. All they saw was that Bip was a dumb guy who didn't know how great the kid was and needed to be fired.

Fast forward to game 13 or 14(right around our original plan time), the kid just starts to get it. In practice he starts to understand the defense. He goes from his team losing every scrimmage to his team winning consistently. His shot blocking goes down, but so does the opposing teams shooting percentage. Because he's in position all the time opposing teams in practice shoot nothing but jumpers against his teams because they are intimidated. He just one day gets it. If I remember at game 15 we unleashed him upon our league. He goes from sporadic minutes to 25-32 minutes a game "overnight"(at least to the fans it was overnight). To the coaching staff he got minutes because he earned them. He so dominates on defense that a crappy team almost makes it to the state finals.

The fans call me an idiot for not figuring out how good he was earlier in the year. The fans say we set back his "development" by not playing him. The 2 papers that covered our team would ask me about him all the time. They would write in the papers that I didn't know what I was doing. That I changed my mind on how to handle the guy daily. The fans said I was jerking him around. Many said that I hatted him. I was asked about him every 5 minutes. One night I said he wasn't ready. The next night I said we expect big things for the rest of the season from him. The next night I said he was a freshman and I don't play freshman. Sometimes I just made shiot up. I think I siad he was sick one time and another time that I was choosing line-ups by the flip of a coin. Basically I got sick of answering the same stupid questions.

I'm not saying the Gallinari situation is anything like this. What I am saying is that there is a lot more to basketball and coaching than what happens in a press conference.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-03-2009 5:21 PM]

If you had spent more time coaching the bastard in pre-season instead of running up your fake post count, and spending valuable hours hunting and pecking out pointless diatribes like this, maybe the kid would have gotten it earlier. Nice name-drop there; i'm sure Calhoun appreciates your worship.

You sure sound dumber in real-life than you do on here, by the way.

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