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3/4/2009  9:34 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Let's just say for the fun of it that this offseason the Knicks traded Harrington/Nate for Melo and then somehow were lucky enough to take Jennings in the draft.. not a bad team.

PG - Jennings
SG - Hughes
SF - Melo
PF - Lee
C - Wilcox

You could even start Gallo at SF and push Melo to PF and Lee to Center. Would be a pretty fun team to watch.
Would be a pretty fun team to watch

awesome idea if it were possible, but it would take a whole lotta luck for us to land Jennings in this year's draft, & i don't think for a second that DEN would trade Melo to us for Harrington & Nate... IMO it would take a lot more, probably something along the lines of Lee, Nate & Chandler... Melo's a top 5 scorer in the NBA, u don't get guys like that for cheap, & like i said, i don't think it would be worth it considering some of the points Bip just brought up... i don't think he's got the maturity or the mindset to lead a group of grown men to a championship the way Lebron, CP3 or Wade might... he may have done it in college but the NBA is a whole nother ball of wax... Melo seems like a selfish stat padding type player to me... just the impression i get from watching him, & he doesn't play any defense either... i want my franchise guy to be a true impact player on both sides of the ball if i'm giving up young assets to land him & having to pay him max dollars on top of it... i would be fine w/signing Melo to a FA contract if we couldn't get someone like Lebron or Wade, but to give up our top 3 young players to get him u have to expect more... just my take.

tms - you would need this guy:

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3/4/2009  10:18 AM
Here's the big point with Melo. He's good friends with LeBron especially and all of the other Olympians.

If you think that we're going to draw LeBron or Wade in 2010, I think it's a pipe-dream, but if you get Carmelo in here... I would start to believe it.

If you trade Lee and Al for Melo and either trade Nate for another pick, or buy one, you could end up with a lineup like this.

C - Jordan (Tulsa)
PF - Gallo
SF - Melo
SG - Chandler
PG - Jennings (Rome)

Backup G's - Duhon, Hughes
Backup Forwards - Jeffries
Backup Center - Curry

It would be better to have a ball handling shooting guard, but a PG like Jennings would fit well with a bunch of spot up shooters like this. Jordan would be a nice center who could run the floor and block shots at the other end.

This is the kind of team that LeBron would want to join.
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3/4/2009  10:36 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here's the big point with Melo. He's good friends with LeBron especially and all of the other Olympians.

If you think that we're going to draw LeBron or Wade in 2010, I think it's a pipe-dream, but if you get Carmelo in here... I would start to believe it.

If you trade Lee and Al for Melo and either trade Nate for another pick, or buy one, you could end up with a lineup like this.

C - Jordan (Tulsa)
PF - Gallo
SF - Melo
SG - Chandler
PG - Jennings (Rome)

Backup G's - Duhon, Hughes
Backup Forwards - Jeffries
Backup Center - Curry

It would be better to have a ball handling shooting guard, but a PG like Jennings would fit well with a bunch of spot up shooters like this. Jordan would be a nice center who could run the floor and block shots at the other end.

This is the kind of team that LeBron would want to join.

As much as I dislike Melo, this trade would be good for us. A sign-and-trade of DLee would be hard to do though.
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3/4/2009  10:51 AM
As much as I dislike Melo, this trade would be good for us. A sign-and-trade of DLee would be hard to do though.

I haven't wrapped my head around that yet. What makes you think a sign and trade would be difficult?

If a team wants him, we ultimately have the chance to match, and if a team is capped out, they can't even make him an offer.

We were trying to get Seattle to do a sign and trade last year with Rashard Lewis.
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3/4/2009  10:55 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
As much as I dislike Melo, this trade would be good for us. A sign-and-trade of DLee would be hard to do though.

I haven't wrapped my head around that yet. What makes you think a sign and trade would be difficult?

If a team wants him, we ultimately have the chance to match, and if a team is capped out, they can't even make him an offer.

We were trying to get Seattle to do a sign and trade last year with Rashard Lewis.

Sign and trades are never easy. Instead of 2 parties, you have 3 parties negotiating. How much does the Knicks want back in return? How much does DLee want? How much is Denver willing to pay? Melo has a huge contract and they may want more for Melo if contracts don't match up than just filler. Just my opinion.
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3/4/2009  11:03 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
As much as I dislike Melo, this trade would be good for us. A sign-and-trade of DLee would be hard to do though.

I haven't wrapped my head around that yet. What makes you think a sign and trade would be difficult?

If a team wants him, we ultimately have the chance to match, and if a team is capped out, they can't even make him an offer.

We were trying to get Seattle to do a sign and trade last year with Rashard Lewis.

Sign and trades are never easy. Instead of 2 parties, you have 3 parties negotiating. How much does the Knicks want back in return? How much does DLee want? How much is Denver willing to pay? Melo has a huge contract and they may want more for Melo if contracts don't match up than just filler. Just my opinion.

Al and Lee is a fair deal if you can make the salaries match. Denver has a bunch of dudes they could put in the trade including Balkman who would make DLee's first year salary around $8 Million.

That sounds about right to me.
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3/4/2009  11:17 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
As much as I dislike Melo, this trade would be good for us. A sign-and-trade of DLee would be hard to do though.

I haven't wrapped my head around that yet. What makes you think a sign and trade would be difficult?

If a team wants him, we ultimately have the chance to match, and if a team is capped out, they can't even make him an offer.

We were trying to get Seattle to do a sign and trade last year with Rashard Lewis.

Sign and trades are never easy. Instead of 2 parties, you have 3 parties negotiating. How much does the Knicks want back in return? How much does DLee want? How much is Denver willing to pay? Melo has a huge contract and they may want more for Melo if contracts don't match up than just filler. Just my opinion.

Al and Lee is a fair deal if you can make the salaries match. Denver has a bunch of dudes they could put in the trade including Balkman who would make DLee's first year salary around $8 Million.

That sounds about right to me.


You don't think DLee is looking for $10 Million per?
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3/4/2009  11:25 AM
Sign and trades are never easy. Instead of 2 parties, you have 3 parties negotiating. How much does the Knicks want back in return? How much does DLee want? How much is Denver willing to pay? Melo has a huge contract and they may want more for Melo if contracts don't match up than just filler. Just my opinion.

Al and Lee is a fair deal if you can make the salaries match. Denver has a bunch of dudes they could put in the trade including Balkman who would make DLee's first year salary around $8 Million.

That sounds about right to me.
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You don't think DLee is looking for $10 Million per?

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What he's looking for and what he can get are two different things. Looking at the market, a deal starting around $8 million and joining a playoff team would be a nice deal.

Nobody's giving him 10 million. Dave lost a couple of million dollars the night that we played Orlando. I'm sure GM's were watching that.
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3/4/2009  11:40 AM
^Not sure if DLee will get what he wants but my point is that sign-and-trades are difficult.
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3/4/2009  11:42 AM
Oy we're looking at Carmelo Anthony to bring in now? Is it really getting that bad?

Anyways, the line of the article from Isola was this, "I believe he's well ahead of Chris Bosh, who has gone from under-appreciated to over-rated in a short amount of time." He summed it up perfectly.
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3/4/2009  11:49 AM
That articles logic is crap.

Wade prefers to stay because of weather? Carmelo from big east conference like Ewing?

These are not tangable. Its media fan fodder. No basis.

Might happen, but im sure Isola likes to see how many threads can be created which make him more readible.

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3/4/2009  11:57 AM
I will say Isola was the only reporter to know anything about the Hughes deal as he broke it first. If I'm not mistaken he also broke the Chiek signing first as well. It's obvious he has a very credible source deep inside the organization.
I like Mello on the Knicks. I think he's exactly what we need. He is a go to scorer which is something that we really need. Look at some of those games where the other teams star took over and we had no answer for it. Also, how many games have we lost where we were up in the 4th quarter but we couldn't close the game out? Carmello is a closer and he would be loved here in the Apple. I really don't care about Mardy Collins...no disrespect to Mardy but it was a fight. Things like that happen in fights.
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3/4/2009  11:58 AM
so after the lofty expectations of lebron or wade, people would be upset with melo? LOL.

melo >>> the entire knicks squad combined.
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3/4/2009  12:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

so after the lofty expectations of lebron or wade, people would be upset with melo? LOL.

melo >>> the entire knicks squad combined.

Basically.
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3/4/2009  12:20 PM
Melo is a serious player. We can't win with just Melo, but I tell you what, if you have Chandler, and you score with your pick in this draft be it a center or a PG, then you're well on your way.

Duncan, Kobe and KG don't have too many dominant years left.

A Knicks team like that could be in the top four in the league soon. You'd also have an opportunity to get another Max player in 2010 and another major piece in 2011.
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3/4/2009  12:22 PM
We must fund someone to replace Steph. Melo can be a good candidate.
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3/4/2009  12:23 PM
i like melo and he did score 50 pts. earlier this year. he is just immature and hasn't left the b-more mindset yet. he is underrated and doesn't get his due because he is in denver. he should be the top five scorers in the league since he is pretty much ungaurdable. the big thing that is different with him than wade and james is that he can't lead. he needs another leader out there. he also can't play defense which was brought up. we can actually sit on the money if we clear space for two free agents since melo would be a free agent in 2011. however, if there is a deal, we need to pounce on it. he has the potential to be the top five player in the nba.
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3/4/2009  12:36 PM
Al Harrington, Gallo and Wilson all play the same position....

Now I agree Al Harrington would have to be the replacement....maybe David Lee would have to take a ride to get Melo.

But Gallo and Wilson.....can you say waste? You can't have wilson playing 2 guard and Gallo is not a pf or a center....he's a natural 3. Same as Melo.....do the Knicks hit the reset botton?

[Edited by - enyspree on 04-03-2009 12:39 PM]
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3/4/2009  1:14 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Al Harrington, Gallo and Wilson all play the same position....

Now I agree Al Harrington would have to be the replacement....maybe David Lee would have to take a ride to get Melo.

But Gallo and Wilson.....can you say waste? You can't have wilson playing 2 guard and Gallo is not a pf or a center....he's a natural 3. Same as Melo.....do the Knicks hit the reset botton?

[Edited by - enyspree on 04-03-2009 12:39 PM]

Great point Eny. I am not liking the scenario as much now. We should either target a PF, C or PG if we want to trade DLee.
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3/4/2009  1:35 PM
Melo and Chandler would have no problem being on the floor at the same time in a Mike D offense.



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