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K22
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3/4/2009  10:29 AM
So how much of this is going to be excerpted in Steph's future tell-all book?
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3/4/2009  10:44 AM
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3/4/2009  11:05 AM
Game, thanks for this. Insightful article, even if you don't agree with it all.
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3/4/2009  11:46 AM
Posted by DrAlphaeus:

Game, thanks for this. Insightful article, even if you don't agree with it all.

May I contribute another?

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Which player would you least like to have on your team?

Stephon Marbury, Celtics G.....22%
Ron Artest, Rockets F.....9%
Stephen Jackson, Warriors F/G.....5%
Kobe Bryant, Lakers G.....5%
Gilbert Arenas, Wizards G.....5%

[Based on a survey of 190 NBA players]

FAST FACTS: Poll was completed before Boston claimed Marbury on waivers last week.... Tracy McGrady tied for fifth; with him out with a knee injury, the Rockets had gone 8–1 at week's end.... Jackson has been on five teams in his nine-year career.... Arenas hasn't played since signing a six-year, $111 million deal last July (knee surgery); in '06–07 his 1,548 shots were fourth in the NBA.

This is an NBA poll from the March 9, 2009 issue of Sports Illustrated.
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3/4/2009  11:49 AM
Posted by K22:
Posted by DrAlphaeus:

Game, thanks for this. Insightful article, even if you don't agree with it all.

May I contribute another?

LINK
Which player would you least like to have on your team?

Stephon Marbury, Celtics G.....22%
Ron Artest, Rockets F.....9%
Stephen Jackson, Warriors F/G.....5%
Kobe Bryant, Lakers G.....5%
Gilbert Arenas, Wizards G.....5%

[Based on a survey of 190 NBA players]

FAST FACTS: Poll was completed before Boston claimed Marbury on waivers last week.... Tracy McGrady tied for fifth; with him out with a knee injury, the Rockets had gone 8–1 at week's end.... Jackson has been on five teams in his nine-year career.... Arenas hasn't played since signing a six-year, $111 million deal last July (knee surgery); in '06–07 his 1,548 shots were fourth in the NBA.

This is an NBA poll from the March 9, 2009 issue of Sports Illustrated.

LOL...
This funny. I was suspected that most of NBA players are morans... but not to this extend.


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3/4/2009  11:53 AM
Another way to look at this article is to forget Marbury is the main focus. Just read it as if it's analyzing how poorly the Knicks were run by Isiah Thomas.

Hard to find fault in it, right?

Thank god all of this is behind us and we can discuss it all in past tense.

Despite another poor season and probably yet another next year it's a breath of fresh air to see competent individuals in Walsh and Mike working to remove the lingering problems one by one and give us a chance to build a winning team in the future.

Isiah Thomas will go down as one of the top 5 worst NBA executives in history.
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3/4/2009  11:57 AM
Put Marbury with 3 HOF's and see it all turn to gold.

Maybe this happens, but his body of work speaks for itself.
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3/4/2009  12:17 PM
every GM that picks him up, every player he plays with and every coach he plays under all have something in commmon. They have all mismanaged him.
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3/4/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Put Marbury with 3 HOF's and see it all turn to gold.

Maybe this happens, but his body of work speaks for itself.

At this point is his career? Sure maybe. Five years ago? Nope because he had to be the man.

Look at Iverson...same thing. Marbury could have led that same Sixer team to the finals because it was constructed to succeed with one dominant player controlling the offense with the other four players cleaning up his mess. We had the mini-version of that here when we first brought Marbury aboard.

You bring a player like that into the fold you either completely cater the roster to his needs or it will fail. Well, for the first half of the season, the roster was one that catered to him. After that Isiah went on his spending spree and it all fell apart rapidly. No surprise.

Whatever good happens in Boston won't change what supporting cast Marbury needed in his prime. They're two different players. This one is willing to be a piece. The other one wanted to be the #1 option and rightfully so given the skill level.

Meanwhile, he had a pretty good TruckBuryEsque quote recently.

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"I know I'm going to have hiccups," Marbury said. "Adjusting to these guys is difficult because they play at a high level. It's not a level where I'm used to. I haven't played at this level. I've never played at a championship level before, so for me, adjusting my style of play, adjusting how I prepare . . . it's all the same as far as going in with a mind-set, but doing things the way they do things is (what's) very important.

"Oh yeah, but it's good," Marbury said, summoning the energy for a brief smile. "It was a hard practice today defensively. Defensively this team is amazing. They work at it. They get after it. That's what it's about. That's why they won the championship."

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3/4/2009  12:56 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

"I know I'm going to have hiccups," Marbury said. "Adjusting to these guys is difficult because they play at a high level. It's not a level where I'm used to. I haven't played at this level. I've never played at a championship level before, so for me, adjusting my style of play, adjusting how I prepare . . . it's all the same as far as going in with a mind-set, but doing things the way they do things is (what's) very important.

Level, level, level, level.

I can't find the exact quote but remember back in I think '01 when he was in Phoenix and they beat on the Spurs in the first round and he was like:
"I told y'all we would take it to another level. But then we gotta take like 2 more levels. If we wanna win, we gotta go three levels higher than that and then four more levels higher to win the series".

Level.
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3/4/2009  1:30 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Look at Iverson...same thing. Marbury could have led that same Sixer team to the finals because it was constructed to succeed with one dominant player controlling the offense with the other four players cleaning up his mess.

Marbury at his prime couldn't sniff AI's jockstrap when he was winning MVP awards, let's get real here.
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3/4/2009  1:50 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Another way to look at this article is to forget Marbury is the main focus. Just read it as if it's analyzing how poorly the Knicks were run by Isiah Thomas.

Hard to find fault in it, right?

Thank god all of this is behind us and we can discuss it all in past tense.

Despite another poor season and probably yet another next year it's a breath of fresh air to see competent individuals in Walsh and Mike working to remove the lingering problems one by one and give us a chance to build a winning team in the future.

Isiah Thomas will go down as one of the top 5 worst NBA executives in history.

I'd buy that, except that MODI has classically been Isiah's biggest apologist. It's hard to give this any credence, when he'd have to trash Isiah to make these conclusions, but he never gets to that point. Let's be honest here: MODI likes Stephon Marbury and Isiah more than he cares for the Knicks. Like a few other posters around here who will go nameless.
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3/4/2009  1:50 PM
Posted by K22:

[quote]Posted by Cosmic:

"I know I'm going to have hiccups," Marbury said. "Adjusting to these guys is difficult because they play at a high level. It's not a level where I'm used to. I haven't played at this level. I've never played at a championship level before, so for me, adjusting my style of play, adjusting how I prepare . . . it's all the same as far as going in with a mind-set, but doing things the way they do things is (what's) very important.

To me, this one line says it all.
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3/4/2009  1:54 PM
Steph's not used to playing winning style basketball... poor guy, he's been a victim his whole life.
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3/4/2009  2:06 PM
I don't think anyone really ever questioned his abilities. People questioned whether he was a shoot-first point guard, whether he could truly run a team and most importantly, whether his personality was toxic to team chemistry. Arguments about how bad teams are when he is with the team and not playing are not convincing. You still get the drama and toxicity without any of the talent and scoring. Bottomline, his attitude and his mouth will keep him from being an NBA legend.
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3/4/2009  2:14 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

I don't think anyone really ever questioned his abilities. People questioned whether he was a shoot-first point guard, whether he could truly run a team and most importantly, whether his personality was toxic to team chemistry. Arguments about how bad teams are when he is with the team and not playing are not convincing. You still get the drama and toxicity without any of the talent and scoring. Bottomline, his attitude and his mouth will keep him from being an NBA legend.

I agree. His abilities during his peak years were unquestioned. His numbers were great. Also, let's be honest the guy was on some bad teams. But when did he ever elevate those teams? How many times as a Knick was he a central figure in a team implosion? When his teams feel apart was he ever a voice of reason and leadership that lifted the team up? Or was he the voice of lunacy arguing with the coach, calling himself the best and blaming his teammates? When did he rise above the fray and bring the team together?

Talent was never a question.
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3/4/2009  2:14 PM
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3/4/2009  2:41 PM
bitter ex's act as if all 4 full season of failure can be laid at Steph's feet.

04-05:

Steph was culprit A with Zeke and his man-crush on Crawful the scale tipper

05-06:

same cast with Steph as co-star to Zeke's beyond all clear sense and logic lusting of Curry (one of the worst trades ever)

and

Larry Brown (1-Phil Jax was available and Isiah never made a monetary offer; 2-Brown and Steph didn't work in the Olympics why in the hell would it work here; 3-Steph came out publically advocating the hiring of Flip)

06-07:

Isiah on the hot seat went into self preservation mode trying to justify the Curry and Crawford trades. Steph gets marginiled in the grand scheme. Inexplicable how isiah the GM backed steph's I'm the first option to score mentality against Lenny Herb and Brown then asks him to defer when you have to coach him!

07-08:

Isiah's all around cluelessness (a Randolph-Curry starting frontline in an NBA where speed up front has become the way) is in full bloom and it appears he is trying to get himself fired.

Him and ex-BFF Steph's unprofessional personal relationship gets in the way of team biz from the "benching" to the trial and the entire season is loss. But this was just the snowball finally hitting the valley and destroying the town.

Befriending Marbury instead of managing him and the team unbiasly was a death sentence for Steph, Isiah, and this franchise from the get go



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3/4/2009  2:43 PM
Marbury selfishness + Marbury mismanagement = high levels of drama and high volumes of losing.

Marbury unselfish, humble, good teammate + Marbury mismanagement = high volumes of losing/mediocre seasons but limited drama.

Marbury selfish + Marbury catered to = mediocre seasons and high levels of drama.

Marbury unselfish, humble, good teammate + Marbury catered to = winning seasons and limited drama.
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3/4/2009  3:55 PM
People are always focusing on the negative results of Steph being here.

However, if not for him, Isiah may still have been in control of the team long enough to

a) give Crawful a Knick4life extension this summer

b) waste another 2-3 years justifying the Curry trade

I'd say that makes Steph a hero [by accident] and we should all wish him the best in his future NBA endeavors
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