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3/3/2009  10:52 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Honestly, I like Stephen Curry a lot for this team. Great shot, big moments... what this team needs, even in spite of Curry's flaws

I am with you. I take Stephen Curry and don't even think about it. If we are picking 9 or 10, everyone at that point is a project. Curry is a proven clutch player. He has shown this year that he can be decent at running the point. If our goal is to get Lebron, then Curry would be a solid pg to pair with him.
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3/4/2009  11:19 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Honestly, I like Stephen Curry a lot for this team. Great shot, big moments... what this team needs, even in spite of Curry's flaws

I am with you. I take Stephen Curry and don't even think about it. If we are picking 9 or 10, everyone at that point is a project. Curry is a proven clutch player. He has shown this year that he can be decent at running the point. If our goal is to get Lebron, then Curry would be a solid pg to pair with him.

The two best college shooters in the past five years are both riding pine for the Magic and the Lakers. How is that some guarantee of greatness in the NBA for you?

Curry may end up being a Boobie Gibson clone if he does well for himself, but can't we do better than that?
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3/4/2009  11:33 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Honestly, I like Stephen Curry a lot for this team. Great shot, big moments... what this team needs, even in spite of Curry's flaws

I am with you. I take Stephen Curry and don't even think about it. If we are picking 9 or 10, everyone at that point is a project. Curry is a proven clutch player. He has shown this year that he can be decent at running the point. If our goal is to get Lebron, then Curry would be a solid pg to pair with him.

The two best college shooters in the past five years are both riding pine for the Magic and the Lakers. How is that some guarantee of greatness in the NBA for you?

Curry may end up being a Boobie Gibson clone if he does well for himself, but can't we do better than that?

He's got 5.8 APG in 33.6 minutes in his first season as PG... the team that takes the time to properly groom him to be a point is going to have a good player. Public opinion has Jennings as the best point available, and he has 1.3 APG in 18 minutes... which is probably due to his age. Number two is Jeff Teague, who has 3.2 APG in 32 minutes. Third is Eric Maynor, who has 6.2 in 35.3. Nick Calathes is the dark horse, who I love too, and his numbers are 6.4 APG in 33.2.

My top two choices are Curry and Calathes for point... because I think Stephen Curry will one day be a good distributor with a great shot... and I think Calathes may have a shot to be more than above-average
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3/4/2009  12:07 PM

The two best college shooters in the past five years are both riding pine for the Magic and the Lakers. How is that some guarantee of greatness in the NBA for you?

Curry may end up being a Boobie Gibson clone if he does well for himself, but can't we do better than that?
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He's got 5.8 APG in 33.6 minutes in his first season as PG... the team that takes the time to properly groom him to be a point is going to have a good player. Public opinion has Jennings as the best point available, and he has 1.3 APG in 18 minutes... which is probably due to his age. Number two is Jeff Teague, who has 3.2 APG in 32 minutes. Third is Eric Maynor, who has 6.2 in 35.3. Nick Calathes is the dark horse, who I love too, and his numbers are 6.4 APG in 33.2.

My top two choices are Curry and Calathes for point... because I think Stephen Curry will one day be a good distributor with a great shot... and I think Calathes may have a shot to be more than above-average
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The Euro's don't count assists like we do for one thing. 1.8 is not bad in 18 minutes over there.
Plus, I'm pretty sure you could rack up a ton of assists if you were being triple teamed, right?

I want somebody who is physically dominant either with their speed or their size or both and that has the attitude to change the culture here.

Duhon doesn't seem like he has the fire at times, neither have any of our guards other than Nate since the days of Spree and H2O.

We need a personality and a physical freak that will want to take the game on his shoulders when it's winning time.

Curry can shoot, but Reddick could shoot, and Mr. Mustache could shoot too. That hasn't translated in the NBA due to their lack of athleticism.

I could see taking Calathes late if we're keeping Nate. That would be a huge statement that we're putting the team in Nate's hands. You could have Calathes guard the 2 on the other end and Nate guard the PG.

Taking Calathes #10 would not be correct. We'd have to get a big with the early pick and get another one later to grab Calathes.

I'm tired of this team being rudderless late in games. We need more defined roles, and that won't happen until we have someone who can seriously take the team and drag them to a win. I don't see Curry doing that. He's not Reggie Miller.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/4/2009  12:50 PM
^^^

See, I disagree that Curry is anything like Morrisson or Reddick. Morrisson was a guy who was considered a scorer at the college level. He wasn't a pure shooting talent. Reddick was someone who you could watch and just tell he wasn't going to translate to the NBA. He has a stroke, but compare him to Allan Houston or Ray Allen, and it doesn't add up. You're not making those comparisons with Curry... You're looking to see if he can shoot over other points and if he can play the point guard position. Reddick was never going to be able to handle those duties and Morrisson's technique was never good.

Curry has a sweet looking stroke. He has the athleticism to make a transition to the point guard position. Plus, he's extremely coachable, as his dad was in the NBA. I don't think the Curry/Morrisson/Reddick comparison is fair. I'd say Jameer Nelson is a fairer comparison.
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3/4/2009  1:48 PM
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3/4/2009  2:17 PM
I just don't see it Supreme. I'm watching the Cal-UCLA game right now and there's three PG's on the floor that I'd rather have running the show than Curry.

Curry would have to develop into Kevin Johnson or Kevin Martin to max out for his type of player.

He's been shrinking in big games this year. If he can't get off against Henderson and Nelson, then how's he going to do it in the NBA?
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3/4/2009  2:34 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I just don't see it Supreme. I'm watching the Cal-UCLA game right now and there's three PG's on the floor that I'd rather have running the show than Curry.

Curry would have to develop into Kevin Johnson or Kevin Martin to max out for his type of player.

He's been shrinking in big games this year. If he can't get off against Henderson and Nelson, then how's he going to do it in the NBA?

You have to admit, he's on an awful team. He routinely gets double and triple teamed all game long.

I'm not saying he's the guy we should target, but I'm trying to be objective.
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3/4/2009  2:40 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Honestly, I like Stephen Curry a lot for this team. Great shot, big moments... what this team needs, even in spite of Curry's flaws

I am with you. I take Stephen Curry and don't even think about it. If we are picking 9 or 10, everyone at that point is a project. Curry is a proven clutch player. He has shown this year that he can be decent at running the point. If our goal is to get Lebron, then Curry would be a solid pg to pair with him.

The two best college shooters in the past five years are both riding pine for the Magic and the Lakers. How is that some guarantee of greatness in the NBA for you?

Curry may end up being a Boobie Gibson clone if he does well for himself, but can't we do better than that?

True but NBA draft history is littered with hundreds of great ATHLETES who couldn't cut the mustard as well.

Curry is a bit different from Redick and the Mustache in that the ball will be in his hands and he's an outstanding passer. He's also had great training on having to get his shot off against defenses single mindedly focused on stopping him.

That said - he's certainly not a sure thing because of the issues you and others have noted.

I tend to like him because our system gets defenders off the point guard with the high screen action. With just a bit of daylight Curry can score the ball and if we get him in size mis-matches he might be able to score as well.

I'm not sold on him -- I guess my thinking is that if D'Antoni pushes Walsh to sign him then D'Antoni believes he can be a big tme player for him. If Mike believes it I'm going with him because of how well Duhon has played considering initial expectations.

The kid from Oklahoma (Warren) or Teague from Wake might be better picks. I'm not sure.

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3/4/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I just don't see it Supreme. I'm watching the Cal-UCLA game right now and there's three PG's on the floor that I'd rather have running the show than Curry.

Curry would have to develop into Kevin Johnson or Kevin Martin to max out for his type of player.

He's been shrinking in big games this year. If he can't get off against Henderson and Nelson, then how's he going to do it in the NBA?

I don't want to make it sound like Curry is an obvious pick. Because he isn't. I acknowledge that. And he definitely has some obvious holes in his draft application. All I'm saying is there's a lot of points that fall in drafts because of holes in their game. Rajon Rondo (no shot), Jameer Nelson (size)... guys that have performed on big stages but because points need more seasoning than other positions, they get overlooked. Curry will need more seasoning than those two because of his inexperience running the point... Rightly or wrongly, I see Curry being a more than adequote starter in the NBA a few years down the line, especially if his role is to dribble, distribute, and keep the other team's point from doubling down low.
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3/4/2009  3:06 PM
Curry is the most can't miss player out of all the group of PG. You know he can shoot and you know he can pass. He is the most obvious choice for pg. With the others you are playing with potential and the Knicks aren't good at dealing with potential.
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3/4/2009  3:52 PM
If you havent seen Cole Aldrich--you can see him tonight at 9:30 on ESPN2. I think people will be impressed with him. He's a good player. Consider where we are drafting and how porous this draft is.
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3/4/2009  4:37 PM
Here's a scouting report on your boy Curry

Weaknesses: Far below NBA standard in regard to explosivenes and athleticism ... At 6-2, he's extremely small for the NBA shooting guard position, and it will likely keep him from being much of a defender at the next level ... Although he's playing point guard this year, he's not a natural point guard that an NBA team can rely on to run a team ... Struggles defensively getting around screens ... Can overshoot and rush into shots from time to time (vs. WV) ... Hasn't had to deal with getting benched due to poor performance (shooting) which has allowed him to shoot through any slumps. Will have to adjust to not being a volume shooter which could have an effect on his effectiveness ... Doesn’t like when defenses are too physical with him ... Not a great finisher around the basket due to his size and physical attributes ... Makes some silly mistakes at the PG position. Needs to add some muscles to his upper body, but appears as though he'll always be skinny ...
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3/4/2009  4:47 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here's a scouting report on your boy Curry

Weaknesses: Far below NBA standard in regard to explosivenes and athleticism ... At 6-2, he's extremely small for the NBA shooting guard position, and it will likely keep him from being much of a defender at the next level ... Although he's playing point guard this year, he's not a natural point guard that an NBA team can rely on to run a team ... Struggles defensively getting around screens ... Can overshoot and rush into shots from time to time (vs. WV) ... Hasn't had to deal with getting benched due to poor performance (shooting) which has allowed him to shoot through any slumps. Will have to adjust to not being a volume shooter which could have an effect on his effectiveness ... Doesn’t like when defenses are too physical with him ... Not a great finisher around the basket due to his size and physical attributes ... Makes some silly mistakes at the PG position. Needs to add some muscles to his upper body, but appears as though he'll always be skinny ...


Its pretty obvious his positives out weigh his negatives.
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3/4/2009  5:06 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here's a scouting report on your boy Curry

Weaknesses: Far below NBA standard in regard to explosivenes and athleticism ... At 6-2, he's extremely small for the NBA shooting guard position, and it will likely keep him from being much of a defender at the next level ... Although he's playing point guard this year, he's not a natural point guard that an NBA team can rely on to run a team ... Struggles defensively getting around screens ... Can overshoot and rush into shots from time to time (vs. WV) ... Hasn't had to deal with getting benched due to poor performance (shooting) which has allowed him to shoot through any slumps. Will have to adjust to not being a volume shooter which could have an effect on his effectiveness ... Doesn’t like when defenses are too physical with him ... Not a great finisher around the basket due to his size and physical attributes ... Makes some silly mistakes at the PG position. Needs to add some muscles to his upper body, but appears as though he'll always be skinny ...


Its pretty obvious his positives out weigh his negatives.

There are some red flags in that scouting report. NBA is a man's league.
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3/4/2009  5:07 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If you havent seen Cole Aldrich--you can see him tonight at 9:30 on ESPN2. I think people will be impressed with him. He's a good player. Consider where we are drafting and how porous this draft is.

Sucks that we cant package this pick along with Jefferies and say one of our expirings.

I'd do it in a heartbeat. This draft is soggy as hell.
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3/4/2009  5:08 PM
If we sign Curry and it's not because we have traded down in the draft it will be an unmitigated disaster. People will start chanting to get Isiah back.

Dude is tiny, his dad was tiny, he can't drive it, can't finish... The Knicks need a huge impact guy with a huge upside, like and Evans, Mullens or Warren.

Has to be a major stud of a player. Curry wouldn't make it through practice with this team.


Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/4/2009  5:32 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here's a scouting report on your boy Curry

Weaknesses: Far below NBA standard in regard to explosivenes and athleticism ... At 6-2, he's extremely small for the NBA shooting guard position, and it will likely keep him from being much of a defender at the next level ... Although he's playing point guard this year, he's not a natural point guard that an NBA team can rely on to run a team ... Struggles defensively getting around screens ... Can overshoot and rush into shots from time to time (vs. WV) ... Hasn't had to deal with getting benched due to poor performance (shooting) which has allowed him to shoot through any slumps. Will have to adjust to not being a volume shooter which could have an effect on his effectiveness ... Doesn’t like when defenses are too physical with him ... Not a great finisher around the basket due to his size and physical attributes ... Makes some silly mistakes at the PG position. Needs to add some muscles to his upper body, but appears as though he'll always be skinny ...


Its pretty obvious his positives out weigh his negatives.

There are some red flags in that scouting report. NBA is a man's league.

Man's league if that was the case there wouldn't be pgs like AI, Boykins, Spud Webb, Nate Robinson, TJ Ford, Augustine, BJ Armstrong, Murice Cheeks, these guys are not the biggest. You don't have to be the biggest at the pg position to make things happen. Curry would make things happen for the Knicks, He can shoot it and he has good passing skills. This guy has the ball in his hands and is asked to deliver every game. His defense is vastly underrated by some of you guys he almost had a triple double to start the season with 10 assist and 9 steals in a game. He avrages 2.6 steals a game. I would simply draft him based on his offensive capabilities and his blood line helps too.



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3/4/2009  6:01 PM
BJ Armstrong was a three-point specialist.

A.I and Nate Robinson both have football backgrounds and are tough as shyt. They're short, but they play like 6'5 badasses.

Spud Webb was an athletic freak show. Boykins was too, although he was too short to have any significant impact. Ford is always one hit away from being in traction it seems. All had to overcome MAJOR hurdles.

Steven Curry, mind you, is a 6'2 off guard. He doesnt even play the point, where his size is a little less relevant. And he is a finesse player at that. No hops and questionable toughness.

Eh. Tough sell.
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3/4/2009  6:46 PM
AI, Nate, Ford and Augustine are tough nosed players. They would take that shrimp out in the alley and make him cry for daddy Del.

Guy's going to be a role player if he's lucky.

We need to get more than that from our pick. We don't have one in 2010
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